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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 18 2012 05:28 GMT
#795
Also, Janitor doesn't clean up lynches I'm pretty sure, only night kills.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 18 2012 18:15 GMT
#907
I would rather wait for zelblade to say if he chose mason than for marvellosity to claim his partner because then the confirmed townie becomes a target. Basically, if zelblade says he tried to choose mason, marvellosity cannot be janitor.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 18 2012 18:50 GMT
#921
Sigh, we did not need more people to claim green.

On May 19 2012 03:18 risk.nuke wrote:
There is also a possibility that Marv is scum and another scum is the real mason.

Not really, because that would be way too risky for scum.

On May 19 2012 03:33 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 03:26 sandroba wrote:
That was uber retardness picking mason at that spot, but oh well. There is another explanation I had not considered, which is sentinel is traitor. Kinda makes sense ensuring we would go in a wild chase after the other 2 players.
I'd like risk to claim before I decide whom to vote.

Risk doesn't need to claim, at least not yet. Zelblade needs to claim whether mason was the role he tried to select. If it wasn't, then we know risk selected the role zelblade tried to grab or sentinel is lying about whiffing on traitor, or both.

When did Sentinel say he tried to get traitor?

I do agree that zelblade should confirm first before risk roleclaims.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 19 2012 03:00 GMT
#974
risk.nuke can't be mafia anymore according to logic (assuming zelblade is not lying).
There must be a JOAT between risk.nuke, marvellosity, and Sentinel.
R = risk.nuke, M = marvellosity, S= Sentinel
V = vigilante, Ma = mason, Jo = JOAT, Ja = janitor
R M S
-----------
V Ma Jo (Possible- Sentinel scum)
Jo Ma Ja (Not Possible- Sentinel is lying as town)
V Jo Ja (Not Possible- Sentinel is lying as town)

Anyways, scum would have no reason to claim a role before zelblade claimed. It only makes sense that Sentinel is scum.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 19 2012 03:02 GMT
#976
This also means that Janitor is not in those three hands, and that if there is a Janitor, then it's in scum's hand in a lower draft position.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 19 2012 03:07 GMT
#978
But that means risk.nuke is lying about having vigilante and has JOAT.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 19 2012 03:10 GMT
#979
Oh, my logic is assuming that only one of them is lying. If two of them are lying, then anyone could be anything (well, I haven't done the deductive reasoning, but I would assume so).
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 19 2012 03:19 GMT
#985
On May 19 2012 12:14 PaqMan wrote:
Jesus Christ there's so many liars.

zelblade picked JOAT and didn't get it. R, M,or S must be JOAT.
If S isn't lying, R or M is lying
M picked mason. R picked vigi.
It'd clear M if his mason claimed but I don't want to give scum a free townie.
The JOAT is between risk and sent.

Toad you were wrong about lynching into risk/sent/marv.


If risk is JOAT, what does sent have?
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 19 2012 03:29 GMT
#988
On May 19 2012 12:21 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 12:19 Misder wrote:
On May 19 2012 12:14 PaqMan wrote:
Jesus Christ there's so many liars.

zelblade picked JOAT and didn't get it. R, M,or S must be JOAT.
If S isn't lying, R or M is lying
M picked mason. R picked vigi.
It'd clear M if his mason claimed but I don't want to give scum a free townie.
The JOAT is between risk and sent.

Toad you were wrong about lynching into risk/sent/marv.


If risk is JOAT, what does sent have?

If risk is JOAT (and is thus lying about taking Vigilante), we have multiple liars because either marvellosity took Janitor (and is lying about being mason) or Sentinel is lying about taking Janitor.


I guess. I don't really believe there are two liars though cause it doesn't really make much sense unless some townie is trying to screw town over.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 19 2012 03:31 GMT
#989
On May 19 2012 12:28 risk.nuke wrote:
Insomnia and can't sleep. Qatol and Misder. Reading your conversation is... well the level of is it like watching two kids counting cones in the woods and one of the kids says wait this cone is actually two cones stuck together and the other bursts out in amazement. Oh, nice catch! You're discussing completely obvious things for even people who just glance at the thread.

