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Doesn't that make VE's roleblock + Forumite doublestack claim a bit suspicious? Doublestacking doesn't seem a likely option given the state of the town. What if VE was carrying out a nightkill and needed to seed an excuse? | ||
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On May 30 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh I see what you're saying - because "my kill" didn't go through so your thought is I could be pushing "Forumite doublestacked" as a smokescreen or something. Is that what you mean? Yeah, that. Theory rendered obsolete by MZ's hit-claim anyway. Also my pass through Forumite's filter is now less relevant. Scum reads on Zealos and Manason. Town reads on Supersoft, ET, Wiggles. Doesn't have so much weight if he wasn't doublestacked. On May 30 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, cool...Toad town... ......but why? Why would scum leave a soon-to-be-confirmed-town alive? Medic fear, I guess. | ||
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##vote GambitX32 Either that or Zealos, but he's got some activity excuse until the second half of day 2 so there's not much point in prodding him. I'd love to find active scum but I'm not even convinced that there are any. | ||
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To complete the nightkill list, MZ's public scumreads were Kitaman and Mattchew. | ||
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On May 31 2012 06:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Its not enough to hang Mr MZ that's that I'm saying...you are jumping to conclusions based on a preconceived notion that I'm scum which is absolutely false. You said it yourself when you went to filter me I was already "looking bad". Are you even trying to see a townVE motivation at ALL? Now who is the lazy townie? Ok, help us out here. What's the townVE motivation for asking Wiggles to seriously consider lynching Toad? | ||
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On May 31 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't think that's anti-town at all, I think that's having an opinion on the only thing I have any kind of control over, the lynch/election. But a lot of your mud-flinging at Toad was long after his chances at election had gone. He only ever got one vote other than himself. Forumite was a more popular candidate. | ||
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On May 31 2012 07:58 supersoft wrote: But if VE is scum. Why is he interested that Toad isn't elected... Is it because the scumteam already had a candidate running for office? WIGGLES? is that thought too complicated? Given how hard VE has spammed on day 2, it's possible that he was just spamming on any workable topic rather than with a particular agenda. I'm not liking Wiggles much atm though. Too few posts, too carefully written. | ||
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On May 31 2012 08:48 Probulous wrote: Can someone link me the case against Zealos. He looks like an overwhelmed newb to me  Zealos isn't that new. I believe he has four games now, at least two as scum. His town performance in GoT wasn't bad at all, and certainly didn't give the impression of being overwhelmed. Forumite's case against him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14866065 Since then he's managed a few bad excuses and that's it. It's not a great case, but I don't think we have anything better. | ||
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The day 1 vote for MZ sticks out so far that it feels too scummy to be scum, much like his call for a no-vote. Then on day 2 he casts doubt on MZ's hit claim with some paranoid WIFOM speed-typed from his phone. Follows up with a 180 on Wiggles that's not too unreasonable. Reads as paranoid loner newb townie to me. If he's got a team, they're letting him do some very odd stuff. Also I voted (for Gambit) in the wrong thread yesterday. Switching to Zealos for now because his response today is terrible. ##vote Zealos | ||
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On May 31 2012 10:39 Probulous wrote: So you think he is town because he acting like scum? I'm saying that scum normally make some effort not to have an entire filter full of weird stuff. The town explanation for his posts seems more plausible to me. On Zealos, I agree it's possible that he's just busy. His claim is that he has a lot more free time now, so we'll see if he manages to post something that looks town before the lynch. In that case I'd probably switch to Gambit rather than Hyaach though. Cwave and phagga are lined up for modkills due to not voting on day 1, so there's not much point lynching them. What's this evidence of Hyaach's motivations? | ||
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On May 31 2012 11:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Your case is terrible MZ. I've told you why - because you're jumping to conclusions about my intentions without considering town motivations for the things you're accusing me of. Meh. The only town motivation I can construct for your filter is that: 1. You're obsessed with Toad and 2. You just fucking love posting. Waiting for MZ case part 2. | ||
