|
I'm voting for layabout today... not likely to change my mind. My reason is that he's been helping scum all game long.
I want to point out DoYouHas's last post before he got hit:
On May 09 2012 03:32 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm finding myself in a similar boat to SA. With blubb gone I see so many people with good potential for being scum. Johnny, layabout, nova, KP. I haven't even looked hard into Eiii or I10f. And ghost fits in there somewhere as well.
I feel pretty comfortable picking our next lynch from the group of Johnny, layabout, nova, and KP. I'm going to need to do some serious reviewing before I know which I want to lynch over the others though. I know that a number of you have already picked your pony for d3 (probably because I usurped you with the blubb train) but I would really appreciate it if we could present complete cases for d3 to work from. Even if that means you are repeating points from earlier in the game. The recent posts on Johnny and layabout are a nice step in this direction.
I think the bolded statements are why mafia killed him. He was onto what may be the rest of their team.
Something else I noticed from reading filters:
On May 06 2012 05:37 slOosh wrote:He spends some time with blubbdavid incident, concludes that what he did (asking powerrole) is scummy but then moves onto Grush, fosing him for "obvious reasons". Clearly pushing along BM wagon, with reasons like Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:47 johnnywup wrote:
I'm gonna vote for BM because I don't want him to survive to lategame. He's disruptive to scumhunting. not because he is scum. Could be residual stress from LIII so not totally conclusive. Has responded unreasonably aggressively to pressure. Conclusion: Probably scum.
This is the last thing sloosh said before he was killed... this post points toward jwup too. I am going to go through jwup's filter and see if I can find anything of interest.
|
Nevermind on the jwup thing I thought I would be able to find something that wasn't there. For now I will just focus on layabout and see if I can find anything else that would be helpful in convicting him.
|
N_T your "analysis" post makes me feel like we are playing a different game. No one is going to vote papapanda today...
If you're scum why didn't you deflect attention onto an easier target like layabout? Is layabout your scum buddy? Why didn't you deflect attention onto layabout anyway, do you think he's town?
If you are town and you have been suspecting papapanda for a while now, why didn't you say something about it before everyone was on your back asking for contribution? You could have at least mentioned you were suspicious of him and that would have counted for a small contribution.
|
On May 10 2012 05:58 Nova_Terra wrote:
also sin, i am really neutral as to layabout now. his defense of himself seems relatively genuine.
It seems genuine relative to what?
Relative to the fact that he's scum? Yeah I agree he did an okay job. Doesn't mean his time hasn't come.
|
I AM THE QUEEN BITCH AND WE ARE VOTING LAYABOUT TODAY :D   :D!
##vote: layabout
|
Layabout keeps making compelling defenses... I am suddenly hesitant to keep my vote him. Especially since N_T is in the game; who hasn't made compelling posts to say the least and who hasn't put forth nearly as much effort.
The more I think about it though, nothing N_T does benefits scum... or town... or himself, so I am struggling here too. Do I choose the guy who talks nicer (layabout) or the guy who helps the enemy less (N_T)?
|
Sorry about that layabout.
I would like to talk before night ends about some people I think are getting a free ride, that don't deserve it. I am anticipating focus being on grush and N_T, but there are two others that need some looking at.
First I will look at papapanda:
On May 03 2012 10:15 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +My guess is that grush is semi-lurker and just have been reading/agreeing/sheeping with what information that has/hasnot been posted by you. At first I would've have passed off the blue/green slip from blubbdavid as misreading because I can imagine myself accidentally misreading/mis-pronouncing blue/green. But from his defensive post i have to be a little suspicious. On May 03 2012 07:55 blubbdavid wrote:
One post on D1 doesn't make someone scum. Even if I probably deserve a warning for my stupidity.
Will defend myself tomorrow, it's late here. And if it is even worth it.
And when you vote, please use the proper thread. It is reasonable to vote for blubb if no one else comes out with major slip-ups, and the town has to lynch someone. Otherwise I would sit back and wait for N1 or D2 when more information might be available. Me is hardcore BLU!
Went ahead and bolded everything I have a problem with. This is his first post in the whole thread. What is see is a paranoid mess. Papapanda uses a slash every time he says something serious because he wants to make sure he has covered all his bases/been as nonspecific as possible/has chosen the best sounding/most town-like voice possible/see why this is convoluted and a horrible way to express yourself? Your scum team probably told you to cut it out with all the wishy-washy slashes after your first post, and you appear to have listened as this is the only time you talk like that. Also, never while playing town seriously would I ever say I am "hardcore town." You don't need an adjective to describe how town you are unless you aren't town.
