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sandroba Mr. Wiggles Meapak_Ziphh prplhz Katina EchelonTee Sloosh Palmar gonzaw For a townie, just cross your name off the list and half of the people are scum. I find it unlikely that the 5 group isn't compromised as it would mean the other 4 are all scum (somewhat possible) - people who are calling the shots, really start figuring out the stuff and lay it out in the open if you think its good to do so. Palmar would you say now that both EchelonTee and Mr.Wiggles are scum according to vote patterns or are you reconsidering your other reads? prplhz do you agree / disagree with whatever Palmar says when he says it? | ||
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I think Palmar is pretending to play the part of the fool, using the Cephiro town-flip as an excuse to abnegate all former reads and get to choose a fresh position without repercussions. On May 14 2012 23:57 Palmar wrote: Cephiro flipping town changes everything, I've been basing other reads of that, so no, everyone can be scum right now. ET and Wiggles could both be scum, sandroba can now be the last member from BC's family which leaves us with a completely undiscovered family so every connection is completely irrelevant. I'll be sure to post shit before daybreak, need to re-read everything. I don't buy it. When I saw the flip, yea I got upset that he flipped town but it didn't mean that all my reads were gone down the drain. It just meant that I would have to account for one more mafia, and according to Palmar's filter his reads were not so rigid that he couldn't account for this without breaking down each read. Yet that is what he asserts in this quote - that all his reads were based on Cephiro scum flip - no town bases reads like that. He doesn't bother explaining to us how sandroba can be the last member, but just assumes it and then declares every connection irrelevant - as if discouraging us from finding connections. He ends on an empty promise - he isn't posting because he wants allegedly wants time to re-read everything (again, I don't buy that). But he never follows up - he says elsewhere that he probably won't get shot because Katina casted doubt on him - then why the empty promise? Why not just use a confidant in prplhz? His insistence on my towniness is also suspicious. I think it is so I will stop being suspicious of him as it is really difficult to call someone who thinks you are town as scum. Take for instance this quote right here On May 15 2012 22:08 Palmar wrote: It seems very unlikely sloosh is scum based on the fact that radfield very vocally supported me and syllogism early in the game. in addition, he also voiced support for foolishness's early case against chaoser which turns out was correct. he was basically backing townies and taking a stance against mafia. He roleclaimed to me on day 1, quite early. I don't think he's scum. No one is seriously discussing that I'm scum yet that is what he spends his time doing - talking about how towny I am. Not only that, this was all based on Radfield (whom I replaced), yet before he thought me suspicious solely on Radfield's voting of Cephiro (which was perfectly explained afterwards by WBG on how it was according to the voting plan) On May 11 2012 02:04 Palmar wrote: That argument is obviously invalid now that it's very hard for me to make a case which would make MZ scum. prplhz still looks very towny because of his interactions with syllogism early in the game. I keep coming back to the fact that Radfield voted for Cephiro early in the game. This is the annoying thing about replacements, he/you are getting away with no responsibility at all from that exchange. I'm re-reading the entire thing to form a new opinion on the game. It's like he is cherry picking whatever information he wants to justify his reads / stance at the given time. Lastly, I'm extremely wary of his 'foolishness' approach where he declares people town, because foolishness eliminated the group down to 2 people (being very clear and staunch with his stance), yet Palmar is doing it with 4 (I'd call it borderline preemptive wishy-washy), and not pursuing his normal style of scumhunting of finding people one by one. Furthermore, it denies any accountability - should we lynch one of the bottom people and they flip town, the worst you could accuse Palmar of is being wrong with a town read. Its an incredibly scummy approach to playing this game. I've been somewhat hesitant with his interactions with Meapak, but now after looking at his responses and actions after WBG and syllo were shot, I'm set. Yes, I think Palmar is scum. | ||
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(but please do it as early as possible as I have limited internet access as I'm moving into summer apartments which doesn't have internet yet and I have to come onto campus to get it) | ||
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ET, that post you thought he sounded towny because, I doubt you could find much else in his filter. I in my dazed sickness posted something stupid - and he blasted it out of the water. But that isn't indicative of his alignment, it just shows he is capable of catching bad logic when he sees it. Whether or not he has demonstrated use of this for town I would highly debate. | ||
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Just a few more pieces and the game will be solved: Could I have some timestamps of when the conversation of the plan went down? I want to cross examine my PMs because something is fishy and I'm becoming pretty certain but more info doesn't hurt. | ||
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7 players. 3 vote one way, 2 vote the other. Either they split and it becomes 4-3 with 1 of them in majority, or they vote same and it ends up 5-2 or 3-4, in which case we can lynch both / one at time whatever. Unless anyone doesn't think Wiggles is scum. Then you should be speaking and I don't understand what you could be thinking. | ||
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Final scum will become more clear with the Sandro flip - right now family analysis is key (or at least what I'm looking at), and I can't discount the possibility of Sandroba being a member of the Harimoto family. | ||
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I'm anticipating also the possibility of scum teams co-operating, and it doesn't make sense to try nailing all of them as it unnecessary for now. If the majority contains my read then I'll reveal it and push for it. | ||
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No one has bothered to make any statement in thread any reservations about his towniness. And the voting system looks like its rigged to allow for the chance of lynching katina as well (by withdrawing all votes). There's no indication that sandroba will comply (no reason for him to, just look at yesterday he can just dump illegal votes). Wiggles can out himself because no one seems to think he is town and the trio can pull off the maneuver they pulled on Palmar and prplhz. I'm thinking that you guys are contemplating a slOosh-katina scum team. I want to know who is pushing for this set up, because I'm thinking its the same person who pushed for Palmar prplhz double lynch. A town-scum double lynch is not good for us. If you think she is scum then you should discuss it in thread. Right now we have 7 players. If we lynch town-scum then its down to 5 players, 2 scum, and there is no guarantee that we will even have the ability to lynch scum as our strong read might get into minorty and we will be forced into this 'I guess we lynch the least towniest person' nonsense. I think katina is town. Which means one of the trio is scum. Bring it out into the thread. Because right now two of you are being deceived (or I'm wrong about katina). So show me how she is scum or how the trio is so definitely town. I'm not planning on going rogue - its clear this game is about co-operation on another level and that pulling a lone ranger is the worst thing that can happen. But I'm voicing serious reservations about how this is being conducted. | ||
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No one has bothered to make any statement in thread any reservations about his scumminess (basically no one is saying he might be town / he looks town) | ||
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If you think Mr. Wiggles is town then please say so. If you think katina is scum please say so. | ||
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Therefore I will spend the rest of my energies anticipating worst case scenario of the 1 scum in the trio if there is one. I'm pretty sure Mr. Wiggles is scum, and a 2-1 worst case scenario is just a matter of the townies identifying each other and splitting 1-1 forcing the final scum into majority. But yea if Mr. Wiggles and katina are both scum you guys should surrender so we can end this game faster and start post game discussions. | ||
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