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On June 01 2012 01:37 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 01:26 Toadesstern wrote:
Mattchew it's easy as this:
You lynch into people who think are scummy to get peoples opinion on them and to get mafia.
You shoot into people that are hard to read because they're not posting because lynching them gives 0 information.
Let our vigs do the job of cleaning that mess up. If we shoot someone like VE and he flips that's less information than we'd get from a lynch either way.
Lynching or shooting into a lurker however makes no difference, except for the fact that we're wasting our lynch.
Why is thinning the herd (and potentially hitting scum) providing nothing to town... It makes it easier to focus in on people that are actually readable And why do you assume we have all this kp? And then want to lynch one of the claimed vigs
becaaaauuse, there is no reason to waste a lynch for one of them yet.
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On June 01 2012 01:46 Mattchew wrote:
So you'd rather waste lynches on them later when the lynches matter way more
yes. Because that way we have a better start in the game and can analyze way more improving every single cycle from now on.
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On June 01 2012 01:54 Hassybaby wrote:
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I actually don't think the reasons for VE's lynch are that solid compared to the big one to me: this to me feels like his exact play in LIII. The random claim, the desperate defence to anyone who's talking to him. The only thing missing is Toad randomly claiming.
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Exactly my thoughts. All the weird things happened once he got under pressure. He was looking fine on the "surface" before and again that's why I am disagreeing with WBG's argument that Town-VE does weird things.
Town-VE DOES weird things.
Not-Town-VE tries to not to weird things as much as he can until he gets under heavy pressure.
All the things that happened, all the things people consider scummy for a good reason , that's all stuff that happened afterwards and it never happened on it's own. That's the big difference here.
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[quote]7. This game follows Extended Majority Lynch. In order for a player to be lynched, they must reach majority before the deadline, or else a no lynch will take place. Majority is #Players alive / 2 Rounded up.
Extended Majority = vote ends on deadline and not earlier
Simple Majority = vote ends once majority has been reached
if I remember correctly. So the voting ends at deadline no matter what. [/b]
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EBWOP
7. This game follows Extended Majority Lynch. In order for a player to be lynched, they must reach majority before the deadline, or else a no lynch will take place. Majority is #Players alive / 2 Rounded up.
Extended Majority = vote ends on deadline and not earlier
Simple Majority = vote ends once majority has been reached
if I remember correctly. So the voting ends at deadline no matter what.
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On June 01 2012 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
THAT, guys, is the icing on the cake. Not me thinking MZ is scum, but all the lurkers coming in and flocking to VE.
Do you guys want to lynch who the LURKERS want to lynch? Really? They're not reading the game...they're not even playing in the real sense. Vote with me, I'm reading. I'm trying. Kill Kitaman or Zealos or Wiggles or take your fucking pick...don't lynch claimed Town Vigilante.
come on, you wanted to lynch into claimed Town Mason 48 hours ago.
And no the lurkers aren't voting you for the lulz. the lurkers are voting you beause the confirmed townie, bugs and MZ (who both are looking good) are voting you.
Do you want the lurkers to be modkilled instaed?
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I am totally comfortable with it
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the fuck. How do you tell the difference between a desperate townie and a desperate mafia?
I was yesterday a desperate lyncher who tried to be mayor as well and you guys were all wrong.
The only reason to not lynch VE is the claim and his claim is ridiculous because it's not even any good to him. The only reason people consider him a "bad" lynch is the blue color within his claim.
That's all there is to "don't lynch VE". Nothing else.
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On June 01 2012 05:46 VisceraEyes wrote:"I'm not manipulable HURRDURR"
I wrote in my diary that I'd like to lynch either you or Kita way before the night was over.
