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On May 10 2012 06:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 06:17 Katina wrote:On May 10 2012 06:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Alright I fucked up with Palmar. I thought his plan was retarded and since he's put zero effort into this game I assumed he was scum. I reread his filter and realized that he actually wants to kill the same people I do. For clarity's sake, here's the PM from Bugs that put made me think Palmar is scum. Also for those wondering, WBG never told gonzaw why Palmar was scum, so that link is gone. + Show Spoiler +Original Message From wherebugsgo: Thanks for this, it's very useful. I have an idea, but I'm going to wait on it. In fact I'm going to tell gonzaw and syllo, so that if I die tonight they will know what I think. based on this vote pattern, though, I think Palmar is scum. I will explain it to syllo and gonzaw and if I die tonight they will make the results public. If I don't die I'll do it myself. The reason I'm not telling you now is because I want to play it safe. I want to see if the trend I see continues. Based on what I'm seeing I'm sure it will because it is nearly impossible for that type of trend to be purely accidental. Show nested quote +Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Every day should be in there, just scroll down for the vote tallies. Original Message From wherebugsgo: where are the ones for d2/d3? just in the process of updating them? There's also a handy spreadsheet in there, bugs and I used it to flesh out voting patterns. Sadly, I'm really not sure who to put down as scum in place of Palmar. We'll still go through on the plan I set forward earlier today, we've still got plenty of targets to work with, it just means that I'm gonna need to go back and look through my townies to figure out which one of them is scum Palmar I'm sorry, I jumped to conclusions and now I'm slightly fucked. Since your reads are basically mine, who do you think is the last scum? ....really? He wants to kill sandroba and Cephiro so he's in the clear? Everyone wants to kill sandroba and Cephiro. He has a big post early in the game where he lists a bunch of reads I agree with. He also wanted to kill BC and Chaoser, they can't all be on a different team than he is. Maybe he's doing a massive bus and I'm falling for it but at this point I'm just gonna call occam's razor and worry about him later. We still have a bunch of great targets, once we've killed them then we can worry about finding the last scum or if Palmar actually is scum..
Palmar and BC voted the same the first two days. Palmar and chaoser have voted differently for 3 days now. Palmar cannot be on the same team as BC or Chaoser.
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On May 10 2012 06:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 06:26 Katina wrote:On May 10 2012 06:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 10 2012 06:17 Katina wrote:On May 10 2012 06:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Alright I fucked up with Palmar. I thought his plan was retarded and since he's put zero effort into this game I assumed he was scum. I reread his filter and realized that he actually wants to kill the same people I do. For clarity's sake, here's the PM from Bugs that put made me think Palmar is scum. Also for those wondering, WBG never told gonzaw why Palmar was scum, so that link is gone. + Show Spoiler +Original Message From wherebugsgo: Thanks for this, it's very useful. I have an idea, but I'm going to wait on it. In fact I'm going to tell gonzaw and syllo, so that if I die tonight they will know what I think. based on this vote pattern, though, I think Palmar is scum. I will explain it to syllo and gonzaw and if I die tonight they will make the results public. If I don't die I'll do it myself. The reason I'm not telling you now is because I want to play it safe. I want to see if the trend I see continues. Based on what I'm seeing I'm sure it will because it is nearly impossible for that type of trend to be purely accidental. Show nested quote +Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Every day should be in there, just scroll down for the vote tallies. Original Message From wherebugsgo: where are the ones for d2/d3? just in the process of updating them? There's also a handy spreadsheet in there, bugs and I used it to flesh out voting patterns. Sadly, I'm really not sure who to put down as scum in place of Palmar. We'll still go through on the plan I set forward earlier today, we've still got plenty of targets to work with, it just means that I'm gonna need to go back and look through my townies to figure out which one of them is scum Palmar I'm sorry, I jumped to conclusions and now I'm slightly fucked. Since your reads are basically mine, who do you think is the last scum? ....really? He wants to kill sandroba and Cephiro so he's in the clear? Everyone wants to kill sandroba and Cephiro. He has a big post early in the game where he lists a bunch of reads I agree with. He also wanted to kill BC and Chaoser, they can't all be on a different team than he is. Maybe he's doing a massive bus and I'm falling for it but at this point I'm just gonna call occam's razor and worry about him later. We still have a bunch of great targets, once we've killed them then we can worry about finding the last scum or if Palmar actually is scum.. Palmar and BC voted the same the first two days. Palmar and chaoser have voted differently for 3 days now. Palmar cannot be on the same team as BC or Chaoser. idk what your point is, I think that's what I'm trying to say. I just said that I don't think Palmar is scum anymore.
