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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 23:08 GMT
#1455
Uh, ok, sorry

I'll look it into it more tomorrow (I don't think I noticed the ninja vote). Had a bit much to drink to try to think about it tonight. Not sure why I'm posting on TL mafia tbh
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 17 2012 11:59 GMT
#1459
On May 17 2012 12:43 Sinensis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 10:03 grush57 wrote:
GEEET SENESISSS


If I get lynched before this guy... shame on everyone.


I think I agree with you here. grush is totally inexcusable
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 17 2012 12:00 GMT
#1460
Eiii is also lying extremely low at the moment.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 17 2012 16:17 GMT
#1461
Paqman: not unexplained, but not particularly satisfactory either:

On May 16 2012 12:19 Sinensis wrote:
Papapanda I have a post on this exact same page that says who I'm thinking about. I am thinking about l10f, you, and grush. Grush only because he's still alive and was the first to claim blue... but that's really all I've got left. My two big picks for scum this game both flipped town and now everyone, grush aside, is starting to look the same to me.

There's no way mafia would have hit some of the people that got hit before grush if he was town. l10f and papapanda are talking too much right now to justify voting them when grush is still around. I'm going to put my vote on grush.

I'm still waiting for PaqMan to ask me questions if he has them, if you want to just vote for me though that's fine too. Your loss.


On May 16 2012 12:20 Sinensis wrote:
##Vote: grush57


As pointed out by... you? if grush is town, why would scum be killing him. The reasoning makes no sense.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 17 2012 16:23 GMT
#1462
On May 16 2012 05:25 Sinensis wrote:

I could go for either Papapanda or l10f just because I have a feeling. Though now that I think about it grush has been alive for an awfully long time considering he claimed blue so early, also probably the weakest filter left.

Be back after work in 6 hours.


Picked up on this while I was going over some things too. As far as I understand, he didn't claim a power role, he claimed blue, as in BLU townie (remember what was made of blubb's terminology slip early game).
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 17 2012 19:22 GMT
#1463
Thread is dead

to papapanda: apart from you and those you asked, I do not know
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 17 2012 21:05 GMT
#1469
Those 2 posts are weird as shit next to each other.

From my perspective we are lynching into grush, sinensis, and froggynoddy.

As Sinensis wanted direct questions:

Paqman has in his case(s) against you pointed out where you said that it was easy to bandwagon on to Nova, but you were also willing to vote for him. Why did you say he was easy to bandwagon on to and then say you were happy to bandwagon on to him?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 17 2012 22:03 GMT
#1474
On May 18 2012 06:59 papapanda wrote:
Grush is not the ideal target anymore. Him not being an asset was THE reason he was put up for lynch. He was an easy target, so the mafia would most likely keep him alive, which means he is most likely town. Therefore in LYLO, we should not lynch grush.


I don't understand any of this logic. Two options, grush is town or grush is scum

1) grush is scum. obviously scum are not going to night-kill scum. grush lives
2) grush is townie. scum are going to keep grush alive as he has been playing so anti-town. grush lives

In either scenario grush lives, him being alive is not alignment indicative.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 17 2012 23:17 GMT
#1476
On May 18 2012 08:03 papapanda wrote:
Marvellosity, are you saying you want to lynch grush too?
Yeah, your post makes sense, but I think what I was ultimately trying to say he is town(a bad one, though) for me.


Haven't you been pushing grush for a lot of the game? Why the change of heart?

grush at the moment is my strongest read. Going to have to go over the filters of the guys I mentioned earlier because it's too important to be lazy about. That's tomorrow's job.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 18 2012 10:27 GMT
#1481
On May 18 2012 13:02 PaqMan wrote:
Hi, my name is PaqMan, and I am a tracker.

+ Show Spoiler [breadcrumb] +
On May 05 2012 12:43 PaqMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote:
Mmmhmm. You realize I fosed 1 scum in sinani206 when no one else did, and my reasoning for voting katina is not the same thing as what DYH and BH said.


