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On June 08 2012 10:15 Probulous wrote:
I agree with Toad's reads. I find Hyaach scummy because he has been focusing on stuff that makes zero sense. Austin at least went back and re-evaluated (he looks pretty townie to me). Kenpachi has actively pushed Kita without explaining the MZ link despite being asked multiple times.
I would suggest Maju->Kenpachi->Hyaach->Papapanda
It doesn't really matter because that is my take on the scum team and they all need to be lynched.
Yeah, I went over Hyaach today and I found where my soft town-read on him came from - plenty of his page 1 seems pretty decent. Unfortunately he also has a page 2 and a page 3. These pages are filled with aggressively pushed conspiracies (seemingly using the probably more well-meaning austin as a foil), casting suspicion around needlessly. This has also led to him shitting up the thread by arguing, using the same rehashed points, with people like MZ/Toad over and over.
It's the last bit that makes it worse. Basically he ignores whatever people are talking about to him to just continue making the same posts. Toad isn't always the clearest dude around to me, but it got to the point where even I was like, for fuck's sake, he's said multiple times who he masoned, when and why he said it. Not reading thread.
My feeling last night that this was a cover for not doing actual scumhunting is confirmed. It's also a pretty strong mafia heuristic that scum start off the game usefully enough, but tail off in their usefulness/relevance as the game goes on, and that's also the case here.
Scum.
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This leaves scum #4. Logic tells me it should be Kenpachi. He obstinately pushes kitaman over and over. He never addresses how MZ fits into the kitaman-sure-fire-scum scenario. He basically doesn't read the fucking thread. He calls Wiggles useless but he's been exactly the same - his blind-pushing of kita meant he did nothing else for days. I just can't make myself be as sure as I want about it though :/ He called out papapanda super early and I agree completely with it. I just can't quite pick out how important it is. And it's Kenpachi.
Wiggles has the green check. ET's right though, the chance he was framed or godfather is high enough that it can't and shouldn't be blindly accepted. I defended Wiggles on Liar meta earlier, but it's like we're always waiting for him to post significantly, but when he does post, it leaves you wanting more. Somewhat speculatively, it seems like his defence of Manason could have come from the privileged position of prior knowledge of his alignment.
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Yes Im implying if Maju flips scum wiggles is town.
and i know my case on MZ/Kita is not played out well but Toad refusing to answer me his mason target got me suspicious of his alignment. Note I asked on day 2. I asked on day 3. He answer only on day 4 when both have already died.
Then Austinmcc came up with the theory and it looked like it clicked with my suspicions of toad so i went ahead with the theory and pushing it hard. If I was mafia, Not pushing that case would have easily allowed me to survive today where it is lylo.
Disregarding my kita/mz case, do you have a scum read on me?
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On June 08 2012 19:53 Hyaach wrote:
Yes Im implying if Maju flips scum wiggles is town.
and i know my case on MZ/Kita is not played out well but Toad refusing to answer me his mason target got me suspicious of his alignment. Note I asked on day 2. I asked on day 3. He answer only on day 4 when both have already died.
Then Austinmcc came up with the theory and it looked like it clicked with my suspicions of toad so i went ahead with the theory and pushing it hard. If I was mafia, Not pushing that case would have easily allowed me to survive today where it is lylo.
Disregarding my kita/mz case, do you have a scum read on me?
If I disregarded this, you wouldn't have posted in a week, that's the point... everything from the way you pushed it, didn't read replies, repeated yourself is scummy.
Who do YOU think are scum then?
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That's true too haha.
On June 08 2012 02:06 Hyaach wrote:Before I go to bed, i was initially suspicious of Wiggles for his absence and just popping in at the right time jump on the ship that has just sailed off. But his case on Maju over Manason made me thought different. His town to me right now Papapanda has no stance to take. He FoS me and phagg over Zealos to create a distraction. Granted we were all lurking but why us over Zealos when the attention on Zealos was heating up? And we know phagg and zealos flipped out to be. his vig proofing plan is flawed. Why waste a block at night to confirm a vig? just shoot the scummiest person alived. Then he soft-defending wiggles against SS. VE's mess came up and he scream to vote wiggles what Papa does 24 hour later after soft defending wiggles? he spread a little shadow over wiggles but never voted for him but for VE? Why? so he can backtrack if somehow VE crawled himself out of the mess and attention went on wiggles? Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 06:43 papapanda wrote:
Both you and I have read MZ's cases, as well as other posts, can we agree that his points are valid?
