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On May 19 2012 02:05 Snarfs wrote:
Palmar, you say that Sentinel claiming VT is very unlikely for mafia, but if he had claimed anything else he would be going against a plan that he had agreed to before day 1 and would very likely be under fire anyways. By claiming VT, if he is janitor, he at least has a chance to survive until the night and hide the flip and whatever information that might contain.
That's how I see it.
You forget that sentinal did not have to claim at all.
And if we lynch townie today, we're killing the other two anyway, so whatever.
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On May 19 2012 02:14 risk.nuke wrote:From how people explain sentinels action these last pages. You people are beeing corrupted by the situation. You need to go back and reread how sentinel started this. While yes I may act arrogant but I'm only an arrogant stubborn hardass when I think I'm right and only aslong as I think I'm right. If you see things differently it's not my fault if you can't persuade me just like it's not the customers fault if the salesman can't sell his product.
The problem is you're not making a decision easy. If you're town you're deliberately making it hard to come to a conclusion. It's strictly bad play. There is not a single role in that pool of roles that's so important that you can't out that you have it. It's not even a given that mafia got a roleblocker. Roleblocker was actually one of the roles I had my sights on if I had gotten in early, I really like being a town roleblocker, it's almost better than a medic.
The only one of those three selling a complete product is Sentinel, why on earth would the only outspoken and "honest" person in the group be the scum?
That makes no sense.
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In the current situation, it's the wrong play, no matter what the outcome is, to lynch Sentinel.
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I'm going to send in a pardon for sentinel.
So either we lynch risk.nuke or we lynch no one.
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I don't believe you risk. I think vigilante is too generic a claim for you. I think that fell through and your buddy got it somewhere lower. I don't think you're bad enough at this game to assume that hiding your role was soooo important that you'd directly attack town by refusing to work together.
I want to kill you.
To clarify. I understand that pardoning sent basically means wasting an entire cycle for town only to have the same argument again, so I'm actually not doing it.
That doesn't change we should be killing risk, not sent, tonight.
Good night.
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Cool, I was wrong. I sometimes do this, mix up bad and scum, also I expect people to play well, which was clearly an overestimation for sentinel.
Anyway, this probably means you need to kill me at some point. Obviously the fact that I didn't pardon sentinel should confirm that I'm not scum, despite having the resources to do it and already pretending to do it.
In addition, I'd never allow one of my scum teammates to actually do something like this, it's just that dumb.
However, I'm fine with whatever, just remember to look at the people that push for my death.
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On May 19 2012 23:06 talismania wrote:
Not sure if mass claiming would make it easier for the sk or not. I can see it either way.
Risk if you're going to shoot anyone, it should be palmar or paqman. I would not be opposed to seeing either of them flip as soon as possible.
Explain why I'm scum and how my actions make sense from a scum perspective.
I fell into the trap of assuming sentinel's play was simply too dumb to be scum, as I explained in the thread. That doesn't make me scum. I had the power to pardon him, I didn't.
Yes, I was wrong, I was wrong because of my assumption that a scum team that was down one person would not make their next move to create a triangle of players with one of their own in it, it's simply terrible play. I did not expect it.
I'm obviously reforming my opinion now, this is the first time in a loooooong time I've defended scum so blatantly as town. I need to re-read the entire thing.
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I have no qualms killing sandroba btw, his theory is insane, mine just assumed good play.
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btw I got roleblocked, I'm not sure waht's going on.
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On May 21 2012 15:24 Snarfs wrote:
Why would anyone roleblock Palmar? Only a traitor or a roleblocker are left that could do that. Just reiterating so that everyone can make note of it.
Town roleblocker thinking I'm scum/SK?
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On May 21 2012 03:32 Qatol wrote:
Contrary to what Palmar said earlier, I don't believe anyone here is an idiot for treating him as probably innocent. (Sorry to sidetrack, but the comment has been bothering me ever since Palmar made it the other day.)
I said that with the intention of riling you up.
Seeing as how badly I've played this game I guess I owe you an apology.
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On May 21 2012 21:32 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm interested in how Barundar plan to contribute less then he already is.
