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Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 02 2012 22:04 GMT
#491
Wow, nice job medics/jailers! Going to bed now.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 03 2012 06:55 GMT
#502
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On May 03 2012 10:18 WhySoMuch wrote:
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On May 03 2012 06:34 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay so here we go!

I've been thinking about the D1 lynch alot. What is puzzling me is the fact that we actually got a scum on the very first day,aka very rare in mafia. Looking at the people voting we can see that:

Veriat: (7): yomi, The_Zen_Man, WhySoMuch, Pure-SC2, Splinter[eP], Mordanis, O.Golden_ne
The_Zen_Man (1): Veriat
Yomi (1): Jailbreaker
AcesAnoka (1):Lazermonkey
WhySoMuch (1): nreekay324

Haven't voted (1):AcesAnoka


So Veriat was scum and Jailbreaker was townie. Now if we assume that noone that voted On Veriat was scum then two of me, nreekay324 and AcesAnoka/Marvellosity must be scum.

Now as for myself, I was seriously thought that Aces was looking way scummier than Veriat at the point of the lynch. I went to bed at about 22:00 and at that point where I left there were alot of indecisiveness on who to lynch. Thus I wasn't able to change my vote, although I'm not trying to archive town cred as I still think Aces looked more scummy in D1.

While I can't be 100% sure that Marv/Aces is town, it makes alot of sense. nreekay324 could very well be scum tho. I still think that the odds of BOTH this players being scum is relativly low. + Show Spoiler +
However, it is possible now that I am actually checking filters. During the 3 pages Marv posted this far he BARLY mentions nreekay324. nreekay324 himself is at first very suspicious against Aces, although when Marv replaces him he suddenly change his mind on him to town. This is somewhat strange to me...


This means that someone in the inner circel, the ones who voted for Veriat in the first place must be scum. I still have a hard time seeing, Pure or Mordanis being scum as they were the ones who pushed for the vote at Veriat.

Note that I'm in fact not including The_Zen_Man. I'm not sure what to think anymore about him. Yes it is true that he posted the first case on Veriat but he didn't actually push the case at all after that. It was Pure and Mordanis who did. during D2 he have posted not much at all. He states that he still think that WhySomuch is scum. I feel he is tunneling a little bit to hard atm and abusing the fact that he is "forever town" after D1. This is alot of WIFOM but for me he has at least lost his never-vote status. I'd say it's most likely he is town atm but not 100%.

The other people in the circel:
Golden: Still leaining town here.
WhySoMuch: I'm not sure about this guy at all. As I'm lazy I will not post any evidence and such of this tho : ).

I'm thinking that one out of Golden, The_Zen_Man and WhySoMuch is probebly scum. The most likely one is WhySoMuch but I don't want to be too fast on dissmissing the others!


Conflicting tone in this post.

You are sure that there is one scum on Veriat, and you go on to say that 4 of the 7 people (2 are dead) are some degree of town reads, and yet, you are "Not sure about this guy at all" at me. Shouldn't you be fairly sure I am a mafia? And as such shouldn't you be willing to make a case on me.

And then you go on to not limit your options by adding the underlined clause.





I have you as my highest scumreads atm.

What limits do you want? I'm 63% sure that you are scum atm?

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On May 03 2012 13:55 WhySoMuch wrote:
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On April 29 2012 15:22 Lazermonkey wrote:
Wow, such a nice day-1 kill! I wasn't at home last night but I followed the drama from my phone : P


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On May 03 2012 06:34 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay so here we go!

I've been thinking about the D1 lynch alot. What is puzzling me is the fact that we actually got a scum on the very first day,aka very rare in mafia. Looking at the people voting we can see that:

Veriat: (7): yomi, The_Zen_Man, WhySoMuch, Pure-SC2, Splinter[eP], Mordanis, O.Golden_ne
The_Zen_Man (1): Veriat
Yomi (1): Jailbreaker
AcesAnoka (1):Lazermonkey
WhySoMuch (1): nreekay324

*Snip*

Now as for myself, I was seriously thought that Aces was looking way scummier than Veriat at the point of the lynch. I went to bed at about 22:00 and at that point where I left there were alot of indecisiveness on who to lynch. Thus I wasn't able to change my vote, although I'm not trying to archive town cred as I still think Aces looked more scummy in D1.