However as I was reading it, I was, using your term, on the fence for VE's lynch.
What I didn't like was how he responded to the pressure. He claimed vig, one the the toughest role to prove at this stage of the game. Ofcourse it's possible he is vig, and what ticked for me was what he said about if he was the mafia leader, the mafia would try more to save him...(can't find the post, but I'm pretty certain that I read it today). Wifom doesn't work as defenses...(learned that the hard way last game, marvellosity;p).
[b]Anyhow, my point is I find VE scummy and people trying to spread the vote are also worth looking at(hi kenpachi). and yet he was trying to spread it just minutes ago. Scum just goes with the flow and often does not have a train of thought. After that it was bandwagons and more rope throwing so he could back track if need be. Show nested quote +[B]On June 06 2012 15:21 papapanda wrote:
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Regarding current vote:
Consider my vote on kita right now. I like the plan to switch to votes mana if no other medic claim.
basically his fine with whoever as long as its not him.
Papa and Maju. Rather Lynch Papa first. about the last two.
I have no idea but I would not cross hassybaby out from the suspect list.
People had been urging him to post thus framing him everynight wouldn't seem like a bad thing or he could be GF
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On June 08 2012 10:47 Kenpachi wrote:
I personally wouldnt be surprised in wiggles or toad were mafia
is that you claiming mafia?
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On June 08 2012 20:43 Hyaach wrote:That's true too haha. Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 02:06 Hyaach wrote:Before I go to bed, i was initially suspicious of Wiggles for his absence and just popping in at the right time jump on the ship that has just sailed off. But his case on Maju over Manason made me thought different. His town to me right now Papapanda has no stance to take. He FoS me and phagg over Zealos to create a distraction. Granted we were all lurking but why us over Zealos when the attention on Zealos was heating up? And we know phagg and zealos flipped out to be. his vig proofing plan is flawed. Why waste a block at night to confirm a vig? just shoot the scummiest person alived. Then he soft-defending wiggles against SS. VE's mess came up and he scream to vote wiggles what Papa does 24 hour later after soft defending wiggles? he spread a little shadow over wiggles but never voted for him but for VE? Why? so he can backtrack if somehow VE crawled himself out of the mess and attention went on wiggles? On June 01 2012 06:43 papapanda wrote:
Both you and I have read MZ's cases, as well as other posts, can we agree that his points are valid?
However as I was reading it, I was, using your term, on the fence for VE's lynch.
What I didn't like was how he responded to the pressure. He claimed vig, one the the toughest role to prove at this stage of the game. Ofcourse it's possible he is vig, and what ticked for me was what he said about if he was the mafia leader, the mafia would try more to save him...(can't find the post, but I'm pretty certain that I read it today). Wifom doesn't work as defenses...(learned that the hard way last game, marvellosity;p).
Anyhow, my point is I find VE scummy and people trying to spread the vote are also worth looking at(hi kenpachi). and yet he was trying to spread it just minutes ago. Scum just goes with the flow and often does not have a train of thought. After that it was bandwagons and more rope throwing so he could back track if need be. [B]On June 06 2012 15:21 papapanda wrote:
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Regarding current vote:
Consider my vote on kita right now. I like the plan to switch to votes mana if no other medic claim.
basically his fine with whoever as long as its not him. Papa and Maju. Rather Lynch Papa first. about the last two. [b]I have no idea but I would not cross hassybaby out from the suspect list. People had been urging him to post thus framing him everynight wouldn't seem like a bad thing or he could be GF
More didn't read thread. He's dead. Scum.
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EBWOP: ugh formatting. Meant to have bold on the Hassy line.
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Also noone is lynching wiggles. EVERYONE and their mother wanted to kill manason last cycle and I tried to get people off mana 5 hours prior to deadline to get people on maju instead. We needed 8 people on him to kill him but wiggles was one of them and with him we had like 5 votes. That could have happened. I don't care for the green check at all because if Wiggles is mafia he's godfather, both because he's vet and some hosts like to make it that way and because he rand for mayor.
That green check is totally wayne. Wiggles looks good for his actions although you apparently have to force him to do something, but that's the same with me 
Will be reading in a couple of hours, have to go now.
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i read the first page.