You said you don't think Palmar is scum. You said this because he has had the same reads as you from the start of the game. You listed these reads as BC and chaoser. I'm telling you that it's very unlikely Palmar is on the same team as BC or chaoser. Therefore your reasoning for thinking Palmar as not scum is silly. Nobody is bussing anyone.
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On May 10 2012 06:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 06:46 Katina wrote:On May 10 2012 06:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 10 2012 06:26 Katina wrote:On May 10 2012 06:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 10 2012 06:17 Katina wrote:On May 10 2012 06:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Alright I fucked up with Palmar. I thought his plan was retarded and since he's put zero effort into this game I assumed he was scum. I reread his filter and realized that he actually wants to kill the same people I do. For clarity's sake, here's the PM from Bugs that put made me think Palmar is scum. Also for those wondering, WBG never told gonzaw why Palmar was scum, so that link is gone. + Show Spoiler +Original Message From wherebugsgo: Thanks for this, it's very useful. I have an idea, but I'm going to wait on it. In fact I'm going to tell gonzaw and syllo, so that if I die tonight they will know what I think. based on this vote pattern, though, I think Palmar is scum. I will explain it to syllo and gonzaw and if I die tonight they will make the results public. If I don't die I'll do it myself. The reason I'm not telling you now is because I want to play it safe. I want to see if the trend I see continues. Based on what I'm seeing I'm sure it will because it is nearly impossible for that type of trend to be purely accidental. Show nested quote +Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Every day should be in there, just scroll down for the vote tallies. Original Message From wherebugsgo: where are the ones for d2/d3? just in the process of updating them? There's also a handy spreadsheet in there, bugs and I used it to flesh out voting patterns. Sadly, I'm really not sure who to put down as scum in place of Palmar. We'll still go through on the plan I set forward earlier today, we've still got plenty of targets to work with, it just means that I'm gonna need to go back and look through my townies to figure out which one of them is scum Palmar I'm sorry, I jumped to conclusions and now I'm slightly fucked. Since your reads are basically mine, who do you think is the last scum? ....really? He wants to kill sandroba and Cephiro so he's in the clear? Everyone wants to kill sandroba and Cephiro. He has a big post early in the game where he lists a bunch of reads I agree with. He also wanted to kill BC and Chaoser, they can't all be on a different team than he is. Maybe he's doing a massive bus and I'm falling for it but at this point I'm just gonna call occam's razor and worry about him later. We still have a bunch of great targets, once we've killed them then we can worry about finding the last scum or if Palmar actually is scum.. Palmar and BC voted the same the first two days. Palmar and chaoser have voted differently for 3 days now. Palmar cannot be on the same team as BC or Chaoser. idk what your point is, I think that's what I'm trying to say. I just said that I don't think Palmar is scum anymore. You said you don't think Palmar is scum. You said this because he has had the same reads as you from the start of the game. You listed these reads as BC and chaoser. I'm telling you that it's very unlikely Palmar is on the same team as BC or chaoser. Therefore your reasoning for thinking Palmar as not scum is silly. Nobody is bussing anyone. He also wants to kill cephiro and sandroba as you already pointed out. Between the four people we've named that's basically the rest of the mafia.
Everyone wants to kill Cephiro and sandroba, so I hardly call that a bus.
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Palmar > Wiggles.
Don't see how this is even an argument. I am fine with chaoser and Palmar dying.