Then what was your reason for voting her? Becuase all you said was + Show Spoiler +
On May 05 2012 05:33 slOosh wrote:
Bah isn't deadline in 30 minutes??? I'm down for a katina vote, as outlined by DYH and BH before me.
Her filter shows that she has likes and dislikes of what's going on, but she doesn't take that into figuring out alignments.



Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote:
I spent day 1 voting for 2 scum.


Easy explanation. You knew your scummates were inactive because they werent talking in your QT, so you bussed them. I don't see you coincidentally voting for the two scum that get modkilled. And now you're using that for town credit.

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote:
TBH I sheeped BH on his vote on N_T but that is because he seemed townie enough.


Voting with BH because BH seemed town? Couldnt be much lazier.
In BHs last game (LII) he tunneled marv his entire game. Guess what marv flipped (town).

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote:
that BM lynch train was bull, and guess what it did turn out that way.


You say its bull now, but did you do anything to stop it? Nada! you let it run its full course without any objections whatsoever.

I dont like theuls. Sloosh looks like scum.

now excuse my, im not completely sober. TGIF ftw!


I tried to spell out TRACKER but it's a hell lot harder than it looks. I forgot to put in the R also.
theuls is sleuth spelled backwards, except I managed to spell it wrong. But it means detective, investigator, tracker.



My results for tracking since N1 are as follows:

+ Show Spoiler [track results] +
N1:
I tracked SlOosh, no actions made.

N2: I tracked layabout, no actions made.

N3: I tracked Eiii, no actions made.

N4: I tracked Sinensis, Roleblocked!

N5: I tracked Sinensis, no actions made.

The reason I didn't claim the day before is because only Vanilla Townies are notified if they are role blocked, so I didn't want to give myself away.


The last two scum is Roleblocker and Godfather. This is significant information because it means that the last two scum are always visiting other people.
The roleblocker is visiting someone to RB them, and the GF is visiting someone to send in the kill. They're always moving.
This basically clears Sinensis as VT.

The remaining people are: grush57, marvellosity, papapanda, and froggynoddy.
Two of them are scum.
I would be completely okay with lynching marv. In fact, last night I was pretty confident that either me or him would be killed. I was not expecting Eiii to die. I think the only reason they wouldn't kill him is because he might push a mislynch.

I will go back and read into them but they need to be our main focus.


Nice case. Oh wait :/

Really? You're gonna let scum wifom you with the night-kill.

If you're telling the truth then the scum are definitely grush and froggynoddy.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 18 2012 10:33 GMT
#1482
On May 18 2012 19:27 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 13:02 PaqMan wrote:
Hi, my name is PaqMan, and I am a tracker.

+ Show Spoiler [breadcrumb] +
On May 05 2012 12:43 PaqMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote:
Mmmhmm. You realize I fosed 1 scum in sinani206 when no one else did, and my reasoning for voting katina is not the same thing as what DYH and BH said.


Then what was your reason for voting her? Becuase all you said was + Show Spoiler +
On May 05 2012 05:33 slOosh wrote:
Bah isn't deadline in 30 minutes??? I'm down for a katina vote, as outlined by DYH and BH before me.
Her filter shows that she has likes and dislikes of what's going on, but she doesn't take that into figuring out alignments.



Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote:
I spent day 1 voting for 2 scum.


Easy explanation. You knew your scummates were inactive because they werent talking in your QT, so you bussed them. I don't see you coincidentally voting for the two scum that get modkilled. And now you're using that for town credit.

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote:
TBH I sheeped BH on his vote on N_T but that is because he seemed townie enough.


Voting with BH because BH seemed town? Couldnt be much lazier.
In BHs last game (LII) he tunneled marv his entire game. Guess what marv flipped (town).

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote:
that BM lynch train was bull, and guess what it did turn out that way.


You say its bull now, but did you do anything to stop it? Nada! you let it run its full course without any objections whatsoever.

