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ET: You missed the bits where I called for a vig shot on Zealos N1 and then spent the middle of day 2 trying to persuade Probulous that Zealos was the best lynch.
On day 1, I backed off Sinensis when you reminded me of one of his other games and went looking for better lynches. I decided on Zealos after a re-read of his MTG filter. That was before Wiggles picked his lynch.
VE was a tough one for me because parts of his filter gave me a gut town read but there were so many scummy aspects of his play. I tried too hard to rationalise that, thinking that all the veterans on VE collectively knew better than me. If I had self-confidence I'd play this game more rather than watching it.
I made the post asking people to move non-VE votes to Zealos because that's what I wanted. I was seriously tempted to push for a vote switch to Zealos at points near the end, but with the votes spread as they were it would have just led to a no-lynch. Even with my late doubts, I never felt that a no-lynch was preferable to a VE lynch.
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On June 01 2012 11:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
No one had confidence in a VE lynch except MZ and kita, from what I can recall.
MZ because he was the originator of the case and kita cause he's scum.
Yeah, reading back I didn't even sheep correctly. I counted Supersoft and Toad, but Supersoft was an error as he wanted to let VE live despite marking him in red. I probably shouldn't have counted Toad due to the Toad/VE antipathy and the masoning with MZ, but he sounded pretty sure about the meta thing. I had you marked in my head as the lone dissenting veteran.
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"Mason Recruiter" wasn't the actual name of Toad's role, IIRC. He was just a mason, who recruited. Gambit's use of capitals suggests that he thought it was an actual role name. My theory is that Gambit has played mafia somewhere else where "Mason Recruiter" was a common role, and jumped to the conclusion that this was Toad's role. Besides, he doesn't seem to be 100% dumb so he should have claimed by now.
Re-reading Mattchew and BH, but my initial feeling is that I don't want to kill BH anymore and Mattchew's way below Kita and Gambit. Hopefully we have a vig left, because I really don't want to see Gambit still here tomorrow if he's not going to talk.
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BH didn't swap a bomb onto Gambit? 
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My guess:
BH places bombs on Grush and SnB on night 1.
Mafia roleblocks BH.
Mafia shoots BH, Supersoft and Mattchew.
Supersoft jails WBG.
On June 02 2012 08:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
good news: we can kill those people who liked SnB for scum but didn't like Zealos.
Bad news: The only ones I found so far are BH and Mattchew.
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On June 02 2012 09:15 jaj22 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 08:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
good news: we can kill those people who liked SnB for scum but didn't like Zealos. Bad news: The only ones I found so far are BH and Mattchew.
Scratch that. Kita had SnB as his preferred day 1 lynch and still had him in his scum list on day 2. Zealos doesn't figure.
Probulous marginally matches the description (attacked SnB a bit, pushed Hyaach over Zealos) but he's probably town.
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On June 03 2012 03:11 kitaman27 wrote:
Nobody concerned with the complete thread silence?
The story of this game is that the people who need to post, don't post. The following players all need to post more:
Hassybaby
MajuGarzett
SToFu
papapanda
Ange777
Manason
At this rate you're going to end up in LYLO together with bugger all information to work with. If you can't think what to post about:
1. Read Kitaman and Wiggles' filters. Post concrete opinions on them. If anyone's up for lynch and you don't post a considered opinion on them, you've neglected your duty as a townie.
2. Read some other filters. Find something odd/scummy (plenty of that around), post about it.
Special mention to Hassybaby because his filter is worthless and he should know better.
Views on today's lynch to follow.
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Yo Wiggles:
On June 03 2012 05:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Now, what "strong anti-zealos movement" are you talking about? There wasn't a strong movement against him, so much as 3 or 4 people commenting on him near the deadline. Additionally, the actual case on zealos by forumite didn't even come until 30 minutes after the deadline, whereas I had sent in my choice for lynch 5 or so minutes before the deadline.
Were you required to put your lynch choice in before the deadline? Did you have an opportunity to change it after the deadline?
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I checked up a couple of older games and mayoral candidates were expected to submit their lynch choice by the deadline, although BC managed to dodge that by quarter of an hour in L.
Worth a try:
By what time were mayoral candidates expected to submit their lynch choice?
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I dunno. Chance of Gambit being town, coincidentally showing up 5min before the deadline to dodge the modkill, and then running for the hills? Is that really lower than the chance that Kita is town?
I'm building up some pretty good evidence on Kita but I'm still not sure that we shouldn't just kill Gambit first.
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EBWOP: Is that really higher than the chance that Kita is town?
