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On June 03 2012 06:42 jaj22 wrote:Yo Wiggles: Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 05:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Now, what "strong anti-zealos movement" are you talking about? There wasn't a strong movement against him, so much as 3 or 4 people commenting on him near the deadline. Additionally, the actual case on zealos by forumite didn't even come until 30 minutes after the deadline, whereas I had sent in my choice for lynch 5 or so minutes before the deadline.
Were you required to put your lynch choice in before the deadline? Did you have an opportunity to change it after the deadline?
I put it in five minutes early in consideration of the hosts. They didn't tell me if I could change it or not after the deadline, but I assumed once I made my choice and the deadline had passed, it would be final.
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I checked up a couple of older games and mayoral candidates were expected to submit their lynch choice by the deadline, although BC managed to dodge that by quarter of an hour in L.
Worth a try:
By what time were mayoral candidates expected to submit their lynch choice?
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My earlier case on Manason for reference:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 01 2012 21:25 marvellosity wrote:Probulous - I'm curious what you find 'ok' about Manason's filter. I took a look and there's just a shitload of tunneling on Zealos and especially kita without anything to back it up. Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 10:26 Manason wrote:
A lot of people are apparently making hasty votes, the day just began. We have roughly 45 hours to decide who is Scum and while you can change your vote why not focus the pressure on someone who is more likely to read the forum.
##Vote Kitaman Hasty votes --->> hasty vote. Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 13:11 Manason wrote:
I'm behind you on Kita. Kita or Zealous, those are the two I'd be happy to see lynched. I think we need to start putting some pressure on these two and see what they have to say in their defence. Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 02:09 Manason wrote:On May 30 2012 01:15 Forumite wrote:On May 30 2012 00:34 austinmcc wrote:
Bah, should have organized it more, sorry.
I don't disagree with the read on Zealos, and I don't think it's an example of good town play. But that seems to be the general opinion.
I just don't get a good feeling from the way it feels like you tried to pump up your reads on Toad and Zealos, especially when a lot of your reasoning came from supersoft or didn't even feel that strong for you (He said, as he finishes presenting a read that apparently isn't all that strong...). Also, when we had so many inactive players, choosing to hold your reads until pressured to reveal anything doesn't quite sit right with me.
Do you currently have any reads outside the main targets of discussion that feel scummy to you? It SHOULD have been the general opinion that Zealos was the scummiest, but noone talked about him, and Sinensis got lynched instead if Zealos. Whatever your own read was, there wasn´t enough of other people agreeing with you and I to kill Zealos. I tried to change that at the end of the day but I didn´t try hard enough. My reasoning didn´t come from supersoft, he got my eye on Toades, but we reached the same conclusion on Zealos on our own, unless my subconcious is acting up. I waited until someone else, in this case Supersoft, revealed his own suspicions on Zealos before I did too. I got suspicious of him first when he claimed VT, and then for real with his preemptive defence of Toades. I called him out defending Toades, but didn´t push it too far, I didn´t want to spook him ahead of time, in case he was going to post more incriminating posts. I actually prefer NOT posting more when a part of town is inactive, because if I spam then there´s more to catch up on. Anyway the most suspicious people during D1 are Zealos and Kita. Manason acted weird too. BH looked bad earlier, although less so after the sinensis-flip. I´m not sure how my read on you, austinmcc, changed with the flip, BH was agreeing with Sinensis, at least intitially, but you were defending him. So I´d say my strongest unorthodox scumtell would be Manason. While I do agree with you about Zealos and Kita, I can't say I agree with you on myself. And the obvious question I'm going to ask you is why me? Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 12:35 Manason wrote:
As you wish. Also note that I have previously stated I'm for the lynching of Kita or Zealous. So don't come at me and say that I'm just mad that your calling for a vig shot.
VisceraEyes: He's for lynching Kita, so I want to work with him for now.
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Hassybaby: I'm not for lynching the lurkers at the moment as we have better targets that are active. Like Kita and Zealous.
kitaman unsurprisingly asks him what his case actually is: Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 12:48 Manason wrote:On May 31 2012 12:40 kitaman27 wrote:On May 31 2012 12:35 Manason wrote:On May 31 2012 11:35 kitaman27 wrote:
Your post doesn't have a conclusion prob. I assumed lynchers know their target because it would be an imbalanced role otherwise. I've never played in a game where a player's win condition is to lynch an unknown target.
I find the following players scummy and have listed them in the preference of lynching order.
