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gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 17 2012 04:50 GMT
#1537
Also, I guess that now we CAN kill sandroba alone next. We can handle 2 Harimoto's later I think, specially if there won't be any more night kills for whatever reason.
Even if sandro is Harimoto it still works.

If there are no more night kills, I say we just get sandro lynched alone once and for all; if there are night kills, well then we need another multilynch (hopefully with sandro on it as well)
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 17 2012 05:04 GMT
#1539
Although...had we just given sandro 3 votes we could have lynched him >_>

*sigh* hindsight is 20/20 and all.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 17 2012 05:54 GMT
#1540
You know people, you are allowed to talk and shit.

Post your thoughts on the Palmar flip and our "plan" please.


We may try something similar in a next day, or maybe we won't.
Scum will just have to WIFOM about it every time we post a plan, and try to follow it and have the chance we'll fuck them secretly, or just out themselves by voting to save each other when they weren't actually in danger of dying.


Of course, all of that after we kill sandroba, that's for real this time (if we try to do another "secret" plan he'll fuck it up again, so no way we are letting him live any longer)
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 17 2012 06:17 GMT
#1542
Pfff, if it wasn't for the fact that there are 2 scum teams I'd tell them to surrender (I don't know how that works with several families though, both have to surrender at the same time to make it work or something?).

Unless there is 1 or more night kills each night from now on somehow, we have this game in the bag.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 17 2012 15:39 GMT
#1545
On May 17 2012 15:42 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 14:54 gonzaw wrote:
You know people, you are allowed to talk and shit.

Post your thoughts on the Palmar flip and our "plan" please.


We may try something similar in a next day, or maybe we won't.
Scum will just have to WIFOM about it every time we post a plan, and try to follow it and have the chance we'll fuck them secretly, or just out themselves by voting to save each other when they weren't actually in danger of dying.


Of course, all of that after we kill sandroba, that's for real this time (if we try to do another "secret" plan he'll fuck it up again, so no way we are letting him live any longer)

The palmar flip wasn't surprising at all. After syllo/WBG flipped, it was painfully obvious he was scum.

I don't think your plan was very good. Sure, we killed Palmar finally, but there was absolutely no discussion on prplhz in the thread. I didn't have a strong feeling that he was scum, and if you had actually bothered to make a case in the thread, I would have said so. I don't like that you're ready to flip people based on your own suspicions and with no discussion, as it can very easily lose us the game if you're wrong.

Why'd you keep your suspicions of prplhz out of the thread?


Why would I keep my suspicions of prplhz out of the thread? Because 60% of you were scum that's why.

I only trust my reads with MZ and ET, and I discuss them with them. I'm not "ready to flip people based on my own suspicions", we talk things through, I'm not controlling the game like a dictator or anything.

I was suspicious of prplhz, because of:
1)His terrible Day 1 (read MZ's case on D1/N1 against prplhz for that)
2)Lack of contributions, lack of reads
3)The reads he had, he justified them only by saying "I'm sheeping syllo"
4)Unconditional support of Palmar without even stating why
5)Unconditional support of a SCUM Palmar without even stating why
6)Not only not cooperating with us (me/MZ/ET), but also going against our plans many times (like that time he gave Palmar 5 votes and saved him from the lynch)

It basically boils down to that.

Also, had we presented our read on prplhz last day, we wouldn't be able to perform our plan and try to get all 3 lynched, since scum would know something was off and may have tried to fuck up our plan in a different way (for instance Palmar or prplhz voting differently, or giving 5 votes to each other or something).


Well people, what I'm expecting of you (or at least from the townie out of you) is to post your reads and who you think the remaining 2 scum (other than sandro) are at the moment, and explain why.

Don't worry, we'll still only kill sandro tomorrow. If my guess is right and scum don't have any more KP, then we won't have any problems with that. We'll lynch sandro and then deal with the remaining 2 scum the next day (on D8)
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 17 2012 16:14 GMT
#1548
What timestamps?