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On May 31 2012 14:11 Probulous wrote: Do you think VE actually wanted to get Toad lynched. He is clearly focused on him but I fail to see the upside for mafia. No-one is going to lynch Toad so why bangd on about it? To hide in plain sight? Ok, here's my theory. Toad had a small range of likely mason targets given his intention to mason someone he thought was town, the narrow activity band and the scum reads he'd provided. I think scum were hoping to hit Toad's mason target, and they had roughly a 50/50 shot. So a scumVE's agenda here would be: 1. Jam up the thread on day 1 by throwing shit at Toad. 2. Kill Toad's mason target. 3. Jam up the thread on day 2 by throwing shit at Toad. Note that VE didn't want Toad to call his target at the deadline. Might just be bad blue logic (Forumite had the same view), might be agenda. If VE thought Toad was third party, like he claimed, he should have been pushing for a target call. On May 31 2012 22:48 austinmcc wrote: As far as VE's vig claim goes, I'm not terribly inclined to believe it given his posts concerning zealos today and the breadcrumb. But it feels like between the possibility of jailers and roleblockers, a single roleblock claim (assuming we think VE is lying about the roleblock) is a little light? Maybe someone roleblocked a lurker thinking blue, and they haven't checked in to notice they were blocked or claimed, but that's my only real misgiving about a VE lynch at this point. It's common for scum to not use their roleblocker and claim it themselves if they don't have a good target. It's particularly useful if you're considering a fakeclaim. On the general issues surrounding VE: VE's blue claim is bad (surely an upside-down question mark is a DT breadcrumb...? No character name breadcrumb?), but it's not an alignment tell given that his blue claims are universally awful. VE's case on Kitaman is awful. The meta part is cherrypicked, and the lyncher part is a bloody great straw man borrowed from Probulous. The let-VE-shoot plan is probably bad. Vigs don't necessarily keep their shot on a roleblock, we may not have a watcher, the watcher may not be awake, and the watcher would have to claim to lynch VE. Even if VE is vig and shoots, scum might be fine with letting him shoot into town. MZ's case on VE is good. My only remaining doubt is WBG's point: VE can play very strangely as town. VE also deliberately changes his style from game to game, so I don't normally bother trying to meta-read him. Overall though, I think if VE was town, he'd be more productive than he's been this game, given that he's playing a style that looks helpful on the surface. There's just too high a proportion of spam, buddying and mud-flinging, and too little genuine pressure or analysis. ##Vote VisceraEyes | ||
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And yeah, I'm having doubts myself about VE. A lot of his filter looks quite town, even if it's spammy unfocused town. And we'll have to start killing lurkers sometime. If we can't confirm VE one way or another on day 3 it's going to be horrible though. | ||
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On June 01 2012 06:41 marvellosity wrote: I just don't understand the mentality of those who aren't sure, but they go for it anyway even though it could mean lynching a veteran scumhunter vigilante The veteran scumhunter bit doesn't do much for me, given VE's recent performances and what he's done in this game. If anything, the drop in spam should lead to an increase in thread quality. Personally I don't have any trouble keeping up with the thread and so I'd rather get rid of some lurkers, but there are a lot of players already using the page count as an excuse, and they have a point. The vigilante bit is weak because his claim is bad and VE absolutely would claim blue as scum. As scum, he wriggles hard on the hook. There's also the probability point that the roleblocker "just happened" to pick him out. Does VE look blue to you this game? Sure, we lose more if he's town, but if anything, the claim lessens the chance that he's town. It's also tough to prove, so there's the danger that we end up in the same position tomorrow. | ||
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On June 01 2012 07:52 Probulous wrote: No-one has been able to answer this for me. I tried actually. Top of this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14899461 | ||
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I wanna kill BH for lurking the run-up and then trying to cause a no-lynch. I wanna kill Mattchew for leaving his vote somewhere useless and then showing up immediately after the deadline. | ||
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I guess Kita had the most reason to spot the breadcrumb?  Despite that, Kita never gives an opinion on Zealos apart from: On May 30 2012 14:55 kitaman27 wrote: Hassybaby has not shared his opinion on a single player this game. I'd like to request a large post from him within the next 24 hours or he should be strongly considered as a vig target tommorrow night. Zealos has disappeared. As a lynch candidate, he needs to be extremely active today if he hopes to stay out of trouble. marvellosity's filter is far too safe for my liking. Zealos also evades his lurker/suspicious list without explanation. Along with Mattchew. | ||
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Ok, Kita's list header is "I find the following having contributed little to nothing in the thread." What had you contributed at that point? You lurked right up to the daypost, came out with a dumb plan that was more likely to "catch" town than scum, and then tunnelled strongandbig all day, apparently without even looking at his filter. | ||
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