VisceraEyes: case stated earlier
sToFu: Apologetic, lacks town tells
Mr. Wiggles: Band-wagoning, play has completely dropped off as promising to be a leader
strongandbig: stated ealier
Hassybaby: Active lurker. Refusing to contribute even after people have complained about his apathy.
I find the following having contributed little to nothing in the thread. I'd like each of them to comment about the above five names or bring up something meaningful to show that they care about showing that they are town. Otherwise, they should all be considered for vig shots.
Manason
GambitX32
Cwave
Hassybaby
Kenpachi
phagga
Hyaach
sToFu As you wish. Also note that I have previously stated I'm for the lynching of Kita or Zealous. So don't come at me and say that I'm just mad that your calling for a vig shot. VisceraEyes: He's for lynching Kita, so I want to work with him for now. sToFu: I don't think he's scum. Mr. Wiggles: I voted for him because I trusted his judgment. Nothing I've seen so far has led me to not trust my intial insticts. strongandbig: at some points I've thought he's scum, other times town. To be honest I have no opinion at the moment. Hassybaby: I'm not for lynching the lurkers at the moment as we have better targets that are active. Like Kita and Zealous. You stated that you wish to pressure me with your vote, but have not once explained your reasoning for voting me. Please provide a case (and I hope its more detailed than your views of those five) To be completely honest, I have no reasoning as to why I think your scum other than intuition, and I want you to defend yourself as it will either make me change my mind about voting you or provide more information. My enemy is scum, if your town please, convince me. I hate this 'to be honest' wording. Only intuition. He says 'I want you to defend yourself' - how is kita supposed to defend himself from Manason? There's no case to answer... Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 15:43 Manason wrote:
Sorry VE, but theres a lot of evidence making you look bad.
##Unvote: Kitaman
##Vote: VisceraEyes
However I still do look forward to what you have on Kita, If it's good enough you might have a chance to not get lynched. Going back to my line of reasoning during the lynch, Manason is one of those voting for VE because there is 'good evidence'. We are not graced with any idea of what parts of the evidence he agrees with. All in all, Manason so far has thought Zealos, Kita, and VE are scum. Just for the sake of completeness, I will sum up Manason's cases on them all (and by sum up, I mean write the entire cases he has written): Zealos: ... kitaman: no reasoning, intuition VE: good evidence. This is appearing to scumhunt without scumhunting of the highest order. He's posted enough times but actually has zero content. Bandwagoning when convenient, abandoning his 2 earlier reads just like that. This dude looks like scum to me.
Since my case:
On June 01 2012 23:29 Manason wrote:
Ok well there is something I want to make clear right now. I never thought VE was Scum.
Very little to say about that one really. Not accepting anyone's 'too dumb to be scum' defence. I caught scum Zealos in the exact same thing in Magic.
On June 02 2012 10:31 Manason wrote:
##Vote Kitaman
I will post a case later.
This was almost a full day ago. Die scum die.
##Vote: Manason
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Some food for thought; Ange777 is posting like a baws in Newbie XV and yet nothing here :/
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On June 03 2012 08:17 marvellosity wrote:
Some food for thought; Ange777 is posting like a baws in Newbie XV and yet nothing here :/
not alignment indicating for a reason
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Toad sweetie, while you're here, do you fancy giving us your thoughts on anything at all?
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Well lynch kita or gambit. Kita > gambit imo
Those new guys always have that 1% chance of flipping making the host completly ignore their alignment and just spin a wheel to determine their alignment.
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I dunno. Chance of Gambit being town, coincidentally showing up 5min before the deadline to dodge the modkill, and then running for the hills? Is that really lower than the chance that Kita is town?
I'm building up some pretty good evidence on Kita but I'm still not sure that we shouldn't just kill Gambit first.
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EBWOP: Is that really higher than the chance that Kita is town?
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On June 03 2012 09:59 jaj22 wrote:
I dunno. Chance of Gambit being town, coincidentally showing up 5min before the deadline to dodge the modkill, and then running for the hills? Is that really lower than the chance that Kita is town?
I'm building up some pretty good evidence on Kita but I'm still not sure that we shouldn't just kill Gambit first.
both will flip mafia, so who cares, we need to speed this cycle up :D
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Marvel, do you really think Manason is getting lynched today over Gambit or Kita?