We were talking about killing prplhz/Palmar/etc on Night 5, and on Day 6 Round A we just decided how to get people to vote (NO/YES), and on Round B we decided the "plan". I don't know what else you mean.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 17 2012 18:02 GMT
#1550
We'll see that tomorrow depending on what happens tonight.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 18 2012 03:31 GMT
#1559
Thought so. It seems scum don't have KP left or something

Okay, gonna discuss with MZ/ET some shit and then tell you guys how to vote to kill sandro.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 18 2012 03:38 GMT
#1560
Nobody vote YES or NO yet!

We will come up with a plan soon enough, so don't be hasty

Consider this your warning
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 19 2012 00:48 GMT
#1571
Wiggles, why so silent?

I'm interested in hearing your scum reads. Ever since D4 or so, you only really FoSed Palmar and sandro, nobody else. As you can see, there should be 2 more scum other than those two, and considering there are 5 other players to chose those 2 from, it will be easier for you to find scum, right?

I'm waiting.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 19 2012 00:49 GMT
#1572
Also, yeah, everybody except sandro has already been PMed what to vote.

Please don't share those PMs with sandro, and preferably with no one else, so as to keep scum as much in the dark as possible.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 19 2012 04:14 GMT
#1575
Okay, we'll come up with a voting system shortly, so wait until we do to start voting (yeah yeah same thing as always).

We'll only get sandroba lynched today, so Katina+sloosh+Wiggles will need at least 9 votes to be safe from the lynch.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 19 2012 04:50 GMT
#1577
Voting System for Day 7



Image:

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj144/gonzaw1/Votes-1.jpg

Explanation:


Again, sandro gets 0 votes, everybody else gets more than 9 votes so they are safe from the lynch.

Even if 1 scum outs himself sandroba is still the lynch no matter what, and Katina/Wiggles/ET are safe from the lynch as well.


We accounted sandro's votes because again, he has to put them somewhere. Hopefully he accepts surrender this time and just cooperates with us.


You are allowed to vote now
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 19 2012 05:19 GMT
#1578
EDIT:

We'll only get sandroba lynched today, so Katina+ET+Wiggles will need at least 9 votes to be safe from the lynch.



Yeah, ignore that >_>

I'm just so used to writing "Katina+sloosh+Wiggles" by now that it just stuck
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 19 2012 20:04 GMT
#1587
On May 20 2012 00:39 Katina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 08:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 19 2012 03:45 Katina wrote:
On May 19 2012 03:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 19 2012 03:35 Katina wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
So gonzaw, ET, and myself have been doing the heavy lifting the past few days. I'd like to ask everyone who the final two scum are (we're not gonna worry about sandro right now since he's gonna die).

Wiggles and someone else

Who else?

Well if I had figured that out or come to a conclusion I would have said so silly

-_-

Why are you so unwilling to contribute?

You're rapidly approaching cephiro/VE level of uselessness.

I'm not. I honestly don't know. Going by the votes it seems you would make the most sense for the last mafia on Palmar's team. But if we're going by behavior then I'm not going to point any fingers at you, which is why I haven't. I looked through Pick Your Power Interesting and you were very calm and passive in that game as mafia. It's nothing like what you are doing this game. I raise an eyebrow because you seemed gone/inactive days 2-4ish but on day 1 you were really active and since day 4 you've been here. So I'm not coming to point fingers yet until Wiggles and sandroba are dead and I'm more confident about killing you than anyone else.


What do you think about sloosh then? You say you don't want to point fingers at MZ yet, but what about sloosh?


Also, again, we won't do a multilynch today, we'll kill sandroba alone, so where each vote goes doesn't matter at all if everybody follows the plan
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 19 2012 21:05 GMT
#1588
Omg I almost missed the Champion's League final because of this game >_>
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 19 2012 21:21 GMT
#1589
Penalties!

Anyways people. again, vote according to the plan. If someone votes differently we'll take it as a scum claim and we'll kill him later (like usual).

