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On May 02 2012 08:50 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:13 gonzaw wrote:To Cephiro:Dude, I don't get wtf you are doing. Like really. People ask you reads and you start bickering about how you don't need to post them and you are "waiting for the right time" or some shit. Then, you accuse Palmar's "allies" (I guess you mean syllo) that they leak info, and when asked to justify yourself, you go on to spout some mystical bullshit about how "telling you the obvious wouldn't be fun" and shit. Really, you seem to act like Chezinu and those other guys that troll the hell out of games. But why the fuck would you troll this game if you were town? You can't say "Oh you can't use meta because good players change their meta". ...if you are town and play good you don't need to change your meta. In fact, being town you NEED to stay to your meta so people (even those "retards that use meta" (hyperbole here) that you talk about) have it easier to figure out you are town. I can't see any reason why you would willingly change your meta, or act different than it if you are town, specially since you played very good in that game as town; and now you are playing like shit, creating chaos with your bickering, not giving any reads or reasoning behind them, and just running around trolling people. I don't find any town motivation for you to act this way, so I still think you are scum. I'd like people to avoid voting you. Also, wtf is with this? + Show Spoiler +To everyone using "meta": What on earth is wrong with you people? Are you seriously saying that the TL players are so poor that you can just metagame them? How about playing based on what people do this game instead of comparing it to other games. I am starting to get fed up seeing the words "based on meta" come up in every few posts. Okay, if you don't like using meta yourself, then fine, don't use meta yourself. But are you really undermining every use of meta? Are you really saying that every player here is a "Mafia God" who can change metas as they will when they are scum and fool everybody 100% of the time or something? Players here can make mistakes or play badly every once in a while. When they do that as scum we do find them using meta. Why are you against this? Are you just going to assume everybody in this game is Akiyama or Yokoya and that you need elaborate plans and shit to catch them? Do you really think that or are you bluffing now to avoid doing anything constructive? If someone thinks Cephiro is town, please state why you think so. If you really think the correct way for town in every situation is to play "calm and analytical", you're playing the wrong game. The "Basic Handbook Townie", is nowhere neal optimal play in several cases, and there are various valid reasons why one shouldn't. Again I repeat, if you think that or cannot come up for the reasons why, you're playing the wrong game. So tell me this, is it easier to change up your meta to deceive others, or is it easier to read the meta of another player with full certainty?
Wtf? You are still confusing the hell out of me.
What do you mean by "playing the wrong game"?
And what the hell is up with the bolded question? Why the hell would you even try to change up your meta to deceive others if you are town?
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Yeah, I'm done trying to understand Cephiro by now.
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I won't continue anything in PMs because I want all town to know what we are arguing about, and I want all town to know the points I'm arguing about.
If we PM about it, then all that info will be hidden and it would have been pointless to argue in the first place.
I'm not trying to convince YOU of anything, so I don't see why we should continue in PMs.
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I don't get why no one of you would even try to cooperate.
At this rate the lynch could be on any of chaoser, VE or Sheth, and scum can choose whoever they like of them to save or kill, specially considering some players seem that they won't claim what they will exactly vote..
@Cephiro: Okay, so you are tunneling wbg now and being greatly aggressive against him too just for calling you out (effectively another OMGUS)
Noted.
The thing I don't get is why the hell Ace is playing like he's playing. I know people fear him and shit when he's scum because he's cunning, sways people, etc...but unless I'm missing something in PM land he's just completely useless this game. I even doubt he's scum because of that, but fuck he's being so uncooperative and useless it's hard to believe that.
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I said he started tunneling, because it's obvious that's where that is going.
Hey BC, could you come to the thread and contribute and shit? I know you are PMing with wbg because your votes were updated in the spreadsheet.
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EBWOP:
Welp forgot about the "starting" part
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If we want to lynch sandroba we need 15 more votes (10 for the other guys to arrive at 6, and 5 for VE to arrive at 5).
That's basically total compliance from 3 out of those 5 you mentioned, and I doubt all of them will follow it.
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Then maybe start by telling Foolishness/Katina/the ones you trust most to put all players other than VE/sandroba at 7.
Then let the last guy, the one you trust less to put VE on 5 at the last moment (I mean, if he's scum or something, he will still have to put 5 votes on VE as planned, if he does something else VE dies).
We have enough votes to put everybody at 7 votes, and both sandroba and VE at 5 I think.
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^If that happens, then maybe we out 1 scum, but may lose up to 9 townies.
I don't care about "recognizing" 1 or 2 scum if it means it puts us in automatic D2 LYLO.