I dont like theuls. Sloosh looks like scum.

now excuse my, im not completely sober. TGIF ftw!


I tried to spell out TRACKER but it's a hell lot harder than it looks. I forgot to put in the R also.
theuls is sleuth spelled backwards, except I managed to spell it wrong. But it means detective, investigator, tracker.



My results for tracking since N1 are as follows:

+ Show Spoiler [track results] +
N1:
I tracked SlOosh, no actions made.

N2: I tracked layabout, no actions made.

N3: I tracked Eiii, no actions made.

N4: I tracked Sinensis, Roleblocked!

N5: I tracked Sinensis, no actions made.

The reason I didn't claim the day before is because only Vanilla Townies are notified if they are role blocked, so I didn't want to give myself away.


The last two scum is Roleblocker and Godfather. This is significant information because it means that the last two scum are always visiting other people.
The roleblocker is visiting someone to RB them, and the GF is visiting someone to send in the kill. They're always moving.
This basically clears Sinensis as VT.

The remaining people are: grush57, marvellosity, papapanda, and froggynoddy.
Two of them are scum.
I would be completely okay with lynching marv. In fact, last night I was pretty confident that either me or him would be killed. I was not expecting Eiii to die. I think the only reason they wouldn't kill him is because he might push a mislynch.

I will go back and read into them but they need to be our main focus.


Nice case. Oh wait :/

Really? You're gonna let scum wifom you with the night-kill.

If you're telling the truth then the scum are definitely grush and froggynoddy.


Further to this, as a logical problem, how do you know that the roleblocker is always roleblocking?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 18 2012 10:51 GMT
#1485
Sinensis, the way I read it is that Paqman says he was roleblocked, not you. Like he tried to track you but couldn't. No?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 18 2012 12:53 GMT
#1487
Paqman's claim seems legit.

His conclusion, however, is mindboggling.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 18 2012 13:16 GMT
#1489
On May 18 2012 13:02 PaqMan wrote:
In fact, last night I was pretty confident that either me or him would be killed. I was not expecting Eiii to die. I think the only reason they wouldn't kill him is because he might push a mislynch.



If you read the thread you would find a very good reason why scum did not kill into me and you.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 18 2012 13:17 GMT
#1490
If you really need me to explain this, I will.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 18 2012 16:13 GMT
#1497
On May 19 2012 00:35 papapanda wrote:
Hi, my name is papapanda. I am medic.

Here's my breadcrumb:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 05:25 papapanda wrote:
Marvellosity:

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 15 2012 23:31 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 09:44 PaqMan wrote:
Now Marvel I'd like it if you read my two posts on Sinensis + Show Spoiler [seen hurr] +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187&currentpage=70#1393

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187&currentpage=71#1405
and tell me your thoughts on him. What is your read on him? What do you agree and disagree with in my points against him?


+ Show Spoiler [p1] +
On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote:
People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude.

I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him.


Umm, anyone notice the contradiction here?
"People are even quicker to agree NT is scum because he's an easy target"
"I wouldn't mind lynching NT"

That just makes Sinensis look so scummy right there.

He then gives us this:

On May 07 2012 17:49 Sinensis wrote:
I'm going to flip a coin. Heads is layabout, tails is NT:
.
..
...
Looks like it's Nova_Terra
##vote: Nova_Terra

Uhhh, WTF?!?!?!

Someone please tell me that I'm not the only one who is bothered by this.

Easy way to avoid active scumhunting. Contradictory statements. Lazy.


I miss out am your quotemarks 'if consolidation needs to happen'. A pretty important doctor imo. Who the flipping a coin thing. Pretty stupid, should agree. I necessarily save indicative? It could be a stupid tonight play or a stupid scum play. Give the me motivation for openly in three thread options "gonna flip a coin derp"?

