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On May 09 2012 19:24 Radfield wrote: Apparently not as Zen Man just left. You'll get a role PM tonight Unforgiven. Can't wait | ||
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Oh man, did this just become even more pertinent  ? | ||
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But if he's town, shit. | ||
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On May 10 2012 23:28 Hyaach wrote: oh i kept reading it as 24 hour day. guess its 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle so we still got 1 full day ahead. ##Vote Anacletus What's your reasoning behind voting for me? | ||
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On May 10 2012 23:33 Hyaach wrote: No edits are allowed. IMO, i did whatever firmtofu wrote was just a innocent day 1 remark. There is nothing more suspicious about his post than yours actually. And say "if" he was mafia, what if the mafia decided to throw him under the bus? Not a good way to rule out anything. I'm also just voting you because there's nothing to discuss here /sarcasm It was for a misspell. I don't understand what your line about FirmTofu is saying, it makes no sense. I doubt that the mafia would try to be hyper-aggressive day 1. I think that the people who aren't voting are suspicious. I think it makes more sense for the mafia to try and be passive in voting yet vocal in chat to try and rule who otherw vote for and keep their hands clean. | ||
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On May 10 2012 23:49 Hyaach wrote: i meant i think whatever firmtofu wrote was just a casual remark. you seem to know a awful lot about how the mafia plans to play their game don't you. I've played mafia before. That being said nothing that I say is guaranteed so playing one playstyle will probably let them metagame us. I was only throwing out my 2 cents. Also, maybe I'm metagaming knowing mafia will read this. The hole goes deeper. | ||
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I'm not mafia TT | ||
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On May 11 2012 04:46 ShiaoPi wrote: Is that your defense? Seriously? BroodkingEXE if you believe me scum and starting a scumwagon, I would like to know the reasons how you came to that assumption. Well, the way I figure it, if I try to defend myself too much I'll just draw more attention to myself. There really isn't any evidence on the board so I think that just not voicing my opinion until there's more evidence would be better. I'd just like to point out though that if I am hung, you will see that I am not mafia and you will probably want to go after those gunning for me..... Your justification for wanting to hang me is lacking evidence just as my claim. | ||
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On May 11 2012 05:03 Crossfire99 wrote: Anacletus, don't think that defending yourself is scummy; it is just good play and everyone should do it. If you know you are town, then defend yourself and prove it. If you are actually town, and go down without a fight, then you have done nothing for us except die. Also, what does scumwagon mean? I am unfamiliar with the term and don't know what it means. I'll disregard this for numerous reasons not worth explaining. On May 11 2012 04:56 ShiaoPi wrote: The thing is you already got a lot of attention, probably the most right now. I presented you the reasons why I am suspicious of your behaviour, what about trying to explain your thought-process? And for what kind of "evidence" are you waiting? I do not really understand the logic behind waiting for something to happen before defending yourself. The only thing which will give us any kind of evidence is a lynch, since that is still a bit away, I don't get your logic here. My logic wasn't to kill Tofu as I said, I was just trying to get a head count on who was voting and who wasn't. I seriously doubt anyone who was voting for him originally is mafia. So I was just keeping track for myself of various things. I also seriously doubt that I'll get hung day 1 which is why I'm not really making a big deal out of it. But on the off chance that I do get hung, you'll see that I'm town and you'll have to make some decisions on whether the mafia bandwagoned me, or if the mafia tried to look innocent by not voting. | ||
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On May 11 2012 05:56 Jailbreaker wrote: if you dont have much to add, then why post? If you haven't read my posts posts then why post about my actions? Reading the full thread and knowing what is going on is pretty powerful in mafia man, as I've addressed this already. | ||
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##Unvite ##Vote Unforgiven_ve I don't actually want to vote for you, I just don't want to leave my votes on someone with other votes so he can get swing voted. I had no intention of actually hanging someone today. | ||
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On May 11 2012 08:28 Darkfirex5 wrote: [/b]yeah Unforgiving i think i have to put my vote on you, ill wait a little longer before i do so, but just puting your vote on Unforgiven_ve does not seem to have any justification, you're just leaving your vote on someone with no backing/reasoning why, it seems you are trying to draw attention away from explaining yourself. You still seem the guiltiest out of everyone, maybe you should start voicing your opinon on how you are not scummy, rather than place a vote holder and do nothing productive... you're most suspicious to me. I dont know if i will be able to get on before 7 tomorrow so im voting you atm [b\]##Vote Anacletus You're required to vote - so I am putting my vote on someone who has no other votes - I'm just leaving it as a placeholder in case I forget later. How is that suspicious at all man....what the hell are you on about.... >_> | ||