On May 03 2012 11:12 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 03 2012 10:17 SomethingAwesome wrote:
^^
-mattchew Now are you newb or scum?
He was neither, and this question accomplishes nothing.
On May 03 2012 11:21 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
>_< My fault. As you can see, I am newb.
Makes apologetic face. Apologizes. Apologizes again. Claims to be noob. Scummy.
On May 03 2012 12:39 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 03 2012 12:23 Sinensis wrote:
##vote: grush57
I was not expecting to have a vote so early this game with all the people. You better not unvote or else people will think you are just sheeping Blazinghand!I am going to ##vote blubbdavid as a placeholder for now in case I miss the voting deadline tomorrow. Goodnight.
After I vote for grush, papapanda decides to call me out... or something... saying I am suspicious of sheeping Blazinghand if I change my vote? Uh, whether I am sheeping Blazinghand or not (I wasn't), what does changing my vote have to do with anything?
On May 05 2012 05:23 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Blazinghand:
I hate to be stepping into your line of fire, but I didn't find NT's post to be as bad as you make it sound like it is. Actually, I found that many of the points he made was very similar to the ones I tried to make.
I agree with you on "too dumb to be scum" is not an argument at all but I also do not believe grush to be scum, even though he isn't helping much (blubbdavid, I said this in my previous post but this is basically all my thought on grush as of now).
In fact, I share NT's suspicion of sinensis, and I assure you this is not just OMGUS. My original comment was just to get him to further explain his vote because he actually didn't say anything before his second response. I was shocked at what I believe to be an over-defensive reaction, one that might be coming from having something to hide, from sin. Given, he did provide sufficient evidence of reasoning, but he's accusation of me can hardly be called a read(from yourself, blazinghand).
I am still undecided on a vote. I have some gut feelings about a few persons but no evidence to base that off of.
Yeah, I probably wouldn't like stepping into BH's line of fire as scum too.
Lets look at the BM lynch, you didn't support it:
On May 05 2012 06:01 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 05:56 grush57 wrote:
We only have an hour left, I have a feeling BM might be modkilled and so will several others, most days end at around 9pm est not 6. Since he will be modkilled anyway, shouldn't we lynch someone else? This question is for everyone voting BM
You're against it again:
On May 05 2012 06:05 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 05:57 johnnywup wrote:
don't rely on modkills, thats not chivalrous lol. if we want to lynch someone we lynch them, we don't leave it up to chance that they don't post and vote last minute. They would also have to post here to not get modkilled. You want us to use a vote on someone who has less than an hour to post based on his previous reputation. Actually, I am dissatisfied with people that are in more than one game, especially in XIII (and not even some minimafia...etc). Another option is to lynch you, johnnywup, and save you from having to play both games.
Against it again:
On May 05 2012 06:08 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
If BM haven't posted, we can assume he hasn't been on the thread.
Now you might say maybe he planned to post last second...
If BM hasn't been on this thread, he would not have known that the voting/posting deadline has been extended by 60 minutes. Therefore he did not intentionally wait until now.
Starting to see a pattern? You're against lynching BM again:
On May 05 2012 06:09 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 06:06 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:00 Mementoss wrote:
I expected to come back to people actually voting, and people posting why they are good votes. I come back to 10 people still haven't voted with an hour left, and everyone in the thread just posted one liners about names out of a hat who to vote, without any reasoning at all. This is like a Hey look at me, im active and useful and shame on you all for doing wrong! I apologize for saying I want to lynch you for being in two games. What I meant to say is I want to lynch you for trying to waste D1 vote on someone who will die anyways.
But wait, what now?
On May 05 2012 06:12 papapanda wrote:
You're right, I'm wrong again><
Ok, I will be open to lynching BM-_-
Apologizes, apologetic face, suddenly BM is a good lynch?