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On June 01 2012 05:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Then vote Kita with me. If we're both on urn docket optimal play is creating fueling bandwagon with both and if lynch cool the leader claimed vigil anyway
WINWINWINWINWIN
Your lynch is the most reasonable thing we can do right now. If you are town you're a VT now because as already mentioned you're going to be roleblocked into oblivion. There won't be a way to figure you out until we see you flip, unless of course we listen to reason instead of the claim and reason tells me you're mafia or 3rd party.
The claim is the only thing that scares people and you know yourself that people believe every ridiculous claim these days just for the sake of the blue color and the fear of lynching into a blue. Everyone who's a lynchtarget turns into a blue eventuellay these days.
Just look at BM when he fakeclaimed Mad Hatter telling town he had bombs on the 2 most likely townies in the game. Didn't do him any good but he survived one day longer.
We're going to be in the very same situation tomorrow without you being flipped. Some people will scream for your head, some will keep on saying 'don't lynch the blue just because he got rb'ed'. Might as well get over with it and play with open hands d3.
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On June 01 2012 06:01 supersoft wrote:
mh i am not afraid of toads scenario because i dont break my promise that ve is dead tomorrow if no red blood spreads all over the place tonight
we don't even know if we have a watcher. That's all based on that one assumption.
And a watcher isn't exactly a normal role.
Not to mention it's 23:00 my time, that means 2 hours left until deadline, we're having a huge inactivity problem anyways and some people might already be asleep. A switch is not going to happen and if we try to we're going to have a NL.
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On June 01 2012 06:13 marvellosity wrote:
I fucking detest this 'let's get it over with' sentiment that both wbg and Toad have expressed on this page. It makes my blood curdle.
I'm merrily sitting on the fence whether VE is town or scum. In the past I've voted to lynch him twice, and he was town, and in LI I didn't vote to lynch him, and he was scum. There's things I don't like about VE - the Zealos issue, and his meta case on kita, but there is waaaaaaaay too much stuff being read as a narrative. Almost anyone's filter can be made to read scummily if you want it to, but everything he says is being fit to this narrative without looking at the alternative.
There's really too much "oh, might as well". Does everyone voting VE genuinely believe he's scum? Obviously this isn't aimed at kita/MZ/Toad, but the rest of you. Is he the best chance of flipping scum for today or are you being led by vocal people?
The only thing that makes VE look good is Supersoft getting in here telling us VE is 90% mafia and yet getting in here telling people to lynch someone else instead.
That's the kind of information I'm talking about and I still think a VE lynch is equally good to a Zealos or Kita lynch.
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oh yeah. Feel free to shoot gambit the night. Along with some other targets depending on VEs flip.
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On June 01 2012 07:44 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 07:41 Ange777 wrote:
I should stop clicking "Post" for "Preview" ....
VE was asked why he didn't for push any cases.
I believe this fits very well to the careful playstyle of not pushing for any lynches yourself. I don't think there is anything careful about VE's playstyle. I was wrong, it seems it seems 14 was the hammer. VE where you at? Don't go missing now. Note: Zealos hasn't voted. Mattchew is still on SnB?
15 is the hammer, VE has 15
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On June 01 2012 00:20 GreYMisT wrote:
Someone was correct, it is 15 to lynch with 28 alive.
Blazinghand, We'll see how many non voter we have, I'll think about it
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wtf are you doing
we have 4 minutes left
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On June 01 2012 07:56 GambitX32 wrote:
Sorry, guys. I've been traveling for work the past couple days across the nation. I didn't expect not having internet at the hotel yesterday and I just got checked in to the next hotel. I realize I don't have time to catch up on 40+ pages before the vote so I have to place a vote on who I remember as having the worst/most suspicious posts from the other day -- Zealos. I see a lot of people are voting for VE and the last time I was current on the thread he didn't seem scummy. I understand if you are angry at me, and no apology makes up for my absence; but I will catch up asap since I'll be at this location for the next two weeks and have the weekend off this week.
One big question: Are you a mason?
Only y/n is allowed.
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and obviously everyone vote VE
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wtf is wrong with you guys
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EPT