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On May 11 2012 09:16 BroodKingEXE wrote: @Anacletus, What have you been doing? Has the pressure vote brought any information? Scum hunting means analyzing responses to stuff like this, I'm willing to give you the benifit of the doubt if you provide useful information. I don't have any information. So no benefits and no doubts shall be given then I assume? | ||
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Well, I'm just trying to poke and prod here and there to get an idea for myself about who is doing what. I don't really like the idea of letting others make decisions for me like deciding this player is neutral, or this other player is aggressive. You're right in that it probably was a bit silly and overzealous, but hopefully it's helped some, I'm formulating some hypothesis of my own. Remember the #1 rule: Vote for a bro? noooo  | ||
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On May 11 2012 10:16 Mufaa wrote: [/b]Makes sense, but FYI you didn't actually vote for unforgiven. Instead of unvote you did unvite so I don't think your change will be counted. I figured after getting called out for editing you'd pay closer attention to your posts. For claiming to be pro-town these things(edit & failed voting) do nothing but benefit the mafia through ambiguity if you really are town. So why should we believe you're town if you can't take the extra 30 secs to proof your posts? Why shouldn't we assume the failed vote was you attempting to hide your focus on Tofu while ensuring that when you got called out you had a fallback ready by just saying oops? I never said I was protown, I just said that I've played mafia before. ##Unvote My personal feelings as of right now is that BioSC is mafia. He's been super passive while we've been at each others throats and has been trying to redirect attention off of himself. ##Vote Anacletus Well, this could turn out interesting On May 11 2012 08:08 BioSC wrote: Fair enough. I would probably be more suspicious of you if you weren't of me. I wanted to address this because I felt it trivial to discuss when there was more obvious things to consider and talk about. | ||
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On May 11 2012 11:45 dahdum wrote: Here are my reads and yes I know this is partially a rehash of events. --Scummy List - -- Most To Least Analectus - No point summarizing so far, chief suspect. Actually votes for himself after attempting to throw his vote away without reason, and says "I never said I was protown". Not acting like town. Hyaach - Bandwagons, no pressure at all. Urges caution. Scummy. BioSC - Highly defensive, focuses on Analectus. Darkfirex5 - Keeps cautioning against bandwagons and voting too early, sounds like scum trying to defend Analectus. Last post says he's voting against Unforgiven but then botches the vote for Analectus? Crossfire99 - Obsessed with Analectus, doesn't discuss anyone else. BKE - Not providing reads, only a semi-baseless vote which helped get the game going. Talks about scum will do and urges caution. Scummy. Jailbreaker - Worried about people pressuring too much, defensive, not contributing reads, promises something soon. Mufaa - Very few posts but cites RL reason and reiterates basic strategy. Jumps on Analectus for technicality, contributes no reads on anyone else. Austinmcc - Rightly pressures Analectus for his "i don't have much to add" vote, continues to lay one the pressure but never calls him out as scum or gives any real reads/analysis. FirmTofu - Defends the bandwagon well, placing reasonable pressure on Analectus. Compared to last game he seems more thoughtful however, so I'm suspicious of that. ShiaoPi - Jumps on Hyaach, lots of analysis. The huge post is somewhat indicative of a scum play, but I concur with his picks (Analectus/Hyaach) so far. Entirely subjective and of course you'd rush to create it so you could not be counted in it. Personally, I think that this is a bit suspicious. I'd just like for everyone to take a quick gander at his reasoning behind low suspicions of "agrees with me on lynches" and just how odd that is. When we start weening down the list - assuming the cop searches and finds me innocent - keep that in mind as you check everyone bandwagoning me. | ||
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On May 11 2012 04:05 BroodKingEXE wrote: @Hyaach Why did you put your vote on Ancletus? You had just as much reasoning as him. That is none. Okay.... On May 11 2012 16:08 BroodKingEXE wrote: Whatever Anacletus is trying to do it isn't town. His response to me is that he doesn't have any information, then he throws a vote at BioSC. Pretty cut and dry. ##Vote Anacletus Well then, you're just throwing a vote at me. Very cut and dry bandwagon. Has nobody worried about voicing themself too well, or making themself seem too unsuspicious so you become a mafia target? | ||
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In the beginning I was just being reckless to start up the conversations. I've said it multiple times, but I'll say it again, I have no interest in hanging anyone yet as everything is just inconclusive guesses. | ||
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On May 12 2012 01:13 Hyaach wrote: There is basically 8 hours left in this day. We are hard pressed against time. On the BKE suspicions. I actually felt that it is a valid direction. If you filter his post, he does post often but its all fluff. There is never anything constructive to the town from him. You could argue that he pressuring everyone and asking of explanation is town play but it could also be mafia trying to fish out blue roles What say you BKE. On Anacletus While i hope it is your bad play. You could be the godfather and choose to appear innocent to all investigation. Anacletus, in your opinion who do you think is scum right now? I actually don't agree with you guys in your suspicions of BioSC being mafia. I also think that Dahdum and Mufaa are also citizens as well. My best guess as to who is mafia would be BKE I guess, but I'm not too certain which is why I haven't really raised my voice in this instance. | ||