Once BM flipped town, you explained for vote for him... but not the sudden switch:
On May 05 2012 13:06 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Yeah, mafia is going to hit SlOosh real hard, as he is 2/2, calling out both sinani and katina. I believe the lynching of BM was orchestrated by the red. The plan for red might have been to target veterans who are slightly inactive. As we can see, Katina passively pushed for lynching of BM.On May 04 2012 05:05 Katina wrote:
BM has been not been his usual posting self lately. He likes to lurk when he is Mafia. He made a few brief posts early on then disappeared into La La land. So that is something to keep an eye on. Keeping this is mind, I would like to bring up marvellosity. 1. His first few post was to bring Palmer into attention. No, he didn't vote for him, but just bringing him up and possibly started a bandwagon is good enough. 2. He gives his read on NT, saying he "looks the scummiest" but then votes for BM(yes, I voted BM too, I will explain my change of heart if it isn't clear enough-_-), claiming same reason as layabout. His willingness to switch sides so fast is a little scummy. 3. He defends Katina by basically saying she has odd posting style. By association, this also is a little suspicious and him adding on saying that DoYouHas nailed it actually made it sound even worst for me. I would like to conclude by saying that this was pieced together AFTER I assumed he was red. I would like to ask others to help me analyse marvellosity from the point of view of blue. Basically: FoS on marvellosity
HERE IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING; so you believe mafia lynched BM because they had a plan for lynching veterans who are slightly inactive, i.e. easy targets? I know I saw something like this in the thread the day before, let me see if I can find it again:
On May 03 2012 22:31 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 03 2012 21:46 blubbdavid wrote:
papapanda, unable to even graps that he has a bit more time than just one day, ready to sacrifice me although there are better options like grush.
Till now, I have have defended myself better than grush, but papanda is willing to forgive grush for his action because he could be a semi-lurker. Like SA pointed out, reading minds for others, especially at such an early stage of the game is scummy.
##vote grush57 *Looks hard to find blubbdavid's defense* On May 03 2012 08:11 blubbdavid wrote:
The confusing thing is that in a sense vanilla townies are also blue roles, just without power. I wanted to ask Ken whether he had a powerrole or not.
A 1.2 line defense? Only a little better than grush. Some of us are obviously more seasoned than others. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't I play with you before in my first game? The way I see it is when we have two suspicious guys, I would lynch the more experienced person because there is less possibility that his mistakes are due to the fact that he was careless or ignorant.
So the way you see it is that when there are two suspicious guys, lynch the veteran (i.e. Bill Murray)? That doesn't make any sense to me especially since you are a new player here and have no way of knowing who the vets are, not to mention it is not town-like to vote someone just because they are more experienced. I have never heard a town player say "We should lynch HIM because he has MORE experience!"
|
l10f is suspicious too to me but it's more subtle than papapanda. Plus it was layabout's dying wish that some kind of investigation be had of l10f... I just can't think of anything solid right now.
More on this later.
|
EBWOP: grush what do you think about my suspicion on papapanda? You voted for him yesterday.
|
On May 11 2012 13:45 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 13:01 Sinensis wrote:
l10f is suspicious too to me but it's more subtle than papapanda. Plus it was layabout's dying wish that some kind of investigation be had of l10f... I just can't think of anything solid right now.
More on this later. Posting his reads on me != wanting me to be investigated. You can, if you want, but you won't find anything because I'm town. At least, I haven't done anything that would make anyone think I'm scum.Anyway, it looks like I was right all along, scum is in Eiii/marv/grush. Eiii most likely.
Like I said, I don't suspect you as mafia because of your actions, it's just the way you word things. Take what you said, the bolded part; "at least."
Your most recent post too, here:
On May 11 2012 13:53 l10f wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Here's a 100% objective view of the situation. 1 is most likely scum 11 is most likely town.
1. Eiii
2. marvellosity
3. grush57
4. papapanda
5. PaqMan
6. Nova_Terra
7. Sinensis
8. l10f
9. Mementoss
10. froggynoddy
11. Blazinghand
Let's just lynch in this order and win?
"100% objective view?" Do you know what game you are playing? There is no 100% objective view in mafia. Objective to what? You have no facts to base your objective opinion on, unless you're mafia. When you are mafia you have to keep your objectivity or else your true agenda shows.
|
I have stuff to say about l10f but I have to go to work right now. Be back in about 6-7 hours. I'm probably going to be voting for l10f if mafia doesn't kill me for wanting to kill l10f.
|
On May 12 2012 07:13 Nova_Terra wrote:
Cases and posts against Eiii are at least convincing enough to warrant his vote. Therefore, i would like to see how he flips for info.
I am sick of seeing scummy, zero effort posts like this from N_T. His posting has been a huge issue in the thread ever since day 1. I am putting l10f and papapanda on the back burner until N_T is dead.