*Snip*


Can I ask you something sir.

How can you follow all the drama on your phone if you are asleep?

If you weren't asleep, then you very well could have changed your vote but you didn't.

Either way you are lieing somewhere here. So why are you lieing?


I can already feel today being a good day. This is gonna get better btw. this is just the start



Because I'm scum or because I don't remember things. you choose!

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On May 03 2012 14:02 WhySoMuch wrote:

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On April 28 2012 06:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
@The_Zen_Man
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On April 28 2012 05:41 The_Zen_Man wrote:
@Lazermonkey In that post a merely stated some of my opinions on some players.I posted several other similliar opinions on some other players. And concerning how i like how AcesAnoka put a pressure vote on yomi is because i liked it. We were all thinking why yomi voted, but we needed a statement from him. Also, the vote would tell us more why nreekay324 voted for whysomuch. + Show Spoiler +
On April 28 2012 05:41 The_Zen_Man wrote:
@Lazermonkey In that post a merely stated some of my opinions on some players.I posted several other similliar opinions on some other players. And concerning how i like how AcesAnoka put a pressure vote on yomi is because i liked it. We were all thinking why yomi voted, but we needed a statement from him. Also, the vote would tell us more why nreekay324 voted for whysomuch. And if AcesAnoka would want to go for a bandwagon on someone, why not whysomuch, who already had 2 votes on him? That seems to me like a town behavior. Also, if i was his "scumbro", wouldnt i support his voting on yomi before? Not vote with him or something, just some few posts about it. And yet i haven't done that.

The reason for my defensive stance is beacuse i've had to explain some suspicions on me, not really any more than that. If you read my filter, you would know that. It seems like you are trying to find suspicious behavior on me, and you are not afraid on going far in your accusations. You did manage to inflate a few comments on AcesAnoka to me being his "scumbro" .Is it because on of your scum-buddies got some heat and you are trying to direct eveyones attention elsewhere? nreekay324 for example has been getting some heat lately.

Atm im not sure about you, you haven't posted enough for me to be sure of you.



That seems to me like a town behavior. Also, if i was his "scumbro", wouldnt i support his voting on yomi before? Not vote with him or something, just some few posts about it. And yet i haven't done that.

The reason for my defensive stance is beacuse i've had to explain some suspicions on me, not really any more than that. If you read my filter, you would know that. It seems like you are trying to find suspicious behavior on me, and you are not afraid on going far in your accusations. You did manage to inflate a few comments on AcesAnoka to me being his "scumbro" .Is it because on of your scum-buddies got some heat and you are trying to direct eveyones attention elsewhere? nreekay324 for example has been getting some heat lately.

Atm im not sure about you, you haven't posted enough for me to be sure of you.




I feel you are just not reading/being stupid once again here. Alot of things in this post are plain wrong.
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And if AcesAnoka would want to go for a bandwagon on someone, why not whysomuch, who already had 2 votes on him?

Both of the votes on AcesAnoka(or at least Yomi's, can't say too much about nreekay324 yet) were not serious. There was never a possibilty of bandwagoning here.

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Also, if i was his "scumbro", wouldnt i support his voting on yomi before? Not vote with him or something, just some few posts about it. And yet i haven't done that.

No you wouldn't. Having two people out of a sudden sharing their opinions on a weak case would make you look scummy as hell. It's a common way to play scum, you split your opinions. So this doesn't prove your innocence.

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You did manage to inflate a few comments on AcesAnoka to me being his "scumbro" .Is it because on of your scum-buddies got some heat and you are trying to direct eveyones attention elsewhere? nreekay324 for example has been getting some heat lately.

I even said in my post that my case on you and AcesAnoka being scumbros were a weak one. But the fact that you are still seem to think highly of Acec just makes me wonder more.

Once again you post a somewhat confused post. It's like you aren't reading the posts well enough because you seem to miss alot of what is happening. You are still being overly defensive imo, which is not standard town play. And you always attack the one who are suspicious of you. First WhySoMuch, then nreekay324 and last me. Have it actually struck you that we might not be suspicious of you because we are scum but rather that we actually think your play is strange?