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On May 12 2012 05:08 austinmcc wrote: I'm all for further discussion, just interpreted that as wanting to lay out a concrete plan, which worried me. I don't have anything more to add to the case, other than Brood's response posts didn't do anything for me. He's yet to really post a defense. He sort of called me out as scummy, but didn't push that at all. However, I think the overall behavior today supports a lynch of Brood over Anac. Think about these possible scenarios: Anac is mafia, Brood is town. Someone jumps in with a case against another player. It makes sense, has some analysis there. If you're mafia, don't you jump on that? Don't you try as hard as you can to swing the vote towards Brood over Anac, pushing for a wagon as hard as you can? Why, if Anac is mafia and Brood isn't, would we not see more people coming in, sheeping my posts, pushing Brood hard? (Yeah, I'm pushing Brood. No, I'm not mafia. Just defending and pushing my own case and read, rather than jumping on an already-present wagon). Anac is town, Brood is mafia. You've got anac swinging, you've all but ensured a mislynch D1, you're sitting pretty as mafia. Then a case comes out on Brood. Wtf. Not good. Bury it, don't respond to it, stifle discussion, keep your sights on Anac. Until there's a critical amount of pressure, you don't have to do anything. But above all, you wait and you see what happens, and you start planning your responds. Both are mafia. Well, you're just probably boned. If town's two strongest reads are 2/3 your team, enjoy the loss. No way can you present a third candidate in time and hope for a mislynch. Both are town. Who cares? No way is town lynching mafia, you can sit back and relax. The response so far basically fits into almost any of those categories. No big pushing response. The ONE category that the response doesn't fit is Anac scum and Brood town. If that were the case, mafia should be trying so hard to start a wagon rolling. But they're not. So to me, the case AND the response fit Brood being scum (not counting the scenario where both are town and a mislynch is guaranteed). Just consider that. How would you expect the scumteam to play this, and has that actually happened? They're not giving us a lot to work with here, waiting things out and not slipping up within the last few hours. But is that lack of content a tell in and of itself? If that makes sense, and recent action just doesn't support a scenario where Anac is scum and Brood is town, then we should take out Brood. We can deal with Anac later if he IS scum, because he's got no chance to be really disruptive after his start. Incredibly insightful, sir. Upon this note and that I am still being voted for I'd like to re-assert that I am NOT mafia. ##Unvote ##Vote BroodKingEXE What is the FOS ##name thing about? I've tried to find an answer, and I've either overlooked FOS somewhere or it stands for something I don't know I'd just like to reassert that since I have a majority of votes on me - either the mafia is voting with you guys making it seem like a majority of town is voting, or they aren't in which case you might want to look at who else is being voted for. My opinion as of right now is that mafia is voting unanimously, so everyone should take a moment and note what the vote counts are for future use. In the case I get hung please assume that they voted unanimously and go from there as you'll see I am a townie upon my death. | ||
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On May 12 2012 05:23 dahdum wrote: I'm backing off of anac at this point, he's still suspicious but I'm thinking reckless/bad town vs bad mafia. Too many people are after him first day, some have to be mafia, and his defense should have been better if he's getting help in a QT (as austinmcc mentioned). Will support a lynch of BioSC or BKE, do we have a current vote count? What is QT? I think I still have 6-7 votes on me with 3-4 on BKE and 2-3 undecided - I could be wrong, but I'm trying to account for the swing votes in association with the last official vote count. This vote count ISN'T official - just trying to give you a rough estimate so you don't have to spend extra time looking back. Yes - I agree 100% that I'm just getting bandwagoned by mafia at this point. Receiving 8 votes off day 1 is just ridiculous and as stated before I think that they are voting unanimously at this point. | ||
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On May 12 2012 05:29 austinmcc wrote: FoS = Finger of suspicion. It's not a vote, but it's just a public "I'm watching you." QT = quick topic? Whatever it is. It's a separate forum that the scum team has access to. They can post in there, plan their actions, discuss how to respond to town. If you check some old games, usually the host will post the scum QT and an observer QT so everyone can read over what scum was thinking during the game and what anyone observing was thinking. Thanks for the informative response! | ||
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On May 12 2012 05:57 BroodKingEXE wrote: @Anac. The first one does make sense. I could be town and the Mafia could be letting you push me, because they know I am town. They don't even need to take ownership for their vote and could keep their vote on Analect. People who vote for me can be on either side. Bussing or wagoning are options for mafia. What about my response doesn't convince you? I'll be real with you man, I don't actually have *that* much of an inclination to believing that you are mafia. It's just that it feels like it's either you or me, so I'm trying to save my own neck. I am not without doubt of you - I just don't think that there's enough information for me to think it's worthy to hang you, but again, if it comes down to me or you, it's you... :/ I do think that others feel like you're mafia though, so that's why my vote is where it is. | ||
