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I've read it as:
If FirmTofu town: Wants to ensure that if we're mafia we're not sheeping his own thoughts, so trying to get ours out first and then decide if he agrees disagrees. This way we can't just go, "Yeah I think so too." Still takes a decent number of votes to lynch if we've got two candidates, but if we still have inactivity, then Firm voting for someone because of his own reasoning and 1-2 mafia votes on top of that basically means a lynch.
If FirmTofu mafia: Wants all the reads ever to just start screwing with us. Allows for a little more manipulation, lets mafia team see where to poke throughout the day. Also allows him to sheep us.
Can read it either way.
Off to bed for now, hopefully at least a little activity will occur overnight? You know, like CROSSFIRE, HYAACH, AND UNFORGIVEN posting?
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So let's see.
Anacletus (3) - BioSC, Anacletus, Crossfire99
austinmcc (1) - unforgiven, Hyaach
Anac. I read you town, see my read on you. I can see why you'd be frustrated and want to vote yourself, but look back at D2 and N2.
On May 15 2012 08:58 Anacletus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 08:52 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
i need to read more camly all the post to get a 3rd suspect. Btw, now you see, op just said there were 3 mafias. another thing i was suspicious of austin It's BioSC, FirmTofu, and austincc....TT
You voted BioSC at the start of the day, so you still think he's scum. Mufaa flipped scum. How does that alter your team setup?
Firm if you want information from Bio, he's either provided it or isn't going to. Time to add something here.
Unforgiven, I'm using big letters because i AM desperate. We haven't had the full-on modkills that other newbie games have, just the one, but we've also had the warning and we have a lot of people posting just enough to not get modkilled. The more active we can get everyone, the more posts/behavior we have to analyze. My top read is still Crossfire I believe.
Hyaach, one post ago your suspicions were dahdum, Anacletus, Mufaa, ShiaoPi. Your team right now is Mufaa, Austinmcc, Unforgiven.
Can you explain your new reads a little better? I'm scummy because I've led two mislynches, fine. True. You can't figure out my townread on FirmTofu, but you don't slot him into your scum team. Does this mean you have a town read on him as well, or believe him to be mafia and don't have a slot to put him in? And why is Unforgiven on your scumteam? You weren't suspicious of him last night, what makes you suspicious of him today?
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On May 17 2012 13:38 FirmTofu wrote:
BioSC has convinced me that he's mafia, I'd advise you to switch your vote back onto him. Mega-post incoming.
Would like to hear the reasoning on this one. I'm looking a little less at Crossfire right now and a little more at Bio/Hyaach. Moreover, doesn't look like there's weight behind a Crossfire or Hyaach lynch today, we seem to be focused on Anac v. Bio v. Me. Why should we be voting BioSC over one of the lurkier players, and what put you over the top from suspicious to certain?
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Bio, I read it as (2). I got called out for ignoring his posts before, rightfully so, and no, his filter wasn't as long or bad as I'd convinced myself it was. I read him town last night, and his self-vote feels legitimately frustrated to me. I wish he'd pop back in and give some thoughts on how the Mufaa flip alters his scumteam.
Your unvote takes it to 2/2 on anac and I, with his 2nd vote coming in earlier. I don't like either of those options. So right now based on the way the votes are, I'm inclined to lynch into our more lurk-y players, and finally start to back up my requests with a rope.
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Right, this is some lovely WIFOM-y stuff, or at the very least some stuff where I'm of two minds.
I'm sold on Anac and I being town. The end. I'm relatively sold on FirmTofu being town, but want to see more. I was considering one of the lurkers for the vig, but either he's not claiming or I was wrong. So what I'm left with right now is: (1a) Two mafia lurkers; (1b) You + one lurker as mafia; (2) some scenario in which Firm is mafia.
Out of the three that I'm calling "lurkers," and I still feel them to be such given that so much of what we DO have from them is excuses for not posting and promises to post more soon, I'm most comfortable lynching into Cross and Hyaach. Will look at them some more, both my thoughts from yesterday and their responses, and see if one really sticks out to me as a better candidate.
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The ONLY reason I'm not entirely sold on Hyaach is his no-vote. When we already saw Jailbreaker get modkilled, a no-vote from a scummy player feels like way too large of a risk to take.
