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EchelonTee

United States5256 Posts

June 17 2012 12:37 GMT

#3079

Did marv scum slip anywhere or was this godly scum play? :o

My play was mediocre. I think running for election was good, but I didn't re-read into VE enough. Feel pretty bad about that. I also didn't do enough re-reading in the end of the game, as I felt like the game was pretty much down to a luck game. If I had re-read I might've seen Hyaach as town, but then I probably would've advocated a Kenpachi lynch.

Stellar play from marv, my god.

EchelonTee

United States5256 Posts

June 17 2012 13:02 GMT

#3083

On June 17 2012 21:46 marvellosity wrote:
ET: your play wasn't mediocre. You very successfully removed yourself from the pool of scum candidates by appearing blatantly town to everyone (along with me...). As you just posted in your newbie game write up, looking and being townie is one of townie's most important jobs.

Yeah I suppose, I've just kind of hit a roadblock in my town play where I'm not getting mislynched any time soon, but my reads need to be better. In fact, I think in every town game I've played, my initial read was always wrong, this game being SnB -.-

Yeah toad you're right. I think the impetus was on the townies to work harder at looking more townie, so we would have a chance at smoking out marv. Having to pick between between several scummy lurkers was pain staking, which is why I was continually suspicious of the vets. I kept on thinking "there is no way this giant pack of scummy lurkers are all scum, there must be manipulation somewhere". First I thought VE, then MZ, but it ended up being marv :o

EchelonTee

United States5256 Posts

June 19 2012 01:12 GMT

#3132

I just remembered that we had like a kajillion replacements and modkills, but the game was still really intense and close fought! Isn't that kind of crazy. And also the 5townie death night on D2. The game could've been a stompfest, but it was fun.

Thanks for hosting Greymist and sloosh, it turned out pretty kewl~

EchelonTee

United States5256 Posts

June 19 2012 01:31 GMT

#3136

Hmmm.... it's a tough egg because different newbie townies come in different flavors.

You have the flavor of posters who have really bad ideas. These are the ones who come up with weird plans, really bad claims, or outlandish cases. Here is a good example of this type:

+ Show Spoiler +

Hi everybody! Im the friendly neighbourhood gum on your shoe! Today I come to you with a plan that'll hopefully shed some light on the certainly vile nature of the scum infesting our sacred house...OF GAMBLING! The plan is a simple anonymous poll asking wether your a townie or a scumie. Now in the case of the townie there is no risk whatsoever in voting townie, on acounta a) you are a townie and b) no one can say otherwise cause your voting anonymously. In fact I very much so ask that you don't say which one your voting for or wether or not your even voting at all. All I ask is that if you're a townie vote townie, or don't vote, please don't troll and say your mafia I REPEAT NO TOWNIES VOTE MAFIA, IT SHALL BE THE END OF US ALL!!!!!! This only works if all the townies voting vote townie so please do so if your a townie. If your mafia feel free to vote as well, in fact the whole purpose of this exercise is to see if you as a group abstain from voting, vote as you please, or all vote townie. This is an experiment to study the mafia and I promise to only do this once, so whata ya say newcomers! Watcha gonna be? I'd just likely to repeat one last time there is ABSOLUTELY no way I or anyone else can ascertain your alignment through this vote, so please give it a shot, it might very well teach us something useful.

Poll: Anonymous vote: are YOU mafia?

Mafioso (20)

77%

Townie (6)

23%

26 total votes

Your vote: Anonymous vote: are YOU mafia?

(Vote): Townie
(Vote): Mafioso

These are the easiest to spot IMO. They will often be called scum by other players with arguments like "that plan is anti-town, so he's scum", or "that player's plans are so bad, they can't be town". This is easily refuted with the logic that a scum noob wouldn't be brash enough to come up with a plan and present it to thread like that. Most newbie scum are more timid and scared; by putting themselves out there like that even with a lolsy plan, it's obvious they are noob town.

Then you have the flavor of posters who are very stubborn and unyielding. These are the ones who will remain deadset in a certain mindset, even when confronted with conflicting logic and stuff. Here's an example:

##Vote: prplhz

BAAWW I DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME EXPLAINING MY VOTE. Cry me a fucking river scum. I've suspected this joker since his first post.

That player got mislynched that day, on the grounds that "this guy is playing so anti-town like a jerk, is scum", and "is skeweing information for his own gain". This one is pretty easy to spot too, because these players are often very belligerent and self-assured. That aura of confidence, though misguided, is a strong town tell. This is how I spotted FourFace as townie in TL LI, and Sinensis as town in this game.

The last flavor is the trickiest; the newbie townies that are timid and unsure of themselves. They often post big lists of random ass reads, sometimes lurk a lot, and in general seem wishy washy. I can't find a good example of one of these atm, but you should know what I'm talking about. They often get accused because they display general scum traits like "doesn't make a lot of cases", "lurks", etc. The best way to figure these ones out, unfortunately, is probably associative tells. If this player type was scum, they would be very unlikely to bus. I also look and see if their lynch is going way too easily, or if people are making really ill-conceived cases to lynch the person. Things like that smell of an easy mislynch. Also, you just have to try and read their tone and see if their noobiness is genuine.

Overall, regular scumhunting techniques still apply to newbie players. The biggest thing you have to ask yourself when reading their filter is "Is this person actually interested in scumhunting?". Even if they are really wrong with their logic, bad =/=scum. With the first player type, it's pretty obvious that they are, even if their method is wrong. With the second type, it is also pretty obvious. For the last, you just have to try and read if their newbiness is genuine, or if they are scared. It also helps to have experience with that particular newbie.

EchelonTee

United States5256 Posts

June 19 2012 01:35 GMT

#3138

how do you tell if a scummy lurker is noob scum or noob town

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