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Well, I think it's weird that the #1 reason to not kill me is because I'm entirely useless to both sides, made me giggle. Also - I'd like to just point out that many people recently have just switched votes, aka Unforgiven, ShiaoPi and Firm. Maybe it's a coincidence? Maybe not. I'm just really concerned with the way that those guys are swing-voting and bandwagoning so hard. | ||
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Can a mod please edit the blue out please, sorry :/ | ||
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On May 12 2012 07:37 Unforgiven_ve wrote: lol, I havent "switched", you scum! 'cause i never voted for anyone Also, i read something very fishy, but i will wait to Day2 to say it, it depends on BKE lynch (if it stays that way ofc) I didn't mean switched - just swing-voting in the sense that you guys all seem to have come to a similar conclusion within a short period of time for a deciding vote in the game. I'm really not comfortable with voting BKE :/ | ||
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On May 12 2012 07:39 ShiaoPi wrote: If you believe me to be bandwagoning go reread my filter, I actually give a lot of reasons why I waited this long to vote and I was among the first to support austinmcc's case. If that is bandwagoning to you, I would tend even stronger to the idea that you are just a "bad" townie. This may be the case - my words weren't pruned and tendered to be completely accurate - I just noticed a huge influx of people voting for BKE which leads me to the same conclusion and defense of myself. I just don't like it when people all vote for one person in a short period of time - it really just makes me feel like the voting is riddled with mafia votes. | ||
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It may appear that I look guilty because I kept insisting that I didn't think BKE was mafia despite voting for him - this wasn't to keep the bandwagon going as I would have voted for anyone to keep me alive. It really should raise suspicion that I would say "no he's innocent" when mafia would know he is innocent yet still vote to keep a clean record. I just thought I'd bring this up before anyone else does. My personal opinion is that mafia WAS part of the vote for BKE and that we should look carefully at those who did vote. That's my opinion as of right now. | ||
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On May 13 2012 12:30 Darkfirex5 wrote: well now we have a lot to work with at least, i guess ShiaoPi was onto something, time to avenge him :D I actually think that it may have been a mafia tactic to off someone who was NOT on the right track to make us think exactly what you are saying. Maybe you're mafia trying to start this trend? | ||
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Noticing the initial votes there are 5 people who didn't vote for me: austinmcc, Mufaa, Jailbreaker, Crossfire99, and Unforgiven_ve. austinmcc: I find his posts extremely town-oriented and the fact the he voted BKE and stuck with it through without bandwagoning seems very credible and I doubt that mafia would be so aggressive in posting, so I find him clean. Mufaa: I don't like how very early on his posts contained no assertions of mafia. I felt like he was just trying to stay clean and not put any pressure on himself until the very end of the day in which he voted for BKE. I also find his defense of me very fishy in that "Ana is probably just town" sort of thing. Jailbreaker: Dead/town Crossfire99: I don't find him suspicious for voting for me and sticking with his vote. Unforgiven_ve: I am not going to make a judgement at this time on his posting, although he raises my suspicions as well. My reasoning for bringing up the initial votes is because well - I know that: ShaioPi, Jailbreaker, BKE, and myself aren't mafia. That leaves 9 people left - with 4 being mafia. My synopsis of what happened day 1 was that the mafia began reasoning that I was of no use to the town so they abandoned my band wagon to try and hang someone more useful to the town. So my suspicions are of those who switched votes from me to BKE. My biggest suspicions lie with BioSC and FirmTofu - I truly believe them to be mafia and would like for one of them to get hung today, and here is my reasoning why: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707¤tpage=10#190 This post by Tofu not only distracts from any points made against BioSC but further asserts cases made against me and darkfire - and again my logic being that I know that I am not mafia so I can assume that the claims made against myself are baseless as his only points seem to be based off of what darkfire is saying. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707¤tpage=10#183 BioSC also makes excruciatingly similar posts to Tofu - it's almost as if they are working together! And my biggest reasoning to vote for them is because of how they both switched from my band wagon vote to vote for BKE after several times trying to seal a vote for me. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707¤tpage=17#326 My opinions on fluff posts using "we" in town situations are also pretty revealing with one's alignment. ##Vote BioSC Here's my vote - I strongly urge you guys to vote with me on this as I truly believe my synopsis to be accurate. | ||
