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Foolishness
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On May 03 2012 03:27 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 22:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 02 2012 22:25 Palmar wrote:
So do you have a solid town read on Sheth? Do you have a solid town read on WBG? And feel free to answer my questions on your own time, I never said I expected you to be awake at night, just don't expect me to be awake at night to post questions for you.
Why did you sign up if you didn't have time to play the game? Do you really think that being around for the first 2 hours of every phase is enough? You're going to be held accountable for what you do.
I actually don't believe that in the remaining 22 hours of the first phase you never found the time to change your "no" to "yes", thus I'm going to be working under the assumption you did it intentionally. I need to figure out why.
Can you give me your top 3 town and scum reads? I am unsure of sheth and bugs was compiling a list of voters to ensure that the only two to be lynched were going to be VE and roba. Nothing roba has done has swayed me in believing that he is town so I was fine with his lynch. I had mixed reservations about VE but as they were the only two on the docket I made sure no one else got random lynched due to lack of votes. As for signing up if I don't have enough time? I have been around directly after phases begin, and 2ish hours before the phase ends. Given that my work schedule is one that typically 4 out of 7 days in a week I can have solid amount of time to do things then It is no issue. As for signing up if I don't have time to play? You do not need to invest your life into a game of mafia to have time to play it. As for changing my vote? All votes are absolute and may not be changed according to the OP. No reason to believe that incog or ver is lying about that. I am glad that you intentionally view people negatively who follow what the hosts say though. As for top scum reads? Katina, prpl, and roba. Town reads are near useless to post so I won't bother. The game is about finding mafia not finding town. You merely get the advantage of the second as you start lynching / vigi'ing mafia. For someone who says the game is about finding mafia you have sure done a dandy job. You have conveniently picked easy targets to attack and have provided next to nothing when it comes to analysis. In fact your filter just has you posting your scum reads in a list like the one above and that's it. I also love reading your big walls of text on the past few pages. Talking about plans nobody cares about; diverting attention away from important posts and the votes and arguing with the person who has the biggest ego. Why if I didn't know better it seems like you are the textbook example of mafia play. :O egads!
Is there anyone that actually does not want BC to die?
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On May 03 2012 04:17 Ace wrote:
*yawn*
People are still alive in this game? What's taking so long to kill everyone?
You check your role PM yet?
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On May 03 2012 04:27 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 04:22 Foolishness wrote:On May 03 2012 04:17 Ace wrote:
*yawn*
People are still alive in this game? What's taking so long to kill everyone? You check your role PM yet? why? are you my scum buddy?
No. I was hoping you could just PM Protactinium a ##Shoot: BloodyC0bbler just in case you had a gun.
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Foolishness
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Ace
Palmar
Foolishnesss
Syllogism
Bloodyc0bbler
wherebugsgo
Katina
Gonzaw
There are at least 2 mafia in that list. I have a lot of town reads of people in that list and sadly you are one of the leftovers.
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On May 03 2012 07:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Now lets take a gander at mr foolishness.
Foolishness strong read as well. Why? Because he made a case on someone only to dump it to pursue 2 other people who were far easier lynches. He provided no real reason as to why he changed his mind and then proceeded to put votes onto the person he had analyzed as mafia to keep said person alive. Factor in Katina is his protege and has ignored her shifty behaviour leads me to believe he is infact red. Give more to this and see that he posted the minority list and generically said "i think 2 of this list is mafia" but didn't clarify who he believes is red aside from me and gave no real substance to back it up. When asked for his reads rather than quickly name the people with even a point form reason as to why they are red he just vanishes completely. Pro stuff.
I realize now that I made a case on someone then didn't follow up. That is because I doubted myself after chaoser responded and also because a lot of people disagreed with my case. So I decided to focus elsewhere for the rest of the day. I told a lot of people this in PM land (they can all vouch for me) but I see that I was not clear in the thread. For that I am sorry and that is my bad.
I do not think Katina has had shifty behavior. I have talked with her a lot and feel she is being clear and concise. If you are going to go so far as to call her my protégé then you should believe my read of her since I know her best (though I guess if you think I'm mafia this point is moot). Also I don't see anyone jumping on that wagon; chaoser called her scum but never said anything more; 1 or 2 people in PMs told me they also thought she was town. This doesn't mean it's bad for you to analyze her nor am I calling you out on it, I'm just saying I disagree with your read and it seems most people do as well.
I explained the reasoning earlier in the game. Mafia families are not going to put all 3 members on the same answer (Yes or No) as this really increases their chance of being in the majority (and thus increases their chance of dying). Thus the mafia families are going to split the votes 2-1 (2 of their members vote one way, the other member votes the opposite). This means that on any given Minority/Majority list there is between 2 and 4 mafia inclusive. So now that Ace is dead I can post the following list:
Palmar
syllogism
BloodyC0bbler
Foolishness
Katina
gonzaw
wherebugsgo
and say that there are 2 mafia in that list (and maybe 3 or 4). It's quite simple how I reached my conclusion from here (I've had PMs with people to vouch for me on my thoughts). As I said above I think Katina is town. I also think wherebugsgo is town (further given by how much he helped the town yesterday). I think gonzaw is town because he is being clear and concise about his reads. I think syllogism is town because his frustration day 1 seemed genuine and I don't think someone would react the way he did if they were mafia. I thought Ace was being clear and making sense (and he posted the strategy for the game which at the time I was the only other person who thought of that) so I thought he was town.