On May 10 2012 01:40 GreYMisT wrote:Mod MessagesPlayer List1. Mattchew, The earthling was killed night 22. Blazinghand as Lard Nar, Leader of the Resisty (Mad Hatter), was killed night 23. Hassybaby4. Zealos as Invader Spleen (Mafia Goon) was modkilled day 25. phagga the earthling was modkilled day 26. Hyaach7. marvellosity8. grush57, The earthling was killed night 29. Cwave The earthling was modkilled day 210. austinmcc11. GambitX32as GIR (roleblocker) was lynched day 3!12. MajuGarzett13. MidnightGladius Replaced by Probulous14. Toadesstern15. Supersoft as Ms. Bitters (Jailer) was killed night 216. sToFu, The earthling, was modkilled day 317. Sinensis, The Earthling, was lynched Day 118. papapanda19. jaj22The Earthling, was killed night 320. Ange777, The earthling, was modkilled day 321. Wherebugsgo, The earthling, was killed day 322. Mr. Wiggles23. Forumite as Tak (Assassin), was killed night 124. Manason, The Earthling, was lynched day 425. strongandbig, The earthling was killed night 226. EchelonTee27. kitaman2728. VisceraEyes as Gaz (Vigilante), was lynched day 229. Meapak_Ziphh30. KenpachiReplacements1. 2. 3. 4. Players Remaining: 13/30
Irkens Remaining: 4/6
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Reading the first page isn't reading the thread. And even if you were reading the first page observantly you would have noticed Night 4 kills are not there.
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if i was mafia and so active yesterday. Would i not have known that i killed hassybaby?
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On June 08 2012 20:52 Hyaach wrote:
if i was mafia and so active yesterday. Would i not have known that i killed hassybaby?
so what?
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so why would i place my FoS on him?
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On June 08 2012 20:56 Hyaach wrote:
so why would i place my FoS on him?
because saying "sup, Hassy is not going to survive this night" is not exactly a good idea either if you know that he's going to die.
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Toad you do know hassy is dead already too right?
can i use marvellosity's not reading the thread on you then?
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On June 08 2012 20:59 Hyaach wrote:
Toad you do know hassy is dead already too right?
can i use marvellosity's not reading the thread on you then?
I know he's dead. That's the point.
1) FoS'ing hassy is np because there's other people who said he's looking weird
2) It's a nulltell but people might think it's a "not-mafia"-tell because he died after you fos'ed him
3) Fosing him is a nulltell. Not fusing him is a nulltell. Saying he'll die is a mafia tell
There's some options you can choose and you went with one that tells us nothing about your alignment. Just tell me my mafia would NOT want to fos hassy in your situation? Something incredible bad that could happen out of fossing hassy while shooting him?
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On June 08 2012 21:05 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 20:59 Hyaach wrote:
Toad you do know hassy is dead already too right?
can i use marvellosity's not reading the thread on you then? I know he's dead. That's the point. 1) FoS'ing hassy is np because there's other people who said he's looking weird 2) It's a nulltell but people might think it's a "not-mafia"-tell because he died after you fos'ed him 3) Fosing him is a nulltell. Not fusing him is a nulltell. Saying he'll die is a mafia tell There's some options you can choose and you went with one that tells us nothing about your alignment. Just tell me why mafia would NOT want to fos hassy in your situation? Something incredible bad that could happen out of fossing hassy while shooting him?
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On June 08 2012 21:06 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 21:05 Toadesstern wrote:On June 08 2012 20:59 Hyaach wrote:
Toad you do know hassy is dead already too right?
can i use marvellosity's not reading the thread on you then? I know he's dead. That's the point. 1) FoS'ing hassy is np because there's other people who said he's looking weird 2) It's a nulltell but people might think it's a "not-mafia"-tell because he died after you fos'ed him 3) Fosing him is a nulltell. Not fusing him is a nulltell. Saying he'll die is a mafia tell There's some options you can choose and you went with one that tells us nothing about your alignment. Just tell me why mafia would NOT want to fos hassy in your situation? Something incredible bad that could happen out of fossing hassy while shooting him? EBWOP
Toad, he FoS Hassy AFTER hassy died
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EBWOP: as in, further up this page
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OH lol. Should not have got in here posting before reading :p
Will be reading in a couple of hours, have to go now.
Anyways. Still not really a tell at all. see you guys later
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