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On May 14 2012 10:54 BioSC wrote: EBWOP: Ana: Please use the spoiler function if you are going to quote posts please. It makes the post much easier to read... I was linking to the exact quote instead of just quoting it in my post to try and make it easier to read and make it not so huge of a post. But spoilering quotes does sound great as well - I will make sure to do that next time, thanks for your input on this. | ||
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On May 14 2012 10:51 BioSC wrote: @Analectus: Who did you get to write this for you? Seriously, this is night and day better than your first day posts. I would be proud of you, but for someone who's neck just came off the chopping block for crappy posts, this sure is an oddity, especially against me. I've given my reasons for shifting my vote, look through my filter for it. If your reason to vote for me is simply for NOT voting for you, then you need to look a bit deeper. This is very cute. On May 14 2012 10:51 BioSC wrote: Unvorgiven_ve: Where the hell have you been, and why is it that the person the mafia hit has you #1 on their list? This is exactly what I am talking about man. You're playing exactly like mafia would. Of course the mafia wouldn't kill someone who was suspecting mafia - they would lynch someone who was pointing fingers at another townie and then after the killing they would bring up "Oh, this person_X thought Person_Y was mafia and Person_X was killed, that must mean Person_Y is mafia too and was killed for the suspicions!" I'm even more deeply convinced that you are mafia now. | ||
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On May 14 2012 12:06 BioSC wrote: For someone who claims to be town, you sure do know exactly how the mafia are thinking. + Show Spoiler + On May 14 2012 11:16 Anacletus wrote: This is exactly what I am talking about man. You're playing exactly like mafia would. Of course the mafia wouldn't kill someone who was suspecting mafia - they would lynch someone who was pointing fingers at another townie and then after the killing they would bring up "Oh, this person_X thought Person_Y was mafia and Person_X was killed, that must mean Person_Y is mafia too and was killed for the suspicions!" I'm even more deeply convinced that you are mafia now. There are many types of mafia play style. Your theory is based on assumptions, a pretty horrible reason to lynch someone. I can just as easily assume that the scum are killing off people that ARE on the right track, and keeping people like me, aka people who are not yet on the right track and have been brought up multiple times, alive. Honestly, the people that keep bringing me up are 3. Dahdum, Darkfire, and YOU. All of you have brought up asinine things in my posting, typing errors, assumptions based on how they believe scum to be playing, ect. I've addressed them all. You got away with bad play day 1, and now you are trying to accuse me of being scum simply because I voted for Brood. Hint: YOU voted for brood. And if I were to ASSUME you are town, why the hell would you bring up someone who switched from you (a town according to you) to someone we believed was acting scummy? I've bolded my question to you. ##Vote Anacletus I haven't brought up typing errors in your postings or any asinine things. I am not voting for you solely because you voted for BKE. I am voting for you because of how you acted so confident in voting for me yet were okay with swing voting so late. I associate voting late with being mafia so you can change votes without being noticed. I voted for BKE because I felt pressured to vote for someone else to save my life - as mentioned SEVERAL times before I didn't think he was mafia. You haven't even addressed how you've tried to tie me to darkfire so hard yet at the same time have had posts paralleling FirmTofu. And of COURSE I bring up the fact that you're trying to denote hanging correlations with who the hanged thought was guilty, it's pretty standard mafia play. I'm convinced that you're mafia and you're voting for me because I think you're mafia? Cute reasoning, my vote isn't a counter to you voting for me on day 1, this is me being convinced that you are mafia. | ||
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Again, I've stated my reason for switching votes. Since you can't be bothered looking it up, here it is: I've stated several times that I am not voting for you solely based on your reasoning for changing votes. Make a case against someone who is playing scummy, like we told you about 5 times. You're pretty condescending for someone who doesn't address any of the points I've made against them, but instead creates round-about posts that pretty aggressive. I haven't tied you to anyone. You've tried to tie me to darkfire several times. Something YOU have failed to do so far in your case against me. We can't lynch more than one person per day so I'm not aiming for a complete mafia call out - I am just convinced that you are mafia. I've also said several times that I believe that FirmTofu is mafia as well based on your posting similarities. But I guess you overlooked that. Honestly, if you ARE town, I don't even think you know why you are making a case against me. Got me there! Wait, not really, try reading my last couple of posts. If you are mafia, then the obvious reason would be to get a ball rolling on someone who's been vocal in the thread, so to make it "easier" to garner votes towards me. So your defense now is: "I'M NOT MAFIA, HE'S MAFIA"? Let's say the town DOES finally decide to hang me, you don't think I'll end the day with someone like "Okay, once you hang me go after BioSC and FirmTofu"? I feel like your strategy is pretty near-sighted for being a mafia. Your cute plan of trying to get whoever ShiaoPi was fingering more imaginative. | ||