Overall I still think your just town. I don't think your play looks like town, but it doesn't look like scum either.

Going to bed now, will be much more active tommorow!


You just made an extremely long post criticizing everything that The_Zen_Man had done, You even say that he is being "overly defensive imo which is not standard town play" and yet your conclusion is that he is "just town". How is that possible?

Then your last line you say you " don't think his play looks like town, but it doesn't look like scum either", yet you still call him a town. Why are you afraid to call him mafia, you laid out almost a whole case on him and still you think he's town? it doesn't make sense.

Also your phrasing of "just town". What do you mean by this?


Because while his play was confusing in the start, I strongly felt his motives didn't match the ones of scum. And if he were townie, which I still think although I'm not as certain as I was one day ago, I think he should step up his posting alot.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 04 2012 05:33 GMT
#577
Okay so I have somewhat of a confession to make regarding the Phone-Veriat thing. I wasn't following in on my phone, I did not go to bed 22:00. Why did I write this? Well, I was fucking scared of the possiblity to get lynched. Last game I several times posted stupid thing all the time which resulted in me getting misslynched D2(aka I was townie). Before the D1 lynch I was not convinced at all that Veriat was scum. So I wanted to apear good townie in not voting for him as 95% of D1 lynches end in a misslynch. After Veriats flip I understood that my I understood that my Vote on Aces would look rather suspicious so I decided to ignore the Veriat-case for quite some time in order to avoid suspicion. When I posted my case before the night post I wanted to underline the fact that I was unable to change my vote, which of course wasn't true.


Because I'm scum or because I don't remember things. you choose!

Was just a really something I wrote in panic-mode, trying to throw of the suspicion of me. I'm sorry for this!
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 04 2012 18:55 GMT
#624
I'm sorry for not posting in a while, I've been really busy IRL. Will be posting as fast as I can now!
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 04 2012 19:40 GMT
#630
[QUOTE]On May 05 2012 04:07 The_Zen_Man wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 27 2012 13:33 O.Golden_ne wrote:

[QUOTE]On May 03 2012 22:09 O.Golden_ne wrote:
Sorry guys, personal life has been crazy the last few days and i'm afraid i have to pull out of this Mafia game. i'm sorry everyone, things have just been crazy at home and i'm starting my new job this week and i really didn't realise how much thinking this game takes up. sorry, i hope a replacement can be found. I've PM'd artanis/ [/QUOTE]

It is very strange for people to leave this late in the game, as most of those people often leve early. Maybe this is a action done out of fear from the suspicoins that was rising against him. Maybe his scum bro convinced him that a replacement of him would benefit the mafia, as suspicoins of him might decreace.

Making this post has made me more suspicous of golden, and in turn sexdoll. That is why i will vote for him now.




##Vote: SexDoll [/QUOTE]
Wouldn't this be like, as much WIFOM as it could possibly get?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 04 2012 20:18 GMT
#638
Reading through the thread I see most people are suspicious of Golden/SexDoll. I wasn't sure that he was scum before but reading what everyones been posting I feel more convinced now than before. I havn't really been able to find any new things on him tho. I'm okay with voting him tho, as I still feel he have passed WhySoMuch on my scum-list.

Regarding The_Zen_Man - I feel my post was very rushed two days ago. What I meant to say was that The_Zen_Man didn't deserve his "untouchable" status he gained after D1. While it may be WIFOM to discuss I feel it is a great possibilty that he posted a case on Veriat in order to look contrubuting and all. That was how I feelt two days ago. After the day one lynch he have always been the one who jumps on teh bandwagon. First with WhySoMuch, when the vote then swang he quickly were in favor of a lynch Jailbreaker. He then jumps on SexDoll woth only a few hours left to post. His only arguement against Golden seems either to be WIFOM or saying that he wasn't contributing. All in all, if SexDoll flips scum I will be convinced that he is town. If not, I am quite positive to that he is scum.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 04 2012 20:30 GMT
#640
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On May 03 2012 21:57 The_Zen_Man wrote:
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On May 03 2012 06:34 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay so here we go!