Palmar early on you thought zepphird was town. Do you still feel that way and why? And who do you think is most likely the last scum and do you have any guess to who is the SK?
Sandroba, Mattchew & Qatol: Same questions.
And someone knows when the deadline is. I thought it was last night.
Do you think Zepphird faked that "wtf" and "ninjaed by GM" thing around mattchew's shot on deconduo? It seems to me he wouldn't have risked posting that "wtf" if he was scum.
I haven't formed my opinion on the last scum. Sandroba is a possible candidate though, cause I know he's not very hands on when he plays scum, and well... if there is a proper vet in that scum team he's not giving a shit what his team is doing cause they're just being bad.
I don't know how to hunt SKs... I've never known that. I guess we have plenty of time to figure out,
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Toad is another possibility, something about the way he posted day 1 makes him kinda scummy.
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your claim was perfectly believable, doesn't necessarily make you town, but it helps.
didn't toad claim it after you claimed mason? Or did he do it beforeþ
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We should just murder sandroba, it's a really nice and easy way to continue today.
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On May 22 2012 21:47 sandroba wrote:
I think barundar is the sk (he sugested the cpr mass murder thing, which seemed weird at the time, but I guess it makes sense as sk) and hiro is the mafia.
@Palmar How come you are pushing me for not devoting much time to this game while you are yourself doing the same? Let me play diablo in peace.
I'm devoting tons of time to this game, I'm just being wrong a lot.
But killing you seems like a good way forward.
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On May 22 2012 22:42 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 22:37 Palmar wrote:On May 22 2012 21:47 sandroba wrote:
I think barundar is the sk (he sugested the cpr mass murder thing, which seemed weird at the time, but I guess it makes sense as sk) and hiro is the mafia.
@Palmar How come you are pushing me for not devoting much time to this game while you are yourself doing the same? Let me play diablo in peace. I'm devoting tons of time to this game, I'm just being wrong a lot. But killing you seems like a good way forward. what do you think about barundar and I think that snarfs/sandroba is the last scum
I had initial reservations about him, but mostly just the "not-sure-if-town" type of thing. Like I would rather kill a few other people.
I still think Toad might be possible scum or something in that lieu.
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I'm a win at all costs player Qatol, I want to lynch sandroba for not putting any effort into the game after it actually started. That, to me, is a perfectly valid reason to lynch him.
I'm not being lazy, I'm being uncertain. It's not long since I had like 8 games in a row as town where I pushed hard for a mafia lynch on day one. I've not been on the wrong side of a mafia lynch for probably 10 months or something, not even mentioning the fact I actively pushed to kill someone who's very likely a townie over scum. I know most people don't care about that shit but when I commit to something I'm not used to being wrong. I hate it and it's making me question everything I had assumed in this game up until the point of failure.
We're ahead, sandroba is a legitimate target, and killing him off today gives me plenty of time to re-think about the game.
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@Qatol, I don't rely on behavior in the classic sense, I rely on emotion and meta, probably more than anyone else on the mafia forum. It works very well when I'm actively playing, but I've only rolled scum or been shot night 1 after an uneventful day since I came back to playing for 2 months, which means I'm out of touch with the general feeling. It's what has made me extremely successful in the past, but it's also a much more volatile way to scumhunt and requires me to be more in touch with the game than just using logic.
I would support a barundar lynch. My initial reservations about him may have been based on something solid. And given the fact we have several good candidates for being townies, I see no problem with starting to lynch into the other group.
Snarf/marv being kind of confirmed looks good.
Misder's claim actually makes him look very good. It's almost impossible scum would use their roleblock on me as a claimed pardoner, a claim they would have no reason to disbelieve. However assuming I might be scum or SK it's a good call to roleblock me.
risk/qatol are probably town.
Sloosh's performance around the lynch of sentinel makes him unlikely to be scum
Mattchew still gets all the leeway in the world for his shot on deconduo.
Zephirdd is a weird one. Go back and read this interaction: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14722661 It seems very unlikely Zephirdd is scum based on this, and for the moment I'm not too worried about an SK
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I'm asking for a replacement out of the game. Consider me out of the game until the mods or I (with their blessing) find a replacement.
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