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On May 11 2012 15:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Gonna repost this real quick Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 12:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Well that was unfortunate even if expected. However the game's over. WBG and I worked out a finalized scum list.
Team A: Cephiro, BloodyCobbler, Chaoser
Team B: Sandroba, Palmar, Mr. Wiggles
If the townies could please PM me, I've got a plan that will maximize the number of scum in round A so we can finish this quick. So I'm pretty close to figuring out who the scum to replace Palmar is. It'll be interesting to see if Cephiro shoots into the other team tonight or if the other team decides to finish him off. Either way, tomorrow things are going down in a similar manner as today, those of the above who fall into the majority are gonna get instakilled.
I know who the scum to replace Palmar is...
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it's Palmar
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On May 12 2012 04:08 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 03:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I highly encourage you to step up and prove that. I am willing to change my mind if presented with significant evidence that I'm wrong. Want proof of that? I thought Cephiro was town for the first few days.
You're foolishness's protege, amaze me. This is why there is still hope for you if you are town, young padawan. Katina, do you also think that I am the last scum in the Yokoya posse?
No. sandroba is.
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Palmar's filter is bad. Honestly looking through his filter this is the best post I could find.
On May 11 2012 05:59 Palmar wrote:
We're killing chaoser today, that's not the question.
Anyone who votes chaoser will be considered autoscum for the rest of the game.
@Katina: you never answered my question about sandroba. Do you think he's scum?
I kind of don't mind dying, this game is much less fun now that I don't have syllo to talk to. If that's what it takes for you derps to pull your heads out of your asses and realize what's going on, then sure, don't vote me.
As I've already explained, MZ's change of stance basically confirms him town, no scum would ever commit to a case on a townie and then back off, that only draws suspicion their way. I still stand by the notion prplhz is confirmed town.
chaoser, sandroba and cephiro are scum. I'm actually backing off the idea that gonzaw could be one, I re-read most of yours filtes and he seems very townie. Katina still looks terrible, of course she looks even worse since to myself I'm confirmed town, but when I flip drill her for why the hell she did what she's doing. She's also been on the wrong side of sandroba's voting plenty of times.
The last scum is either ET or Wiggles, after re-reading. sloosh is asking perfectly valid questions, and my initial town read on Radfield means a lot, even if that vote on cephiro was stupid as shit, I don't think radfield was paying too much attention, but he did sound like town early on.
And that is still sad for being the best post I could find. More of posting a list of reads, saying if they are town or mafia, then going back to one liners and not doing anything. syllogism was hard core defending him and Palmar just used that as an excuse to not do anything. Day 1 he made a stupidass plan that did nothing but distract the town from more important matters. Though that day he was actually active. Now that syllogism is dead he is back to making semi-good posts like the above. In between though he did nothing because syllogism was defending him. He used that as an excuse to not help the town. And he hasn't helped the town at all.
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On May 12 2012 05:22 prplhz wrote:
Your filter is bad Katina.
I'm sorry, but I don't see you on the player list. Who are you again?
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On May 12 2012 06:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Katina you're pretty aggressive for someone who hasn't done anything. If you actually think Palmar is scum you're really gonna have to do better than that.
He distracted the town day 1. He has hardly contributed anything. His filter is one liners mostly. He doesn't call people retarded like anyone would expect out of him.
What more is there to say? Your reasoning for saying he's town is that he has had the same reads as you. But those reads are sandroba and Cephiro. Everyone wants to kill those two. Hardly a reason for thinking he's town.
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I thought we figured that one out days ago =.=
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On May 14 2012 01:47 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 22:58 Palmar wrote:
MZ is the most likely player in the thread to be town, and while I agree with him I'm perfectly fine with this fairyland. Uh, Meapak_Ziphh is supporting a plan that would end in dead Palmar.
At least one of myself, Palmar, Meapak_Ziphh is mafia from the minority list. Unless Meapak is going to come claim mafia we need to kill Palmar.