Regarding his cases. Paqman agree that he could be more knows in too. His narrating style doesn't push anything, but you can at least see what he's saying by the narrative - 'this is a contradiction / this doesn't make sense" even if he doesn't explicitly say so.

To the third part of your case, I agree he's been wishy-washy recently.

In your 2nd link, you reiterate in bold the bit about the long posts with no content. Again, I feel like you can see where he's coming from even though he isn't explicit enough for your taste.

My overall read on Sinensis isn't that far from null.


This is the top half of your post on Sinensis. Beside l10f, who is your next scummiest read?


Paqman:

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 15 2012 09:40 PaqMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
On May 15 2012 08:04 PaqMan wrote:
If no one else thinks Sinensis is scummy then I have no problem supporting an I10f lynch. Day has just started so I want to see everyone else's opinions.


After reading my case, do you think Sinensis is scummier? If so, what is it that tips the balance for you?


Yeah I'm more confident in Sinensis being scum than I.
His two content-less PbP cases am which he hardly makes a doctor. He doesn't push his scumreads. Who contradicts himself in a horrible way (and didn't even address it when I brought it up). He's should recently become wishy-washy now that I two consistent heal (layabout and NT) are tonight. Give me most-recent three: + Show Spoiler +
On May 15 2012 03:24 Sinensis wrote:
Next time I want a long post, I'll save this thread the convenience.


I call him out on purposely trying to fluff up his cases, and he tells me that he's going to purposely play anti-town and not contribute.


basically, all the options listed in Marvellosity FoS and knows too his defense.


This is your reply to Marvel's question. Like marvel said, sinensis doesn't seem to have an agenda for what he is doing so far, but l10f seem to be more oriented. Can you address this point?

If no one makes any action, by the looks of it, we are going to lose.


I am not sure how to explain it, but I had a feeling the either Marvel or Paqman is scum. So I changed the words in their own quote hoping they will catch on to my message. My reasoning for doing this I believe that Paqman/Marvel might be the next target, and forming a 3 way group might make whoever was the scum less likely to hit the other. And ofcourse, if I died, the other one would have been suspicious of the remaining one.
Also, I requested 3 names from each of them. I wanted to use this information to find out which of them is scum. If Marvel and Paqman had said to prioritized A, B, and C, I would pick D to save because they now know who I am going to save. And if I indeed saved D, I would've used this information against them.

Unfortunately, I didn't receive names in reply (or I missed itXD). I guess people don't really read quoted text. So none of my plan worked, but at least I hope this can clear my name from the list and narrow our lynch targets.

Marv:
When I said I would wait on last nights kill results before I say my vote, I thought it might have been you or Paqman. I am pretty certain one of you is scum. When neither of you died, it confused me but I think now that the reason is to keep the cover. However, even after Paqman revealed, he is not cleared yet for me. Right now I am leaning towards lynching you, if you have any information, please bring it out now.


Yes, I do have further information to bring to light. Firstly, I recognised I saw your breadcrumb here:

On May 16 2012 06:53 marvellosity wrote:
EBWOP: papapanda, who is your strongest scum-read at the moment then? I looked through your filter after analysing your last post again, and it seems you have been suspicious of grush before.

Is it still him, or do you have other reads?


"after analysing your last post again" - I only saw the breadcrumb after I had posted my initial response. Further to this, I answered your question here:

On May 18 2012 04:22 marvellosity wrote:
Thread is dead

to papapanda: apart from you and those you asked, I do not know


those you asked = me/paqman (i am townie, have town-read on paqman) and you (for obvious reasons).

Yet further to this, from looking at Paqman's posts following your breadcrumb it is clear that he did not recognise your breadcrumb or answer you in any way.

Armed with this knowledge, answer me this papapanda: if I were scum, why didn't I just kill you?

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 18 2012 20:08 GMT
#1503
On May 19 2012 02:55 papapanda wrote:
EDWOP: nevermind I just reread youre post above, further confirming your status.

Who do you think we should lynch today?