-I am going to vote N_T until he is dead-
(I WILL BOLD IT SINCE NO ONE LISTENS TO ME NORMALLY)
##vote: Nove_Terra
If you flip town I don't know what I believe anymore.
|
EBWOP: The only way I am not voting for N_T is if there is a jester in this game I don't know about.
|
I'm probably voting Papapanda tomorrow. I already have a case posted on him. That plus his most recent post where he wants to lynch for information is plenty enough for a conviction in my mind.
|
Your defense further incriminates you in my eyes, still voting for you tomorrow.
part 1: There is a reason people call out people who are being wishy-washy. It isn't some sophisticated code of honor in the mafia forums. The reason for avoiding being wishy-washy with posts is because it is text book mafia behavior.
part 2: Your explanation was that you were wrong because you were wrong... I don't know how else to discredit your explanation better than you already have.
part 3: Sorry I thought I was playing with people who were logical enough to see problems with someone who just types "##vote: <screen_name>" and expects that to be okay.
part 4: Your entire justification is wrong. You were against voting Bill Murray one minute, then you voted him literally 10 IRL minutes later. No excuse.
part 5: HOW DOES LYNCHING SOMEONE TO GAIN INFORMATION MAKE SENSE IF YOU ARE TOWN? Answer that and let me embarrass you.
My analysis of l10f isn't ridiculous. If you weren't so hell bent on appearing like mafia I would have room to focus on l10f.
|
On May 13 2012 20:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 14:00 papapanda wrote:
It just seem to be as a scummy excuse to start the ball rolling for the lynch another towny. (You don't see this marvellosity?) I'm not sure what is so bad about someone looking into a dead townie's suspicions. And while Sinensis' look at l10f was brief, looking at the use of language isn't a bad way to analyse someone's posts. Question back to you, papapanda: did you actually read what I wrote on l10f last page? And Mementoss' case? And do you agree or not, and why for both cases? Sinensis: I don't know how you go from Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 12:13 Sinensis wrote:On May 12 2012 07:13 Nova_Terra wrote:
Cases and posts against Eiii are at least convincing enough to warrant his vote. Therefore, i would like to see how he flips for info. I am sick of seeing scummy, zero effort posts like this from N_T. His posting has been a huge issue in the thread ever since day 1. I am putting l10f and papapanda on the back burner until N_T is dead. -I am going to vote N_T until he is dead-(I WILL BOLD IT SINCE NO ONE LISTENS TO ME NORMALLY)##vote: Nove_TerraIf you flip town I don't know what I believe anymore. Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 12:14 Sinensis wrote:
EBWOP: The only way I am not voting for N_T is if there is a jester in this game I don't know about. to Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 12:05 Sinensis wrote:
I'm probably voting Papapanda tomorrow. I already have a case posted on him. That plus his most recent post where he wants to lynch for information is plenty enough for a conviction in my mind. What's up with this?
I am voting for N_T because of his garbage filter and because he wants to lynch for information. Papapanda just said he wants to lynch for information and agreed with N_T, the guy I want to lynch, that lynching for information makes sense.
You don't have a problem with Blazinghand seemingly agreeing with me?
|
On May 13 2012 23:09 marvellosity wrote:
Um, we may be misunderstanding Sinensis. You're voting N_T today but you plan to vote papapanda next day cycle, is that what you mean? I read 'tomorrow' in your post as calendar tomorrow, not game cycle tomorrow.
While you're here, what do you think of the cases on l10f?
I meant I was planning to vote Papapanda the next day cycle... but I'm not 100% positive I am sticking with that anymore. He's still one of my top choices, I just need a bit to think about some other people before I commit. I wasn't expecting N_T to flip town.
|
@PaqMan:
1. I voted both N_T and layabout when it was time for their lynch. Flipping a coin between the two was my way of deciding which to try and lynch FIRST.
2. In both those cases, the ones on papapanda and l10f, I concluded that bother were suspicious. Maybe you missed the multitude of times I called each scum/mafia. Also, did you seriously just scold me for posting reads? Why am I being called out for posting reads?
3. You accuse me of narrating. It helps me to narrate from a person's perspective to gain insights on what I would do in their situation, to check and see if they have similar motivations as me.
Someone who says: "We should lynch someone in order to gain information on who to lynch next."
DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME MOTIVATIONS AS ME. (referring to N_T and papapanda)
|
*2. In both those cases, the ones on papapanda and l10f, I concluded that *both were suspicious. Maybe you missed the multitude of times I called each scum/mafia. Also, did you seriously just scold me for posting reads? Why am I being called out for posting reads?
|
Also, papapanda, don't you EVER accuse me of making my posts intentionally long winded after I spend 20+ on each lengthy one trying to shorten it with millions of spoiler tags.
Next time I want a long post, I'll save this thread the convenience.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