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You're voting for darkfire even though the mafia is OBVIOULY trying to frame him and because he hasn't defended himself? What in the world? (If you others actually band wagon darkfire I might consider ending my own life on day 3 TT!) | ||
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On May 15 2012 03:57 BioSC wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 14 2012 20:49 Anacletus wrote: You're not even refuting or countering any of my points with validations for your actions anymore: Yes, I am. Did you even read my last post? I've stated several times that I am not voting for you solely based on your reasoning for changing votes. I would like to know where I wrote that your only reason for voting was me changing. I addressed each of your bad points, including this one. You're pretty condescending for someone who doesn't address any of the points I've made against them, but instead creates round-about posts that pretty aggressive. And YOU apparently lack the ability to read my posts, or just read what you want to see and ignore all the rest of my points. Care to answer my question back from before? I'm still waiting. You've tried to tie me to darkfire several times. Link Please. The only one linking yourself to Dark is YOU, in your case against me. We can't lynch more than one person per day so I'm not aiming for a complete mafia call out - I am just convinced that you are mafia. I've also said several times that I believe that FirmTofu is mafia as well based on your posting similarities. But I guess you overlooked that. Got me there! Wait, not really, try reading my last couple of posts. I have. I still believe this So your defense now is: "I'M NOT MAFIA, HE'S MAFIA"? Let's say the town DOES finally decide to hang me, you don't think I'll end the day with someone like "Okay, once you hang me go after BioSC and FirmTofu"? You can say whatever you want, if you flip as scummy as you are playing, it won't matter what you say. I feel like your strategy is pretty near-sighted for being a mafia. Your cute plan of trying to get whoever ShiaoPi was fingering more imaginative. Now who's being condescending/aggressive? Adding cute to your points doesn't make them any better. I believe ShiaoPi far more than I believe you, because HE flipped town. YOU on the other hand have been scummy since min. one. Your posts aren't worth addressing anymore. Your case is bad and your responses in this post confirm to me you don't actually have any idea about why you are coming after me. Right. My case is bad and THAT'S why you won't address the condemning information. You voted for dark for not defending himself, and now you won't now. The irony is astounding. | ||
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I also think that austinmcc is the third mafia. But I'm sure of BioSC - so we'll start with him, no? | ||
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On May 15 2012 08:52 Unforgiven_ve wrote: i need to read more camly all the post to get a 3rd suspect. Btw, now you see, op just said there were 3 mafias. another thing i was suspicious of austin It's BioSC, FirmTofu, and austincc....TT | ||
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On May 15 2012 09:04 Unforgiven_ve wrote: are you suggeting that Bio and Tofu are higer in your list than austin? I'm suggesting that they are all mafia. | ||
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On May 16 2012 06:05 austinmcc wrote: Looks like I won't be back before the deadline, so I'll just parrot what everyone else is saying and note that I'm still suspicious of Anac, despite arguing against a vote on him D1. What really sticks out to me is this post - I alluded to it D1, + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 00:39 austinmcc wrote: Anacletus, why, specifically, did you vote Tofu? All you've said is: In your original vote. But you didn't tell us what you found suspicious. Say you think this, why vote Tofu? He posted once, 40 minutes into the game, and hasn't been active. That's not vocal in chat. His activity so far this game doesn't fit the pattern that you believe to be scummy. Town's job isn't to care about what gameplan mafia may or may not have. Our job is to hunt scum. To me, your vote on Tofu, especially as it runs against your own reasoning, looks scummy or newbie townish. Yet you say you've played games elsewhere before. I don't know whether to slot Anac in as the third mafia, whether to think maybe dahdum and BioSC were just looking to make weak cases on each other and gain town cred if one was lynched and flipped scum, or whether there's another third mafia member out there. Relatively confident in those other two reads, and I can't really adopt some plan of "Assume everyone I read as scum is town," because that's just too confusing. I'll post more when I get enough free time and a computer, but it will be after the deadline. If nothing else, should I be the nightkill, hopefully some of this will be helpful. I think that the day 1 votes should be enough proof that I'm not mafia considering I was nearly killed. Vote BioSC - FirmTofu - austinmcc mafia! | ||
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##Vote BioSC | ||
