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<3 you all in the obs qt saying im the only one trying <3 <3 <3
edit: pregame quotes
On April 21 2012 08:18 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 08:09 Radfield wrote:
I'm ready for you this game Bluelightz Predicting im going to live to lylo Predicting im going to lose town the game somehow 
Oh Well T_T.
On April 21 2012 10:24 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 08:18 Bluelightz wrote:On April 21 2012 08:09 Radfield wrote:
I'm ready for you this game Bluelightz Predicting im going to live to lylo Predicting im going to lose town the game somehow You didn't lose the game for town in Palmar's game. Dirkzor played a solid game, and left himself in a position where he had contributed more than either of the other two players alive at lylo. My challenge for you this game is to have zero 1 liners. If you are going to post, make sure it actually serves a purpose. Do some analysis and make sure that your opinions have actual reasoning behind them, and show that reasoning. Otherwise I hope you are a mason -_-
Did I fail :3?
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Bluelightz town MVP yo (imo at least). Solid work, just gotta be more confident in yourself.
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On May 06 2012 13:13 johnnywup wrote:
Bluelightz town MVP yo (imo at least). Solid work, just gotta be more confident in yourself.
hahahahaha T_T, thanks jdub! :D
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On May 06 2012 10:55 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 23:04 Bluelightz wrote:
Here is my current standings on people before I sleep
1 Mr Zentor
2 SamuelLJackson (Toadesstern+sandroba hydra)
3 Radfield
4 Snarfs
5 VisceraEyes
6 Phagga
7 prplhz
8 strongandbig
9 Forumite
10 Sbrubbles
11 marvellosity
13 Ace Wow lol. You had all your 7/7 town reads correct at this point wtf? Very good job!
Yeah I really didn't see that post earlier because I remembered him saying at n1 that 2 mafias (I think Ace and VE?) are his two top townreads when he was talking to me, so I was sitting in that obs-QT saying blue was playing horribly and his reads are all wrong because I only remembered that one. Than syllo pointed out that post and I thought "wtf, either blue was bullshitting, saying those greenreads are greenreads to make himself less of a target and he knew they're scummy all along or he changed his mind 180° and is spot on correct".
Either way, pretty impressive, especially given how stubborn townies played this game. Sad thing Ace had a green check.
Btw my own brag from d1, haven't changed a thing:
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That's what I linked Sandro in skype when I explained him my reads except that I gave him a pic with everything being equally green or orange to not influence him to much.
That being said my reads really were awesome this game imo. I was a little confused about prpl later on (d2 or d3) and would have made him yellow as an alternative if marv / Ace both flip town or if I start second-guessing myself (see how bad second guessing yourself is guys?...).
The no-lynch really screwed up my radar. If we would have lynched marv I would have been 100% certain on all 3 mafias by the end of d1. Without lynching Marv I kept thinking something weird happened there with VE's / Rad's / Ace's bullshit and kept thinking marv is more plausible than Ace because of that 
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Note to self: Alwasy kill Toades early.
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The read on you was totally sheeped. I never figured you out as mafia, That was Sandroba and he was so convinced (at least it looked like that in skype) that I completly sheeped it without questioning it, so that one doesn't really count :p
Edit: Also as already mentioned, sad thing I ended up telling town the complete worst case scenario of my reads.
I said "It's Rad + foru + Marv" n1 just a sec before the deadline because as mentioned I told Sandro that I'll stop thinkin about VE for at least a day so I picked Rad out of "Either VE or Rad" and I ended up picking marv because I thought I saw a connection between the other scummy guys and marv. Stupid VE did that totally on purpose to screw with me
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It´s tricky faking confused frustration, and making cases on people I know is town is bloody hard. If it wasn´t for all the suspicion being thrown back and forth I would have been found. The MrZentor-case was easy at least, I´ve had a lot of practice lynching unhelpfull townies
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
This was a fun game! Thanks for hosting guys!
I like to think I could have led a lynch against Ace if I'd lived one more day, but it's impossible to say. I really felt that once I died there was no one left to push a lynch on Ace. He's just too squirmy
Bluelightz you played very well this game. The contrast between this game and Palmar's game is like two completely different players. You now just need to work on your refining your reads, and learning to look at someones play as a whole, not just the most recent 12 hours(it really felt like your reads were bouncing around). Keep up the good work.