I've been thinking about the D1 lynch alot. What is puzzling me is the fact that we actually got a scum on the very first day,aka very rare in mafia. Looking at the people voting we can see that:

Veriat: (7): yomi, The_Zen_Man, WhySoMuch, Pure-SC2, Splinter[eP], Mordanis, O.Golden_ne
The_Zen_Man (1): Veriat
Yomi (1): Jailbreaker
AcesAnoka (1):Lazermonkey
WhySoMuch (1): nreekay324

Haven't voted (1):AcesAnoka


So Veriat was scum and Jailbreaker was townie. Now if we assume that noone that voted On Veriat was scum then two of me, nreekay324 and AcesAnoka/Marvellosity must be scum.

Now as for myself, I was seriously thought that Aces was looking way scummier than Veriat at the point of the lynch. I went to bed at about 22:00 and at that point where I left there were alot of indecisiveness on who to lynch. Thus I wasn't able to change my vote, although I'm not trying to archive town cred as I still think Aces looked more scummy in D1.

While I can't be 100% sure that Marv/Aces is town, it makes alot of sense. nreekay324 could very well be scum tho. I still think that the odds of BOTH this players being scum is relativly low. + Show Spoiler +
However, it is possible now that I am actually checking filters. During the 3 pages Marv posted this far he BARLY mentions nreekay324. nreekay324 himself is at first very suspicious against Aces, although when Marv replaces him he suddenly change his mind on him to town. This is somewhat strange to me...


This means that someone in the inner circel, the ones who voted for Veriat in the first place must be scum. I still have a hard time seeing, Pure or Mordanis being scum as they were the ones who pushed for the vote at Veriat.

Note that I'm in fact not including The_Zen_Man. I'm not sure what to think anymore about him. Yes it is true that he posted the first case on Veriat but he didn't actually push the case at all after that. It was Pure and Mordanis who did. during D2 he have posted not much at all. He states that he still think that WhySomuch is scum. I feel he is tunneling a little bit to hard atm and abusing the fact that he is "forever town" after D1. This is alot of WIFOM but for me he has at least lost his never-vote status. I'd say it's most likely he is town atm but not 100%.

The other people in the circel:
Golden: Still leaining town here.
WhySoMuch: I'm not sure about this guy at all. As I'm lazy I will not post any evidence and such of this tho : ).

I'm thinking that one out of Golden, The_Zen_Man and WhySoMuch is probebly scum. The most likely one is WhySoMuch but I don't want to be too fast on dissmissing the others!


Lazermonkey, i don't know exactly what to make of this. I will leave the d1 lynch part for anylyzing later, now i want to answer to your "suspicions agansit me. Basically, you say that altough i made a case and voted for Veriat early i am suspicous because i didn't push for the lynch. This makes no sense, why would i write a case and vote for him if i didn't want him lynched?

Also, i have only posted one post about WhySoMuch, not tunneled him that hard. The reason i choose him is because i dind't have that strong scum reads on anyone else. But if you want me to go on other people too i can do that. I can start with you. Pure wrote a post including many suspicous things, and reading it made me very suspicous of you. Also, reading this post made me suspicous as well. I, like pure and WhySoMuch, also saw the "Watched the drama on the phone" thing, and now you say that you went to sleep 22.00?



As for the D1 lynch it could be explained in two ways.
1). You were were throwing suspicion at basically everyone at this point. You wanted to look like you were contributing and thus you posted at Veriat aswell, thinking that noone would care about your case. And if Veriat eventually would flip scum you could have some sort of insurance that you would look like town.
2). It was planed all along with Veriat himself.

As for analysing other players, you never posted anything after this post. And yes, I know the phone-thing was noobish like hell but you are quoting Pure atm. Is this your only analysis of me?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 04 2012 20:35 GMT
#643
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On May 05 2012 05:25 SexDoll wrote:
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On May 05 2012 05:18 Lazermonkey wrote:
Reading through the thread I see most people are suspicious of Golden/SexDoll. I wasn't sure that he was scum before but reading what everyones been posting I feel more convinced now than before. I havn't really been able to find any new things on him tho. I'm okay with voting him tho, as I still feel he have passed WhySoMuch on my scum-list.