##Vote: Hyaach
That said, it's not really a town play either. I can only see someone failing to vote if they actually weren't around at all, which would mean he also wasn't getting prodded in QT or anything. For now, my vote's on him. His post today was just "here's what mufaa said" and voting based off of who mufaa had prodded or not. But I don't like holding my vote this late when there are no votes on anyone I find scummy, and (clearly) I've got no problem tossing out the first vote on someone.
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And of course, in WIFOM-world, you chose the guy who's in a time zone that would mean he's asleep during this time period. We can be almost certain that he's not coming back in to defend himself. So I'd like to see some more reasoning from you on why you like him over the other two, especially if Tofu is still working on some post about how he's convinced that you're scum.
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I don't like those as "fluff" though. He's not really filling a filter to make himself look active, there's no intent on his part to do anything other than be modkilled. Gah.
Also, i SWORE there was some post from him about his location saying Singapore but him being in ... Germany? Did I entirely make that up? Anyone remember that from any player?
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On May 18 2012 05:46 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
I think OP demostrated he wasnt going to kill anyone directly at the end of the day, he gave 1 warning, so i think he was feeling safe.
Yup, you're right.
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Unforgiven, let's just go with this, from the start of today:
On May 17 2012 03:11 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
i knew it!!! i was right since the beggining of the game.
does that bother you austin?
im not taking any chances now
##Vote austinmcc
Specifically, WHAT are you saying you were right about?
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I'm content dropping that post and this back and forth because I don't think it really gets us any useful information.
So instead, are you still fully happy with voting me? Regardless of whether you are or aren't, are there other targets you'd be willing to vote for?
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On May 18 2012 06:39 Unforgiven_ve wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 06:36 austinmcc wrote:
I'm content dropping that post and this back and forth because I don't think it really gets us any useful information.
So instead, are you still fully happy with voting me? Regardless of whether you are or aren't, are there other targets you'd be willing to vote for? The thing about people lurking is REALLY bothering me, mafias are the only oenss benefiting from this. Hyaach is one, what if we vote for him and he turns townie? it just adds a 3 dead bodie to your list?
If we vote for him and he turns townie, then I continue to make terrible reads. But, EVERYONE we vote for has a chance of flipping townie. I have a chance of flipping townie, and it's what will happen if you lynch me. If Hyaach isn't adding anything at all to town, and mafia is the only party benefitting from lurkers, then at the very least you ought to consider voting for him or crossfire.
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Oh, there's a possibility Bio is mafia  Some confirmed townies had their suspicions on him. He DID play very defensively early on. Either it's mindgames right now that he's looking elsewhere and contributing, or he actually realized that he was boned if he didn't extend his reads further and start considering other possibilities. Or something else, lol.
As to me . . . you say I've been playing with a townie's mind. Maybe I've been carrying that persona since D1. But you should look at two things. (1) My original cases on Brood and on darkfire. I'm not sheeping anyone else at those points, those were legitimate reads that I had. Especially the Brood case, as he wasn't even really being considered until I brought him up. (2) The end of D2/start of N2. Read my posts. I'm legitimately furious that for all the discussion we had, folks (including you) are coming in at the last second and voting yourselves and not contributing. Mafia doesn't want discussion. Sure, if i'm mafia playing with a town's mind then maybe I still make those posts, but I felt I was pretty clear that I was legitimately upset by how the end of D2 played out, and not just faking it.
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Bio, I'm absolutely convinced that 1-2 lurkers are scum at this point. I got really frustrated with it at the end of D2, and tried to actually get some participation today (See starting off with giant bolded names).
Also note that the moment the discussion turns to lynching into lurkers, and the moment the whole town starts discussing them, we get a WHOLE lot more action. Not from Hyaach, but Cross and unforgiven are both here and active for the time being. I'm inclined to interpret that as being onto something.
This last hour or so, like how it seems to go with this game's days, has generated a whole lot of content at the very least. Lots of changes of heart, scheming from both town and mafia, and so I'm not entirely sure what to make of it as this exact moment.
Given that my reads on Brood, darkfire, dahdum, and mufaa were ALL wrong basically, I'm not terribly confident in my choice of lurker. But I've got to assume I'll get something right at some point. If you'd prefer a different lurker, I'm open to changing. Unless Firm comes back in here with some giant encyclopedic case on you that makes everything click, I am dead-set on voting for a lurker today.