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On May 17 2012 09:50 BioSC wrote: EBWOP: I don't want this to get buried. If you think its a bad read, that I'm wrong, or that I'm right, WHATEVER, TELL ME. I want some discussion on something, whether it be this or something else. + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2012 07:07 BioSC wrote: Lets just pause for one second. Are we really going to vote with someone who multiple confirmed townies have called out since day 1, has had inconsistent posting patterns, and is now tunneling against the person who has been calling him out since day 2? Whomever shot Mufaa, thank you. I wish I could take credit for it, but I can't. Now, we can finally look at the filter of a CONFIRMED scum, and try to draw some conclusions from it. This post in particular stood out to me: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 06:18 Mufaa wrote: Like I've been saying since my first post, I think Ana is bad town more than mafia. Every scummy thing he has done has been so scummy that if he was Mafia his partners would be berating him so bad he probably would have stopped posting instead of digging himself into this giant hole he's made. Austin's point about how even if Ana is scum he's lost so much credibility he can't make a push on someone d2. If he doesn't improve his play we might have to take him out later, but right now if we lynch him we won't gain any real info. Everyone has been on to him at some point, so if he flips town we gain almost nothing from this since his posts lack any content. If he flips scum the scum would lose a player, but that honestly might help them if he really is scum and is playing like this. If we lynch someone else and they flip town, we can see who has been focused on them, who stayed out of the discussion on that person and we at least have some good info to discuss over d2. The odds are just as good of anyone else flipping scum, so I would rather flip someone who would give us info instead of giving scum the option to hide behind the excuse that Ana was such a bad townie, how could everyone not vote for him. I think BroodKingEXE needs to post some content instead of one liners and just agreeing with people as it comes off scummy, but he isn't my first choice at the moment. Jailbreaker- Why haven't you posted in the last 3 and a half pages? You commented early on about how much aggression there was but you haven't made a single case, even hinted at having a read, or contributed to the town in any way. Why are you so content to just sit back and watch everyone else debate with the deadline so close? ##Vote Jailbreaker This isn't a permanent vote. I think Jailbreaker is the best lynch so far. If no one else feels this way, I will swing my vote to BroodKingEXE to get some info from the lynch as I do think his actual content will give us something to compare to everyone else d2 once we see his flip. We know for a fact that Mufaa was scum. Therefore, HE knows what alignment Anacletus is. If Ana was town, why would the scum team switch votes to anyone? Town lynches a townie, and scum get to shoot someone, instantly putting them in the best possible situation. The only situation i can see is that the scumteam made a last minute ploy to save Anacletus, and it worked. The suspicions I have are further strengthened by the same vote list that Anacletus used in his case against me. Quite ironically, austinmcc was the one who made it, and will end up being what I believe will be a very strong scumread against the 2 remaining mafia. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnX9O6cujxVmdFlvZkdqR1g0Qlh3d2dSaENrdW9DblE#gid=0 Notice the 2 people WHO NEVER VOTED ANACLETUS That would be austin (the person who made the chart) and Mufaa (The confirmed scum) I believe that mafia told Anacletus to vote for himself after the rest of the town started having major suspicions against him, to look more "innocent" or "new" to mafia. Once votes started coming in for BKE, he switched his vote over, to finally secure the lynch of a confirmed town. Those are not my words, however. Those are HIS. + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 06:43 Anacletus wrote: I'll be real with you man, I don't actually have *that* much of an inclination to believing that you are mafia. It's just that it feels like it's either you or me, so I'm trying to save my own neck. I am not without doubt of you - I just don't think that there's enough information for me to think it's worthy to hang you, but again, if it comes down to me or you, it's you... :/ I do think that others feel like you're mafia though, so that's why my vote is where it is. I feel like it was a combined play from the scumteam to cover up an early slip by one of their own. Anacletus with his sudden change in posting style and acting like bad town, Mufaa adding to the story by posting in defence of Anacletus, all nicely wrapped up with the case made by Austin to lynch a Blue Town. Finally, after making his "case" against me, Anacletus has simply stopped participating in anything remotely town positive. Looking through his filter of the last couple of days, they are simply one-liners and fluff posts. I get the feeling from him that I'm on the right track, and he's the one being defensive and trying to get people to vote me. This is my current thoughts on what is going on. Feel free to discuss. Should Anacletus feel like defending himself, here is what I want to know: 1) Why did the 1 of the 2 people who didn't vote you day 1 turn up scum? 2) Why was a confirmed mafia defending you up until his shot? 3) Why have you only posted a case on me, when there are 2 mafia left? What happens if you get your wish and I'm lynched today? What happens if I flip Town? ## Vote Anacletus Yeah I think it is a great synopsis that makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways, it's pretty condemning evidence at me. I'm not mafia though, so I don't know what to say. Also, pointing out good information doesn't make me less suspicious of you, which is why I have voted for you and I have seen others suspicious of you so I am just going to let them connect the dots for a bit. | ||