That left you (BloodyC0bbler) and Palmar as the 2 mafia. Strangely I thought Palmar was town from his day 1 play though I'm not so sure anymore. And I'll be honest I thought your posts were pretty lackluster at the beginning of day 1 (but now that you are here posting more this is not so accurate). That's how I arrived at the conclusion you were mafia.
And I realize that I've provided next to no analysis on why you are mafia. And I see why this may be bothering you a lot (or any other player for that matter). But I am the person famous for saying, "sometimes the best way to figure out who is mafia is by figuring out who is not mafia".
Other players have brought up a few good arguments against you already. There are some things to be said about you.
Either way I'm confident there are 2 mafia in that list. I realize you are going to say it's me and Katina, but I'm more interested in hearing what other people have to say about that.
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Foolishness
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When a mafia dies will you reveal which family they are a part of?
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I vote we either kill BC or Cephiro (or both!)
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BloodyC0bbler
syllogism
Palmar
gonzaw
Foolishness
Katina
wherebugsgo
Who are the two mafia? I know who one of them is!
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On May 05 2012 16:30 syllogism wrote:
Foolishness I would be very interested to hear who you would like to lynch tomorrow.
sandroba/Cephiro. I don't see how there can be much debate anymore about this. Though I suppose I can get behind a Sheth lynch.
Palmar
syllogism
Katina
gonzaw
Foolishness
wherebugsgo
There is a very very high chance that there is one mafia in that list (and that mafia is not on BC's team). By process of elimination I still advocate that it is Palmar as I more strongly believe the rest are townies (yes I know syllogism, you are 99% Palmar town).
I just want people to be aware of that and thinking about it in the future. I'm not advocating we shoot Palmar or anyone else in that list right now. Attention should be shifted to the other list from day 1, as I think it's likely there are 4 mafia in that list (and I'm definitely sure there's at least 3).
I'd also like to point out the minority list from day 2:
chaoser
Liquid`Sheth
Mr. Wiggles
Radfield
sandroba
syllogism
Again we should assume there are at least 2 mafia in this list (of opposite families). At least one person in this list is part of BC's family. Let's assume that sandroba is mafia. Given how he was nearly killed day 1, I think it's safe to assume that sandroba's two mafia members were in the majority list day 2. Their mafia team voted 2-1 with sandroba as the 1 so that he would have a stronger chance of being in the minority (and thus we would not be able to kill him). So if sandroba flips mafia it is safe to assume that nobody else on the above list is on his team.
If sandroba is mafia, then there's two mafia on the same team in the majority list. I think it's most likely that BC and sandroba are on the same team. I would also put Cephiro as their third member. Here's the majority list for day 2 again:
BloodyC0bbler
Cephiro
EchelonTee
Foolishness
gonzaw
Katina
Meapak_Ziphh
Palmar
prplhz
wherebugsgo
Since BC is mafia, and since everyone seems to agree that there is only 2 mafia in the day 1 minority list, it is also safe to assume that one of BC's allies is in the above list. This goes back to Katina's argument about the cycles. Mafia teams will always vote 2-1 and will alternate between members who is the 1. This is because they don't not want to continuously vote the same 2-1 as it will become very suspicious later on in the game that the same people are voting the same way.
What am I getting at? First day BC's mafia team made BC the 1 and his other two members were the 2 and in the majority. Day 2 and the switch to a different member. Which member is most likely to switch to? sandroba.
Is it likely that sandroba is part of the other mafia team? I don't think so. That means we need 2 people in the day 2 majority list who are on his team, one of which is from the day 1 minority list. As the day 1 minority list has players everyone seems to perceive as town, and going that mafia team's cycle, this would mean that there are 4 mafia (including BC) in the day 2 majority list. That basically means that of the following players:
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EchelonTee
Foolishness
gonzaw
Katina
Meapak_Ziphh
Palmar
prplhz
wherebugsgo
there are 3 mafia. I don't find it reasonable that there are 3 mafia in the above list, but if I had to choose it would be Cephiro, Meapak, and Palmar. But even then that's a big stretch as I believe syllogism when he says Palmar is town and I'm leaning town on Meapak.
That was a bit confusing. My overall point is that if sandroba is mafia then he's on the same team as BC. I also think it's likely that each of the day 2 minority/majority lists have 3 mafia in them.
For the long run, I think it makes sense to kill sandroba/Cephiro first. We then shoot into chaoser/sloosh/Sheth/maybe Meapak. Either way we shoot into the day 1 majority list.
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