I guess not much will happen until the flip, so let's enjoy the match! (hmm, I don't really know who to root for, instinctively I want Chelsea to win since I always watch the EPL, but I want Chelsea to lose since I will LOL so much since they'll miss the next year's CL and Spurs will go instead )
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 19 2012 23:53 GMT
#1592
On May 20 2012 08:24 Katina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 05:04 gonzaw wrote:
On May 20 2012 00:39 Katina wrote:
On May 19 2012 08:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 19 2012 03:45 Katina wrote:
On May 19 2012 03:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 19 2012 03:35 Katina wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
So gonzaw, ET, and myself have been doing the heavy lifting the past few days. I'd like to ask everyone who the final two scum are (we're not gonna worry about sandro right now since he's gonna die).

Wiggles and someone else

Who else?

Well if I had figured that out or come to a conclusion I would have said so silly

-_-

Why are you so unwilling to contribute?

You're rapidly approaching cephiro/VE level of uselessness.

I'm not. I honestly don't know. Going by the votes it seems you would make the most sense for the last mafia on Palmar's team. But if we're going by behavior then I'm not going to point any fingers at you, which is why I haven't. I looked through Pick Your Power Interesting and you were very calm and passive in that game as mafia. It's nothing like what you are doing this game. I raise an eyebrow because you seemed gone/inactive days 2-4ish but on day 1 you were really active and since day 4 you've been here. So I'm not coming to point fingers yet until Wiggles and sandroba are dead and I'm more confident about killing you than anyone else.


What do you think about sloosh then? You say you don't want to point fingers at MZ yet, but what about sloosh?


Also, again, we won't do a multilynch today, we'll kill sandroba alone, so where each vote goes doesn't matter at all if everybody follows the plan

It's posts like the one Sloosh made above that makes me sure he's town over anyone else right now.


Wait what? How does that post of his convince you he is town?
That post of his alone makes you think he's more town than me/MZ/ET? Even after we got 2 scum lynched (and will get one lynched soon enough)?
What about the rest of his posts? What about his behaviour? Is it enough "town-like" for you to think one of the "trio" is scum? If so why?

You two seem to have town reads on each other all of a sudden when you guys barely mentioned each other at all before.


Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 06:21 gonzaw wrote:
Penalties!

Anyways people. again, vote according to the plan. If someone votes differently we'll take it as a scum claim and we'll kill him later (like usual).

I guess not much will happen until the flip, so let's enjoy the match! (hmm, I don't really know who to root for, instinctively I want Chelsea to win since I always watch the EPL, but I want Chelsea to lose since I will LOL so much since they'll miss the next year's CL and Spurs will go instead )

Now at this point I'm going to have to raise an objection. When is "later"? There are 7 people alive and you're telling us that if someone diverges we can just kill them later? How is that going to be possible when there are 2 people (sandroba and Mr. Wiggles) that everyone wants dead who are still alive? You went against the plan yesterday and sandroba is still alive and he shouldn't be. I'm not complaining that much because Palmar was my top suspect, but prphlz dying on top of that is suspect.

How are you expecting to hold people accountable if something bad happens? As I said before just by the numbers your little trio there has at least one mafia in it. Getting a townie lynched yesterday instead of just one mafia seems like an incredibly anti-town maneuver. Especially since there doesn't seem to be any more night kills.


Obviously "later" refers to "tomorrow"

sandro will be lynched no matter what, and even if someone votes differently than the plan and outs himself as scum, we can easily get him lynched tomorrow.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 20 2012 00:47 GMT
#1594
Wiggles, that spreadsheet is confusing as fuck.

I already made a spreadsheet with all the votes and shit just so people could stop wasting time making charts of their own (but apparently everybody ignored it)

Here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlDOJgSVEnnPdGlhekd5dU9rVkdJZDlzWnFybmFSV2c#gid=0


Also, I don't really get when you say things like "yeah sloosh can't be scum because then scum woudl triple stack on Day 4 or 6" and shit because you don't explicitely state which mafia family you are talking about or the actual scum team you are talking about


You also don't mention any behaviour at all. Without taking voting patterns into account, do you think ET is scum and sloosh is town?
Anyways, I'm going out and I'll miss the lynch, so I'll leave MZ in charge of things until I come back.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 20 2012 09:41 GMT
#1598
I'm back.

Damn, it was expected that sandro was scum, but I thought he would flip Yokoya.

Even better! Now scum won't be able to win in a 2-2 situation, so we have even more chances to win.
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