Regarding The_Zen_Man - I feel my post was very rushed two days ago. What I meant to say was that The_Zen_Man didn't deserve his "untouchable" status he gained after D1. While it may be WIFOM to discuss I feel it is a great possibilty that he posted a case on Veriat in order to look contrubuting and all. That was how I feelt two days ago. After the day one lynch he have always been the one who jumps on teh bandwagon. First with WhySoMuch, when the vote then swang he quickly were in favor of a lynch Jailbreaker. He then jumps on SexDoll woth only a few hours left to post. His only arguement against Golden seems either to be WIFOM or saying that he wasn't contributing. All in all, if SexDoll flips scum I will be convinced that he is town. If not, I am quite positive to that he is scum.


give examples about the bolded as quickly as possible please
Basically marv's case.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 04 2012 20:35 GMT
#645
EBWOP failed me quoting SexDoll -.-
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 04 2012 20:42 GMT
#647
On May 05 2012 05:35 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Lazermonkey: It seems like this post is rushed as well. First tell me this, what is more scumlike, posting a case that convinces several people to vote for a scum, or voting for the other guy and lie about the circumstances of the voting?

Regarding my vote on Jailbreaker, that was done so that we would reach a majority.

Also, i was asked of an opinion of Golden/SexDoll, and when i was investigating him to form a opinion i found him suspicous.

Frankly, i feel like it is a waste of time to be answering to all of these accusations from you Lazermonkey, as they are often weak and lacking in many things. If you really want to prove that you are town, try to contribute with some analysis and cases.

Obviously lying is. But that is not the point.

And majority would've been reached with or without you vote. It didn't matter. Sure if we were one vote short and it was 15 minutes to lynch-time. But this was not the case.

I don't think it's a waste of time. You've been 100% confirmed town since D1 and have had an insanly easy time to blend in. Yet if you ignore your case on Veriat I'd say you would be a very strong scumread for me.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 04 2012 20:44 GMT
#648
On May 05 2012 05:40 SexDoll wrote:
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On May 05 2012 05:35 Lazermonkey wrote:
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On May 05 2012 05:25 SexDoll wrote:
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On May 05 2012 05:18 Lazermonkey wrote:
Reading through the thread I see most people are suspicious of Golden/SexDoll. I wasn't sure that he was scum before but reading what everyones been posting I feel more convinced now than before. I havn't really been able to find any new things on him tho. I'm okay with voting him tho, as I still feel he have passed WhySoMuch on my scum-list.

Regarding The_Zen_Man - I feel my post was very rushed two days ago. What I meant to say was that The_Zen_Man didn't deserve his "untouchable" status he gained after D1. While it may be WIFOM to discuss I feel it is a great possibilty that he posted a case on Veriat in order to look contrubuting and all. That was how I feelt two days ago. After the day one lynch he have always been the one who jumps on teh bandwagon. First with WhySoMuch, when the vote then swang he quickly were in favor of a lynch Jailbreaker. He then jumps on SexDoll woth only a few hours left to post. His only arguement against Golden seems either to be WIFOM or saying that he wasn't contributing. All in all, if SexDoll flips scum I will be convinced that he is town. If not, I am quite positive to that he is scum.


give examples about the bolded as quickly as possible please
Basically marv's case.


that case was made a while ago and you said didn't find Golden scummy before, and you also just said that you're read on me changed because of "what everybody's been posting about me". EVERYBODY and HAS BEEN. plural and present tense.

it's likely that lazer is just jumping on me because I'm a very possible mislynch

Yes, but like I said I've been super busy IRL. The only thing I've had time to write theese two days was a hasty apology post.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 04 2012 20:52 GMT
#653

that case was made a while ago and you said didn't find Golden scummy before, and you also just said that you're read on me changed because of "what everybody's been posting about me". EVERYBODY and HAS BEEN. plural and present tense.

it's likely that lazer is just jumping on me because I'm a very possible mislynch

EBWOP: nreekay324 also posted a case on you. The_Zen_Man aswell although I thought his case was weaker. All in all, I thought marv made the best one and thus why I mentioned him first.
Yes, but like I said I've been super busy IRL. The only thing I've had time to write theese two days was a hasty apology post.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 04 2012 21:02 GMT
#657
On May 05 2012 05:49 The_Zen_Man wrote:
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On May 05 2012 05:42 Lazermonkey wrote:
On May 05 2012 05:35 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Lazermonkey: It seems like this post is rushed as well. First tell me this, what is more scumlike, posting a case that convinces several people to vote for a scum, or voting for the other guy and lie about the circumstances of the voting?