Yes, but 7 people haven't read the thread yet or just don't get it. For example, PaqMan recently posted in the thread after the claims and yet hasn't concluded what Qatol and I have concluded in the thread yet.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 19 2012 03:46 GMT
#993
On May 19 2012 12:37 PaqMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 12:31 Misder wrote:
On May 19 2012 12:28 risk.nuke wrote:
Insomnia and can't sleep. Qatol and Misder. Reading your conversation is... well the level of is it like watching two kids counting cones in the woods and one of the kids says wait this cone is actually two cones stuck together and the other bursts out in amazement. Oh, nice catch! You're discussing completely obvious things for even people who just glance at the thread.

Yes, but 7 people haven't read the thread yet or just don't get it. For example, PaqMan recently posted in the thread after the claims and yet hasn't concluded what Qatol and I have concluded in the thread yet.


And what is that? That you two think sent is scum? I'm not going to sheep my vote, I trust my read over two people who I'm not even sure are town.

I don't understand how you think Sentinel is lying yet is still town. At best, he was trying not to get hit by mafia because he has a role that he deems super extremely important that it's worth this entire discussion and mislynch. He hasn't defended himself, and if he really was town hiding a blue role, he should have claimed by now seeing that he's about to get lynched anyways. You say that you don't think he's that stupid as mafia to put himself in this situation, but he would be this stupid as town?
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 19 2012 04:59 GMT
#1003
Chaoser, do we get to know what role he had or if he was just a goon?
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 21 2012 02:04 GMT
#1142
I'm fine with a roleclaim tomorrow, although I am wondering- are we hoping that scum trips up when we roleclaim or to organize town.

Qatol, was the main reason you jailed risk to protect him or to roleblock him.

Does risk get his bullet back if Qatol jails him again?

I would say most likely, talismania saved someone last night, but there is also have the possibility that mafia tried to hit SK.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 22 2012 00:30 GMT
#1207
For protection or because you chose the wrong target- because if it's the latter, I'm pretty sure you can change.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 22 2012 14:43 GMT
#1260
marvellosity, is your townie above or below zephirdd in draft?

We are going to follow Qatol's roleclaiming plan- anyone that is vanilla should say so. (slOosh, hiro, Snarfs)
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 22 2012 14:58 GMT
#1265
I have a role, as implied by my previous post. I'm curious as to what role you think Barundar has actually, but I can wait til we finish claiming.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 22 2012 17:10 GMT
#1271
hiro is the only one left to claim nilla/role.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 22 2012 18:10 GMT
#1276
I'm roleblocker (obviously blocked Palmar N1 and hiro N2).

To SlOosh.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 22 2012 18:23 GMT
#1281
On May 23 2012 03:12 slOosh wrote:
slOosh's meta seems off
I was typing up a whole explanation but I realized it doesn't really help us find the anti-town players so I'll just say that my play here probably looks much more like my play in TL Mafia LI, where I was shot N1 as a blue suspect (due to thread presence drop). I'm always hungry for direction and am not really that confident in giving it myself in new situations (in LI it was due to the sheer size, this game is due to PYP aspect), thus the blatant sheeping on my town read. Nevertheless, I ease into games and as more time passes no doubt you will see more activity / discussion and whatnot from me.


Night Kills
N1: Talismania the witch and PaqMan (vanilla) died. There is 1 unaccounted KP, most likely explained by scum shooting the SK, as no one has claimed the shot, indicating that either Talismania did not use his power or chose not to give the potion after seeing the death list.
N2: Bluelightz died and Zephirdd claimed the second shot.

Conclusion: The last mafia knows the identity of the SK and will no doubt want him alive to help whittle down town numbers. There is no janitor in the game as N1 and N2 are the most optimal uses of it. Along those lines a copycat CPR is highly unlikely as the only way to attribute the lack of KP is that both scum and SK chose the same kill target two days in a row.

Additional side note: I don't think people have given Bluelight's case on Barundar as much consideration as it deserves. He is the role-cop and no doubt he would have utilized his check on someone he found suspicious, and a good portion of N1 discussions were centered around Barundar.


Role Claim
I am actually very eager to role claim. I will however hold back because of the tiered system, plus my claim is worth some discussion and would not like clashes / misdirection to occur in the thread.

At this point in the game, the unknowns are slOosh (me), Misder, Barundar and hiro's role claims. Everyone else has claimed something (whether they are lying or not is a different point).


Pre-edit: saw the thread and yea I guess I'll just claim in the next post I make.


You have the night kills wrong. Zephirdd claimed the third hit on N1; we are still missing a KP for N2.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 22 2012 18:26 GMT
#1283
Your conclusion still stands.

Barundar needs to claim.
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