I agree with you that his behaviour looks like scum. He can be added to the list of people to die but I think the question is whether we lynch Kita today or Gambit. I would prefer Kita because I can see him wiggling out of the lynch tomorrow. If we lynch Gambit and then scum shoot those pushing for a Kita lynch there is a possibility that they can distract town from him.
On the flipside we have a near confirmed scum in Gambit which would lower scum KP tonight. I am convinced Kita is mafia as well but if we can't get him lynched then I am happy to lynch Gambit.
I still think Ange could be scum, his soft defence of Zealos is just to convenient to dismiss. In short here is my preference for the lynch today.
kitaman27 > GambitX32 > Manason / Ange777
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RE: MZ and Toad
Can you explain what you meant here? (klicky)
On June 01 2012 12:33 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 10:28 Probulous wrote:On June 01 2012 09:38 EchelonTee wrote:On June 01 2012 09:24 Mattchew wrote:
SnB, Gambit, kita, papa should all be killed immediately
I'd FOS wiggles, manason, ange hyaach I think Ange and hyaach are fine. I'm looking at: Kill: G32 - ninja vote, derp posting papa - that weird vote on VE kita - dgafs about game, lol's at VE dying??? Maju - wishy washy posts, bashes Sinensis at one point, extremely low content to post ratio FoS: jaj22, Wiggles, Manason, Kenpachi There are some outliers but those are my focus atm. ET, you can do better. What is your opinion of Kita and on supersoft, Meapak as well. Be clear and thorough. "Lol's at VE dying" is not enough. mz is town unless him and toad did some intense as fck wifom. I have MZ as town as well but not because of Toad.
Toad could easily have masoned a scum. If MZ was scum he would have direct access to Toad in private which is probably worth keeping. I mean if he claimed to have not received the PM, Toad would have been "lying" and then would have been lynched. After the flip MZ would have been shown to be lying so I don't see why scum would do it?
Why would Toad masoning MZ make MZ town?
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On June 03 2012 10:11 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 09:59 jaj22 wrote:
I dunno. Chance of Gambit being town, coincidentally showing up 5min before the deadline to dodge the modkill, and then running for the hills? Is that really lower than the chance that Kita is town?
I'm building up some pretty good evidence on Kita but I'm still not sure that we shouldn't just kill Gambit first.
both will flip mafia, so who cares, we need to speed this cycle up :D
Right, who cares about a third mislynch. Lets speed this along.
I'm sad Meapak has abandoned the game 
For someone who has apparently taken a hit, bugs hasn't done anything townie this game. Where you at?
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I guess I'll post my stuff on Kita even though I'm still not sure whether to vote him over Gambit:
The Zealos connection:
This bit's mostly a rehash of an earlier post of mine.
On May 30 2012 04:46 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 03:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
¿Kita what do you think of Zealos sir? ¡I'll respond in a bit!
Two points here: Firstly, Kita acknowledges the breadcrumb, which would explain why VE was roleblocked. Secondly, Kita never actually responds. He takes the time to dig up an upside down exclamation mark, but he doesn't spend the two minutes it takes to read Zealos's filter? Not much excuse here.
On May 30 2012 14:55 kitaman27 wrote:
Hassybaby has not shared his opinion on a single player this game. I'd like to request a large post from him within the next 24 hours or he should be strongly considered as a vig target tommorrow night. Zealos has disappeared. As a lynch candidate, he needs to be extremely active today if he hopes to stay out of trouble. marvellosity's filter is far too safe for my liking.
Midway through day 2, Kita's sole comment about Zealos until his post-lynch troll. Note also the poke at Marvellosity, who had a strong meta-read on Zealos after nailing him in MTG.
Next one spoilered for length:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 11:35 kitaman27 wrote:
Your post doesn't have a conclusion prob. I assumed lynchers know their target because it would be an imbalanced role otherwise. I've never played in a game where a player's win condition is to lynch an unknown target.
I find the following players scummy and have listed them in the preference of lynching order.
VisceraEyes: case stated earlier
sToFu: Apologetic, lacks town tells
Mr. Wiggles: Band-wagoning, play has completely dropped off as promising to be a leader
strongandbig: stated ealier
Hassybaby: Active lurker. Refusing to contribute even after people have complained about his apathy.
I find the following having contributed little to nothing in the thread. I'd like each of them to comment about the above five names or bring up something meaningful to show that they care about showing that they are town. Otherwise, they should all be considered for vig shots.