Regarding my vote on Jailbreaker, that was done so that we would reach a majority.

Also, i was asked of an opinion of Golden/SexDoll, and when i was investigating him to form a opinion i found him suspicous.

Frankly, i feel like it is a waste of time to be answering to all of these accusations from you Lazermonkey, as they are often weak and lacking in many things. If you really want to prove that you are town, try to contribute with some analysis and cases.

Obviously lying is. But that is not the point.

And majority would've been reached with or without you vote. It didn't matter. Sure if we were one vote short and it was 15 minutes to lynch-time. But this was not the case.

I don't think it's a waste of time. You've been 100% confirmed town since D1 and have had an insanly easy time to blend in. Yet if you ignore your case on Veriat I'd say you would be a very strong scumread for me.


I am still conflicted on wether to vote on you or SexyDoll, as you are equally scummy. Could some other people post their views on Lazer and SexyDoll?

WTFLOL? You havn't been posting anything suspicious on me at all. Why do you post a super long case on Golden/Sexy not even mentioning me and now when I first point at your actions as scummy you immediatly respond by saying that we should vote me? Can you please tell me what you think is so suspicious about me? And why do you say you want other people to post their views but yet you don't post your own.

This post is... -.-
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 04 2012 21:10 GMT
#659
So as far as voting goes, we don't have a majority on SexDoll yet, rite? And with the The_Zen_Man climbing miles in my Scum-O-meter in an instant I don't even know WTF to think anymore.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 04 2012 21:20 GMT
#664
I kinda want to go to bed atm, going up like rly early next morning. I'm sticking with SexDoll. If he flips mafia -> The_Zen_Man is probebly just bad. If he flips town ->The_Zen_Man is probebly scum.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 04 2012 21:20 GMT
#666
##Vote: SexDoll
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 05 2012 15:45 GMT
#707
I'm not sure I will be able to post anything before daypost :S. But I will try to get my thoughts out as soon I can.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 05 2012 21:30 GMT
#711
On May 05 2012 02:09 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Golden/SexDoll is starting to look more and more suspicous to me as more people post cases against him and not only WhySoMuch. Before i thought of him as a good townie, who made some cases and encouraged others to do the same. But his leave from the game is very strange, especially since he left not long after marvellosity said he was compiling a post about him. Also, much of what sexdoll says confuses me. Either he is using advanced logic all the time or he is using fail logic all the time. He has gone up to a big spot in my scum reads. I will wait and observe SexDoll some more before i can form a proper opinion, but for now i can say that i am suspicous of him.

So much in this post is strange... You first think of him as a good townie but you change your mind. Your arguments for this seems to be kind of weak. You think the way he left the game was strange, but that's just to discuss WIFOM at insane levels. And then some random things about advanced logic. Yes, Golden/SexDoll were scummy at the time but not for the reasons you said.

On May 04 2012 17:50 The_Zen_Man wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 04 2012 09:57 SexDoll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 04:53 Lazermonkey wrote:
Reading through the thread more closely this time.

@AcesAnoka - His posts are just scummier and scummier. Something to add on the case against him are the last posts before he goes to bed. He first is very suspicious about yomi, but when both Golden and Splinter posts some good cases against him he quickly responds with:
On April 28 2012 02:24 AcesAnoka wrote:
##unvote

I haven't thought of it the way you just posted, Yomi.

I need nreekay to explain himself though.

I understand that he needs to go to bed but basically what he does is fleeing from all the allegations by saying '' this case was bad, hope u forget about it till tomorrow''.

@The_Zen_Man Must say that he is acting way to defensive atm. At least if he is in fact a towine. Up untill just an hour ago all he had posted was defensive posts in response to WhySoMuch. He then makes a summary posts which just made me even more puzzled. His conclusions just seem to be way off. The one I was most suprised about was:
On April 28 2012 03:05 The_Zen_Man wrote:
AcesAnoka: You seem suspicous to me. You're first comment was rather strange, but i know you shoulnd't judge someone too much based on what they first wrote. I think it was a good thing you put that pressure vote on yomi, after all it did give a response from him.