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On May 17 2012 10:04 austinmcc wrote: Bio my honest answer right now is... Sweet jesus I don't want to look through his filter. Any time I start, I see myself defending him on D1 as noob town. Everything on D1, everything since, I can still read as noob town or as scum. I was actually serious when I said he was so questionable that he'd have no chance to drive things in later days and cause chaos, and I've stuck by that, basically skipping over his posts (and also, to some extent, cases on him because I have been refusing to read him). Which is, frankly, not helpful. I got through your filter and a full gameread, but didn't get around to his because I seriously don't even want to wade in. I will make myself do some looking tonight, but I will probably mainly be reading your case and others' cases on him, because I just start to confuse myself when I look at his filter. Exactly, I'm just ignored, carry on. | ||
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On May 14 2012 12:18 FirmTofu wrote: If Anacletus flips mafia, austinmcc is nearly certainly mafia. Everything points to it. Buddying is already evident in Anacletus' posts but I'm going to read more to find a substantial argument in favor of this. Vote to hang me, then you'll get whatever information you're after. On May 14 2012 10:51 BioSC wrote: @Analectus: Who did you get to write this for you? I mashed random keys. On May 17 2012 07:07 BioSC wrote: I believe that mafia told Anacletus to vote for himself after the rest of the town started having major suspicions against him, to look more "innocent" or "new" to mafia. Once votes started coming in for BKE, he switched his vote over, to finally secure the lynch of a confirmed town. Those are not my words, however. Those are HIS. Good points, I'd hang me as well. On May 17 2012 09:48 BioSC wrote: You still haven't addressed my comments made towards you, Anacletus. I would appreciate if you didn't bury them. Not burying anything, just hang me, This is my current thoughts on what is going on. Feel free to discuss. Should Anacletus feel like defending himself, here is what I want to know: On May 17 2012 07:07 BioSC wrote: 1) Why did the 1 of the 2 people who didn't vote you day 1 turn up scum? 2) Why was a confirmed mafia defending you up until his shot? 3) Why have you only posted a case on me, when there are 2 mafia left? What happens if you get your wish and I'm lynched today? What happens if I flip Town? How the fuck do I answer why people do what they did? I can only answer why I've been after you, and it's because I think you're mafia. On May 17 2012 10:04 austinmcc wrote: I was actually serious when I said he was so questionable that he'd have no chance to drive things in later days and cause chaos, and I've stuck by that, basically skipping over his posts (and also, to some extent, cases on him because I have been refusing to read him). Huh, well how about that. So, yeah. I did make what I considered a good analysis post against BioSC, but I think he was the only one to read it, as he was the only one to address it, or even mention it's existence. So with that in mind, BioSC has me convinced, I must be mafia. He's made a pretty convincing case as is. ##Unvote ##Vote Anacletus | ||
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On May 17 2012 13:38 FirmTofu wrote: Anacletus, you aren't helping my voting yourself and it isn't winning you any town points. It just makes you look like a self-centered brat that doesn't want to take the time to defend himself in the face of an accusation and then wants to go, "I told you so!" when you flip town. I want you to unvote yourself right now and start playing the game because you aren't contributing anything of value yet. BioSC has convinced me that he's mafia, I'd advise you to switch your vote back onto him. Mega-post incoming. I'm not giving up on trying to win. I just figure by the way you guys are playing that I'm more of a liability than anything. So why not just get this done now for a higher chance of winning later. Not defending one's self doesn't equate to how one acts. And thank you for calling me a self-centered brat, I will be sure to compile this alongside the other ad hominem that I've receiced, like how my posts aren't worth reading, or how mafia writes my posts for me because I must be too stupid to write them myself. And this is getting off-topic, so I'll stop defending myself from baseless attacks now. [Hr] I'm leaving my vote where it is until I have substantial reason to do otherwise. | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:19 Crossfire99 wrote: Anacletus, do you just not care at all in this game? On May 17 2012 13:45 Anacletus wrote: I'm not giving up on trying to win. I just figure by the way you guys are playing that I'm more of a liability than anything. So why not just get this done now for a higher chance of winning later. Not defending one's self doesn't equate to how one acts. Thank you for taking the time to read my posts. This quote is from yesterday so either you didn't read it or just forgot. Please don't accuse me of things such as ruining the game purposefully or not caring. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Hyaach On May 17 2012 20:39 Hyaach wrote: My mafia team right now is Mufaa Austinmcc and Unforgiven_ It may seem small, I just think that the only reason to add Mufaa into that after he is already dead is silly and is just a mechanism used to add weight to his opinion and distance himself from Mufaa. Again, it's something small, but I think it's quite telling. On May 16 2012 19:55 Hyaach wrote: Well i guess the night wasn't for naught. Going to look through mufaa's filter. In case anyone was wondering, I was suspicious of dahdum before this. Obviously I was wrong i guess. I also think that he's just been pretty wishy-washy and trying to not gain any attention at all. So that's the big reasons for me voting - along with that I don't necessarily think anyone else has condemning evidence against them. So, again, I am always watching so if you post something at me assume I'm lurking and not answering for a reason/waiting for another reply or formulating my own reply. | ||
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