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Leaving work and driving home now. Should be back with ~30 minutes to deadline.
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On May 18 2012 07:17 Crossfire99 wrote:
You want to know my schedule today? I got at 7:00 and have been at school all day and didn't get a chance to look at this thread until I got home. How is that suspicious? Weren't you the one trying to get the lurkers contributing more and now you are suspicous of the lurkers who are trying to participate now? Isn't that contradictory? You don't like the lurkers for lurking, but then when they come and try to participate you don't like that they do that? What?
It's going to come across dick-ish, but no. I don't want to know your schedule. I don't care about the reasons why any of us lack time to play, because we're on the internet and we can make up whatever we want.
And no, I don't think it's entirely contradictory. Lurking IS anti-town, it's scummy. Posting can be. Just because you lurked and were scummy doesn't mean you show up and no longer are scummy at all. Posts can look scummy too. Behavior can look scummy. Timing, content, the way a vote moves, that's all participating and can look scummy.
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If anyone voting Hyaach is NOT happy with the lynch, better speak up. Feel like without that vig-shot we'd have been screwed, but at least the last few hours have really pushed things out in the open.
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I think the deadline's passed Firm. Convenient of you to post this, I had figured you were lurking and watching everything go by, seeing what you made of it, like Anac was doing. Guess not.
Do you actually believe me to be scummy? If so, at what point? I'm fine lynching into our lurkers, would you not have been? Do you disagree with the choice of lurker? I don't know that he's the right one either, but I don't buy 3 townie lurkers.
Either you think both Bio and I are scummy, and we have an incredibly inactive town, or something's wrong with your reasoning. If you feel I'm the scummiest because of my vote being the first on Hyaach, then I'd urge you to look at
On May 18 2012 05:09 BioSC wrote:
With regards to WIFOM... yeah. It's getting to that point soon. Plus, it's only going to get worse if we mislynch, which is why I want to find the best possible target.
With regards to Tofu, I suppose I'm going to have to wait to see what the fuss is all about on this "Mega Post". I don't know why it's taken this long for someone to make the post about me, but it is what it is. If Tofu is set on his vote, and I can't convince him otherwise, I feel like my only option would be to look into a lurker lynch, or fall back to my original vote.
I will look through the lurkers filters again as well, though I'm leaning towards Hyaach as being the scummiest lurker right now.
His "suspicions" are simply just a fishnet as of now, with no real reasoning behind them. I'm going to try and see if there are any connections between the 3 lurkers and Mufaa, though as of right now the biggest connection between them is that they were all mostly low post count lurkers >.<
On May 18 2012 05:22 austinmcc wrote:
The ONLY reason I'm not entirely sold on Hyaach is his no-vote. When we already saw Jailbreaker get modkilled, a no-vote from a scummy player feels like way too large of a risk to take.
##Vote: Hyaach
That said, it's not really a town play either. I can only see someone failing to vote if they actually weren't around at all, which would mean he also wasn't getting prodded in QT or anything. For now, my vote's on him. His post today was just "here's what mufaa said" and voting based off of who mufaa had prodded or not. But I don't like holding my vote this late when there are no votes on anyone I find scummy, and (clearly) I've got no problem tossing out the first vote on someone.
At the very end, there wasn't another legitimate target, except me. Either the last remaining scum agrees to bus Hyaach, gahhhhhhhhhhhh
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EBWOP: Just saw Firm's last post and spammed out what I had to start writing something else.
We're past the deadline as far as I know. If Hyaach flips town, then I'm absolutely down to lynch Bio. He'll be confirmed in my eyes, throwing the name out but not being willing to put his neck on the line as the target.
Does voting end at the deadline or the night post?
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Bio caught the same breadcrumb I did looks like.
On May 10 2012 08:56 Hyaach wrote:
this is exactly why i always hated day starts.
just posting to let people know i'm here and ready to jump the big gun!
On May 10 2012 09:02 BioSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 08:56 Hyaach wrote:
this is exactly why i always hated day starts.
just posting to let people know i'm here and ready to jump the big gun! Guys! He said he has a gun! He's OBVIOUSLY SCUM! . . . I kid... or do I?
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