It's almost like you didn't read anything but the very first pages. Alot of people, me including, have been thinking that AcecAnoka's behavior was more then just strange. This is NOT only due to his first post but mostly due to the yomi-debate. And I don't understand what you mean with I think it was a good thing you put that pressure vote on yomi, after all it did give a response from him.. The only thing yomi said was what everyone was thinking: that he was just trying to start a discussion.

Now this is alot WIFOM. But it IS possible that AcesAnoka were trying to go for a cheap bandwagon on yomi and when he realized that it all failed utterly he was quick to abandon the ship. His scumbro The_Zen_Man tries to to cover his teammate by giving him a relativelynice review in his summary post.

Imo The_Zen_Man seems like a confused townie tho and not lynch worthy at all atm. AcecAnoka on the other hand seems quite a bit suspicious to me still.


reread a little more of lazermonkey because of that other post I quoted earlier and cus I saw whysomuch voting him and think this post is interesting.

Lazer post is a defence of zen_man with an attack on aces (who I think is a likely towno). It's interesting because both cases are very thin and he has fairly strong opinions in opposite directions on each of them.

If Lazer is a scummo, he's very unlikely to take this position if aces and zenman are both towndawgs. It's too viable for ppl to go either way on both of these ppl for him to take such a hard stance on them if they were both townspeople. Scum will either back off on these ppl to let the townsos make a bad decision, or they will chose the line of reasoning that makes either of them more likely to be scum.

SOOO given my initial reads on lazer and aces, if lazer flips scum, we can probably turbolynch thezenman the next day


Please make a better explanation to why i should be "turbolynched" if lazer flips scum?

Also, try to read all of the thread before forming a opinion.



It might be because you just don't understand what he meant but frankly, what was it that you didn't understand with this? And you once again take a super defensive stance right of the bat.

Finally we have the crazy post:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 05 2012 05:49 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 05:42 Lazermonkey wrote:
On May 05 2012 05:35 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Lazermonkey: It seems like this post is rushed as well. First tell me this, what is more scumlike, posting a case that convinces several people to vote for a scum, or voting for the other guy and lie about the circumstances of the voting?

Regarding my vote on Jailbreaker, that was done so that we would reach a majority.

Also, i was asked of an opinion of Golden/SexDoll, and when i was investigating him to form a opinion i found him suspicous.

Frankly, i feel like it is a waste of time to be answering to all of these accusations from you Lazermonkey, as they are often weak and lacking in many things. If you really want to prove that you are town, try to contribute with some analysis and cases.

Obviously lying is. But that is not the point.

And majority would've been reached with or without you vote. It didn't matter. Sure if we were one vote short and it was 15 minutes to lynch-time. But this was not the case.

I don't think it's a waste of time. You've been 100% confirmed town since D1 and have had an insanly easy time to blend in. Yet if you ignore your case on Veriat I'd say you would be a very strong scumread for me.


I am still conflicted on wether to vote on you or SexyDoll, as you are equally scummy. Could some other people post their views on Lazer and SexyDoll?


...


On May 05 2012 06:31 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Lazermonkey: I don't know where you got thw whole "If he flips town ->The_Zen_Man is probebly scum", but if SexDoll flips town i would say you are a more probable scum.

In what way? Your jumping on the bandwagon and change your opinion on who is most likely scum 3 times in 24 hours. You got super defensive when I just started to pressure you. If he would've flipped scum I still would've thought you were town as I have a hard time to belive that you bussed both of your teammates.

All this in just a couple of hours. The_Zen_Man could very well be playing a very tricky game here. He is by far my strongest scumread atm.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 06 2012 19:05 GMT
#757
What killed us was the D1 lynch preatty much. Yes, The_Zen_Mans save and Mordanis shot was nice too but I think you guys would've won even without them. I really didn't get Veriat's play at all. He basically saced himself and got us suspicious just after the first day. The reason I lied about not being able to switch vote was simply way for me to save him. But I really think I should've either bussed him hard or at least try to save him.

I'd like to hear some opinions about my play, pref from Nova and/or Pure as they were in my last game. Did you think I played well?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 06 2012 20:32 GMT
#763
cool, ty for our opinion Nova and Pure!
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