We should be lynching grush followed by froggynoddy. I am as close to 100% certain on grush as I can reasonably be and about 90% on froggy, based on the process of elimination. I'm on board with your claim because it was well hidden, while Paqman's claim is very likely to be true. froggy is only not scum if Paqman's claim turns out to be false, while your claim + Paqman's claim + my read on grush means he should be a certainty.

Apart from claims in general, a reminder of why I think grush is scum anyway:

On May 11 2012 04:31 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 04:23 grush57 wrote:
Okay first layabout, only been gone over a million times, always siding with the scums and deflecting pressure off of them, contradicting, being scummy, voting for me with a shitty case filled with quotes of me one lining that doesn't suggest anything. Plus I actually have a chance of being lynched(I gaurantee atleast 1 of the scum are voting for me atm) and it would be disgraceful for another town flip. The scum are going for me because it is the best chance because I don't defend myself and only do one liners so it will be an easy lynch. Why isn't layabout making a case against Nova instead of me who was just lurking?(I started posting a lot once he made the case)

For question 2, I said that because Layabout is a pretty good scum, getting caught doing sooo many scummy things but is so convincing proving his innocence that even I almost fell for the trap and went for Nova. However, layabout is a better scum than Nova, so It would be better to get Layabout now.(However Nova just be a bad townie like me, however I seriously doubt it, more sure of Layabout being scum)


I dislike everything I've bolded. You admit you don't bother defending yourself, you admit you only do one-liners. Is layabout duty-bound to do a case on the other main lynch candidate?

And worst of all, you're only posting more because someone called you out! Did you not have the urge to do anything to contribute to town before that then? Or just happy doing fuck-all until someone calls you out for it?


grush not scumhunting. grush not contributing unless a case is made. Such a clincher for me.

Paqman made a case on Sinensis before his claim and subsequent belief that Sinensis is townie. Easy way out for grush:

On May 17 2012 10:03 grush57 wrote:
GEEET SENESISSS


That's all we get. Unfortunately for grush, Paqman then comes out with his claim.

On May 19 2012 03:55 grush57 wrote:
Guys, its froggynoddy.
##vote: Froggynoddy


Shit knows what this is. Just vote-switching for the hell of it now, he's almost mocking us.

If froggynoddy is scum, he's been long-term bussing grush to try to get credit. Naturally grush has managed to avoid the lynch. Now because we've managed to nail them grush is desperately bussing froggy.

What was the likeliest way grush would avoid the lynch today? By not killing into me/Paqman leading town into wifom-ing themselves into thinking that the scum is elsewhere. The easiest way for grush to get lynched would have been to kill into us two and it's predetermined. Now we have to discuss it instead.

grush is scum and we must lynch him today.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 18 2012 20:48 GMT
#1506
On May 19 2012 05:36 Sinensis wrote:
If you guys weren't so quick to speak up about things that don't concern you I might have gotten grush to vote Paq.

##Vote: grush57

Is anyone going to yell at me if I just vote for him and leave it at that? I don't really have much to analyze.


? I'm confused about the first sentence.

##Vote grush57
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 19 2012 10:38 GMT
#1513
On May 19 2012 09:59 PaqMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 22:17 marvellosity wrote:
If you really need me to explain this, I will.


you might as well because i did not catch it.

Why do you choose grush over froggynoddy?


The explanation I was talking about at the time (not shooting into me/you) was papapanda's claim. If scum caught wind of it then shooting into me/you was not a high percentage play.

I explained why grush over froggynoddy in my last post. froggy should be scum by roleclaim evidence and elimination, grush the same except I also have a strong read on him as well. At lylo I am only going to lynch the target with the absolute highest chance of flipping scum (i.e. grush is scum because he is scum and SUPPORTED by the claims, froggy is scum BECAUSE of the claims).
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 19 2012 15:09 GMT
#1515
On May 19 2012 21:52 grush57 wrote:
Marv, why'd u have to be scum?


It's me now?!
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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