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I guess I'll post my stuff on Kita even though I'm still not sure whether to vote him over Gambit:
The Zealos connection:
This bit's mostly a rehash of an earlier post of mine.
On May 30 2012 04:46 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 03:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
¿Kita what do you think of Zealos sir? ¡I'll respond in a bit!
Two points here: Firstly, Kita acknowledges the breadcrumb, which would explain why VE was roleblocked. Secondly, Kita never actually responds. He takes the time to dig up an upside down exclamation mark, but he doesn't spend the two minutes it takes to read Zealos's filter? Not much excuse here.
On May 30 2012 14:55 kitaman27 wrote:
Hassybaby has not shared his opinion on a single player this game. I'd like to request a large post from him within the next 24 hours or he should be strongly considered as a vig target tommorrow night. Zealos has disappeared. As a lynch candidate, he needs to be extremely active today if he hopes to stay out of trouble. marvellosity's filter is far too safe for my liking.
Midway through day 2, Kita's sole comment about Zealos until his post-lynch troll. Note also the poke at Marvellosity, who had a strong meta-read on Zealos after nailing him in MTG.
Next one spoilered for length:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 11:35 kitaman27 wrote:
Your post doesn't have a conclusion prob. I assumed lynchers know their target because it would be an imbalanced role otherwise. I've never played in a game where a player's win condition is to lynch an unknown target.
I find the following players scummy and have listed them in the preference of lynching order.
VisceraEyes: case stated earlier
sToFu: Apologetic, lacks town tells
Mr. Wiggles: Band-wagoning, play has completely dropped off as promising to be a leader
strongandbig: stated ealier
Hassybaby: Active lurker. Refusing to contribute even after people have complained about his apathy.
I find the following having contributed little to nothing in the thread. I'd like each of them to comment about the above five names or bring up something meaningful to show that they care about showing that they are town. Otherwise, they should all be considered for vig shots.
Manason
GambitX32
Cwave
Hassybaby
Kenpachi
phagga
Hyaach
sToFu
Kita manages to make a scum + lurker list that doesn't include Zealos. Funny, given that he previously listed Zealos as a lynch candidate who needs to post more. Actually I'm not sure how he made this mistake even as scum.
From Kita's case on Wiggles:
On June 02 2012 11:52 kitaman27 wrote:
However, his only legitimate opponent, EchelonTee, has expressed suspicion of Zealos and a strong anti-Zealos movement has started to gain strength hours before the deadline.
Kitaman posted during the period when Zealos was under discussion, but only commented on Sinensis, SnB and Manason as lynch candidates himself.
Attacking Wiggles:
There's not much wrong with the case on Wiggles apart from the exaggeration of the Zealos push. What's really wrong here is that Kita is pushing a Wiggles lynch when we're on the KP margin and Gambit is 99% claimed scum. If Kita is town, the obvious thing to do given the current votes is to push hard for a Gambit lynch.
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On June 03 2012 17:22 Probulous wrote:
I agree with lynching Gambit first as long as Kita swings tomorrow. I think the only going for Gambit is that he might be two minutes too late this time and get himself modkilled. It is kind of sad when the most townie you can do is to die.
Yeah, I was thinking that the optimal plan would be to set up a close vote for Kita, and then jump on Gambit if he dares to ninja again. However, it's too risky (chance of accidental no-lynch) if we don't have nearly everyone on either Kita or Gambit. Currently Hassybaby, Gambit (lol), SToFu and MZ haven't voted, Kita is voting for Wiggles and Manason has a (deliberately?) malformatted vote.
I suppose we could take the chance that Gambit has got bored with waiting to ninja or forgets the deadline entirely. Not sure if that's worth the (increasingly small) risk that Kita is town.
Voting for Gambit unless there are signs of... increased participation. I'll be around for the deadline.
btw the day post in the voting thread is wrong: There are only 19 players left, 18 after Ange.
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@Hassybaby: How did you manage to get through day 3 without giving any opinion on Kitaman? You also voted for Zealos without giving an opinion on him. Your filter hurts me.
Manason is looking like a good third lynch now that he's degenerated from terrible posting to no posting. His "lazy newb" excuse doesn't hold up given the current glacial pace of the thread.
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@GambitX32: What's your role and character name?
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You're not suspicious of Kitaman at all then?
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Sweet. I guess that explains why Kita was so keen on keeping Gambit alive.
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Yeah, nice day 2 trick. I had you as #1 for a bit but in the end I decided that Austin was more likely. Should have stuck with the conspiracy theories.
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