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EBWOP:
But they will have 5 votes each. That means scum will need 6 votes in total to accomplish that (or well, less votes if they lied about who they voted in the first place).
That's the only way sandro can be lynched. If not then we just don't do shit and let VE die alone
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I think we should also come up with a "safe" formula.
Like, if there are N people in the majority, it takes X votes for a player to be completely safe from the lynch (again just like in the manga they needed 51 to be safe).
That way we don't go overboard with votes (for instance why does Meapak have 9 votes on him in the spreadsheet?)
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Okay, I'm gonna go eat and come back in a few minutes. I guess Protact will have quite a time counting all votes and shit.
I find it worrying that there are so many votes missing though, it's likely Radfield can get lynched too.
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Okay I'm back, so how did the votes ended up in the end?
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Wtf is wrong with you VE?
Every single time you keep ragequitting on D1 and being disruptive as hell.
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Wait, didn't prplz have 9 votes in the spreadsheet? O.o
It said chaoser gave 4 votes to prplhz, but he gave them to Cephiro instead?
Is this right? Or did you guys determine that in PMs but didn't update the spreadsheet?
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And why the fuck did prplz vote for players in the minority?
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So were all the votes according to the PMs you received? Or were some off? (apparently Foolishness implies some are off)
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I don't see how Wiggles having lots of unique voters on him makes him mafia.
Actually, if someone is town, he is supposed to get lots of votes from unique players, so I don't get why you state otherwise.
About sandroba:
VE said he would give his 5 votes to sandroba early enough. If sandroba is scum, then the scumteam would have been pretty confident sandroba would be saved, and would not even need to give him a single vote, specially once they saw VE didn't get a single vote either.
There were also a lot of last-minute claims/votes that shifted the amounts of votes each player had quite quickly, and his scumbuddies may have already sent their votes by that time.
For instance, like 10 minutes before the deadline I think Sheth or chaoser were going to be the lynch with 1 votes each or something. If sandroba is scum, and his scumbuddies weren't in those late-claimers, then I can see how they didn't give him any votes thinking he would be saved from the lynch (which to be honest he was, at least taking into account the prp vote malfunction).
However, if he's scum maybe scum could have at least shifted the attention towards someone else, since the sandroba lynch was in motion very quickly once Round B started. Again, this doesn't tell me much though.
It's speculation, but I don't see how it exempts him. He needs to come to the thread and do something.
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@BC: You are arguing and arguing about being at work and about your vote, but you are not contributing shit at all.
You think Katina, prp and sandroba are scum? Why?
To Sheth:
Apparently syllo said you think I'm scum. If you PMed him that, why didn't you post it in the thread? Any reasoning why you think I'm scum?
Other than that, can you use your ability at finding "mafia symptoms" and tell us who you think is scum and why?
This was the only thing that resembled a scumread in your filter:
On May 02 2012 05:31 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
This is tough to figure out. I'm happy with VE dying honestly. I think his play is just much different then when hes town. There's not much more to say on that issue.
To sandroba:
On May 03 2012 02:05 sandroba wrote:
I caught up and I see a lot of people expecting a "defense" from me. I have no defense, since there is nothing against me besides being inactive, which I was due to being holiday here and I went out, spend time with friends, etc. If you guys read the thread and get this idea out of your head that I must be mafia for being inactive, you will see I am confirmed town. Not a single soul in this game had any problems killing me or even mentioned I was town even when I was being active. Now if we can move on to finding scum that would be awesome. My early reads were MZ an Sheth were likely scum. MZ because of the way he entered the thread in his first posts and Sheth for supporting the plan for no particular reason, just to fit in. I don't believe he would have a solid read on palmar at that point (played with him very little and I don't believe he read a bunch of games for this sole reason) and didn't even want to create max minority, so I can't see why he would support him blindly.
Okay, so those were your "early" reads.
What are your current ones?
Do you have any thoughts on other players?
Also, having nobody "even mention you were town" is a shitty reason for saying you are confirmed town. If you are scum, why the hell would your scumbuddies out themselves trying to save you? VE had already saved you with his votes, they can bus or be indifferent at you all they want and you would be safe (I'd already explained this though).
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As much as I'd like some people dead tonight, we can't let all our vigs shoot without control (if we have any).
We need at least 1 vig with his shot in hand for the next days.
Because if all our vigs are spent, then scum will be completely safe each day if they can get into the minority.
Doesn't matter if we make plans for Round A, scum (a single one or various) can just not follow it, and be completely safe since we don't have vigs to shoot them.
So if we have more than 1 vig, don't shoot all at the same time. If we have only 1, then I'd advise not to shoot at all, unless you think you'll die tonight.
or are 100% sure you'll hit scum.
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