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Meapak still going to defend Palmar? ahhh young love so cute <3
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On May 14 2012 13:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Like seriously why the fuck would you ever give sandroba votes. Had he not done that it would have been 5 V 3, 4 V 3 after night kills. Town would have been in a great position to win. I know this should be left to post game but I think what he did counts as playing against your wincon.
You seem pretty certain there's going to be night kills...
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On May 15 2012 07:35 slOosh wrote:
Katina are you calling Meapak scum? Or misguided? How about prplhz?
Not really. His reasons for thinking Palmar is innocent are silly. I don't actually think he's mafia but then again I have no idea who could be on Palmar's team other than Wiggles.
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On May 16 2012 03:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 00:10 Katina wrote:On May 15 2012 07:35 slOosh wrote:
Katina are you calling Meapak scum? Or misguided? How about prplhz? Not really. His reasons for thinking Palmar is innocent are silly. I don't actually think he's mafia but then again I have no idea who could be on Palmar's team other than Wiggles. Katina I'm sick of you half assing this game. Put in some goddamn effort and give us some ACTUAL reasons. I don't know, maybe write an analysis, maybe have more of a thread presence, maybe PM people and at least pretend like you're interested. After the cephiro flip I blew up all my reads and started over again and let me say this katina, it's foolishness's insistence that you're town which is preventing me right now from putting you in the majority and lynching you this cycle. Play the game.
I have been sir.
I do not mean to overstep your pride here. Let me say again that your reasons for thinking Palmar is innocent are silly. I don't say this in an accusatory way; it's the truth. I don't think you are mafia, but as I said I don't know who the last member on Palmar's team is (I think Wiggles is one of them).
You said that Palmar is innocent because he has had the same reads as you from the start. That does not indicate anything about alignment. Palmar has wanted to kill sandroba and Cephiro (these are the two you listed). But everyone wants to kill those two. Also it makes the most sense that sandroba is the last member of BC's team. So Palmar isn't bussing one of his teammates.
The most incriminating piece of evidence is that Palmar was virtually derping when syllogism was alive. That's cause syllogism was hard core pushing his innocence especially in PMs. I know Foolishness and wherebugsgo were both suspicious of Palmar but syllogism made it hard for them to push that read. That and there were more important targets at the time. If you look through Palmar's post history you will see he was most active day 1 and then in the previous days since syllogism's death. Palmar was using syllogism as an excuse to not do anything. With syllogism constantly pushing his innocence he did not have to try at all, either in the thread or PM. He has only stepped up his posting since syllogism died, whether he's stepped up in PM land or not I don't know.
Even if you want to start pointing guns at me, you still need to explain why Palmar deserves a free pass. Cause this isn't about me, it's about Palmar. And like I said at least one person out of you, me, and Palmar has to be mafia. Unless you're going to claim mafia I'm not stopping until Palmar is dead.
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Have to leave early today so sent in my votes as planned
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How do you plan on guaranteeing to us that only sandroba will die tomorrow?
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On May 18 2012 03:02 gonzaw wrote:
We'll see that tomorrow depending on what happens tonight.
O.o I know this is called "liar" game mafia but that doesn't mean you have to be so blatant about it!
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On May 18 2012 05:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 03:26 Katina wrote:On May 18 2012 03:02 gonzaw wrote:
We'll see that tomorrow depending on what happens tonight. O.o I know this is called "liar" game mafia but that doesn't mean you have to be so blatant about it! Actually yeah we kinda do :/ The plans for tomorrow are contingent on tonight. I hate to put it bluntly, but if you don't cooperate with us then we'll have no choice but to treat you as scum.
I have been cooperating from the start. It's not an issue of that. It's the fact that there are 7 people alive and 3 are mafia. Thus it's getting to the point where it's becoming likely that either you or gonzaw are mafia. I don't think either of you are, just going by the numbers. And if one of you are then we have a bigger problem on our hands than worrying about who the last mafia is or getting sandroba killed.
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On May 19 2012 02:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
So gonzaw, ET, and myself have been doing the heavy lifting the past few days. I'd like to ask everyone who the final two scum are (we're not gonna worry about sandro right now since he's gonna die).
Wiggles and someone else
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