Manason
GambitX32
Cwave
Hassybaby
Kenpachi
phagga
Hyaach
sToFu
Kita manages to make a scum + lurker list that doesn't include Zealos. Funny, given that he previously listed Zealos as a lynch candidate who needs to post more. Actually I'm not sure how he made this mistake even as scum.
From Kita's case on Wiggles:
On June 02 2012 11:52 kitaman27 wrote:
However, his only legitimate opponent, EchelonTee, has expressed suspicion of Zealos and a strong anti-Zealos movement has started to gain strength hours before the deadline.
Kitaman posted during the period when Zealos was under discussion, but only commented on Sinensis, SnB and Manason as lynch candidates himself.
Attacking Wiggles:
There's not much wrong with the case on Wiggles apart from the exaggeration of the Zealos push. What's really wrong here is that Kita is pushing a Wiggles lynch when we're on the KP margin and Gambit is 99% claimed scum. If Kita is town, the obvious thing to do given the current votes is to push hard for a Gambit lynch.
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On June 03 2012 12:21 jaj22 wrote:I guess I'll post my stuff on Kita even though I'm still not sure whether to vote him over Gambit: The Zealos connection:This bit's mostly a rehash of an earlier post of mine. Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 04:46 kitaman27 wrote:On May 30 2012 03:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
¿Kita what do you think of Zealos sir? ¡I'll respond in a bit! Two points here: Firstly, Kita acknowledges the breadcrumb, which would explain why VE was roleblocked. Secondly, Kita never actually responds. He takes the time to dig up an upside down exclamation mark, but he doesn't spend the two minutes it takes to read Zealos's filter? Not much excuse here.
Right, I saw that VE posted an upside down question mark, SO I ROLEBLOCKED HIM KNOWING HE MUST BE A VIG. :p
I read zealos's filter and commented later, although I essentially acknowledged that he was a lurker without having much of a read.
On June 03 2012 12:21 jaj22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 14:55 kitaman27 wrote:
Hassybaby has not shared his opinion on a single player this game. I'd like to request a large post from him within the next 24 hours or he should be strongly considered as a vig target tommorrow night. Zealos has disappeared. As a lynch candidate, he needs to be extremely active today if he hopes to stay out of trouble. marvellosity's filter is far too safe for my liking.
Midway through day 2, Kita's sole comment about Zealos until his post-lynch troll. Note also the poke at Marvellosity, who had a strong meta-read on Zealos after nailing him in MTG. Next one spoilered for length: + Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 11:35 kitaman27 wrote:
Your post doesn't have a conclusion prob. I assumed lynchers know their target because it would be an imbalanced role otherwise. I've never played in a game where a player's win condition is to lynch an unknown target.
I find the following players scummy and have listed them in the preference of lynching order.
VisceraEyes: case stated earlier
sToFu: Apologetic, lacks town tells
Mr. Wiggles: Band-wagoning, play has completely dropped off as promising to be a leader
strongandbig: stated ealier
Hassybaby: Active lurker. Refusing to contribute even after people have complained about his apathy.
I find the following having contributed little to nothing in the thread. I'd like each of them to comment about the above five names or bring up something meaningful to show that they care about showing that they are town. Otherwise, they should all be considered for vig shots.
Manason
GambitX32
Cwave
Hassybaby
Kenpachi
phagga
Hyaach
sToFu Kita manages to make a scum + lurker list that doesn't include Zealos. Funny, given that he previously listed Zealos as a lynch candidate who needs to post more. Actually I'm not sure how he made this mistake even as scum.
Just slipped my mind. Nothing really to say here. It's not like omitting his name would suddenly make everyone forget about him in order to protect my scumbuddy. As for the gambit lynch, as he has been completly absent two days in a row, I'd be willing to support a lynch against him if nobody was willing to go after Wiggles.
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I'd also consider a Kenpachi lynch at this point.
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On June 03 2012 12:36 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd also consider a Kenpachi lynch at this point.
go for it scum
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kitaman27
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I miss your spam VE. At least it gave me something to read.
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Ange777 will be modkilled with the night post, her alignment will be kept secret until that point.
She did not break any rules, but keep discussion pertaining to this in the post game. PM her or me (preferably me) if you are absolutely dying inside.
Her removal will be taken into account when calculating the number of players required for the lynch. It now takes 9 to lynch..
In addition, I will be on vaction for the coming week. My lovely cohost will be handeling the nightposts and dayposts. You may still direct questions to me, and I will answer them when i can, but it is important that you make sure to also send HIM all of your night actions and requests.
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