Solid early game scum play from Forumite, and a good finish as well. You stayed off the radar convincingly for at least the first two full cycles.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 06 2012 07:43 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Sucks to investigate the godfather night 1 :-(
I feel like that actually really hurt town this game, made it much harder to get rid of Ace and gave him a free ride for awhile.
It does suck, but I was pretty clear by the end that I didn't trust that check. And if the guy who made the check doesn't trust it, no one else should either. Not to mention, mafia would probably NOT have killed me if it meant confirming Ace as town. When I died even more alarm bells should have been going off that Ace was anti-town.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Oh yeah, the Zentor lynch was pretty bad. For all the townies who followed along and pushed that lynch, you guys need to adjust your scumhunting heuristics. It's very rare for a scum player to play a game like Zentor did, and extremely common for townies to do that. His confidence, his utter disregard for his own safety, etc were all huge town tells.
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i really didn't care much for zentor's alignment
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On May 06 2012 22:11 Radfield wrote:
Oh yeah, the Zentor lynch was pretty bad. For all the townies who followed along and pushed that lynch, you guys need to adjust your scumhunting heuristics. It's very rare for a scum player to play a game like Zentor did, and extremely common for townies to do that. His confidence, his utter disregard for his own safety, etc were all huge town tells.
exactly what Sandro and I thought and told each other in skype and actually that was the reason Sandro and I started looking into Foru because we both agreed that he should be better than that :D
That Zentor lynch was just horrible. If it would be a guy who has some experience alarm bells should be ringing. If wbg did what Zentor did I would have lynched him for that for example but that guy just screamed town.
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Wub rad <33333
Why u investigate ace?
What I learned: lynching into my null reads should win the game rofl.
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United Kingdom36160 Posts
On May 06 2012 22:11 Radfield wrote:
Oh yeah, the Zentor lynch was pretty bad. For all the townies who followed along and pushed that lynch, you guys need to adjust your scumhunting heuristics. It's very rare for a scum player to play a game like Zentor did, and extremely common for townies to do that. His confidence, his utter disregard for his own safety, etc were all huge town tells.
I rather think it's on Zentor not to behave like a douchebag
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Indeed it was mostly MrZentor's own fault - however, I just could not see a newbie Mafia player starting the game with a self-vote, insulting everyone and then asking to be lynched without hesitation. MAYBE it could have been an advanced Mafia strategy, counting on the veterans to read him as town for such behavior... Still, it seemed far more likely that he was in fact town. And even if he was Mafia, he would accidentally claim Mafia for himself and/or his teammates soon enough with that kind of a playstyle, so it should have been much more urgent to lynch a lurking/vague/useless Mafia candidate such as marvellosity, Forumite, phagga, VE or Ace.
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On May 06 2012 22:36 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 22:11 Radfield wrote:
Oh yeah, the Zentor lynch was pretty bad. For all the townies who followed along and pushed that lynch, you guys need to adjust your scumhunting heuristics. It's very rare for a scum player to play a game like Zentor did, and extremely common for townies to do that. His confidence, his utter disregard for his own safety, etc were all huge town tells. I rather think it's on Zentor not to behave like a douchebag
I´m agreeing with Marv here. Even if I was a townie in this game, I would still have pushed MrZentor just as hard, tunneling him until he died, not caring if he was anti-town or scum.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I strongly disagree. In 90% of the time it's town's fault for pushing a mislynch. Sometimes townies do things that force you to lynch them(bad claims, blatant lies), but that is typically not the case. Zentor did none of those, and displays some very clear townie traits. At the very worst you Vig players who are being disruptive, but you don't lynch them unless you think they are scum.
Lynching anyone but a scum candidate(NOT an anti-town candidate, I'm making a distinction here), is a move that allows mafia to coast by for a day. ANYONE can come up with a legitimate reason for lynching play like Zentor's, which means you learn nothing from the lynch.
I understand why he was lynched, and why people wanted to lynch him. I'm just saying that that is a definite area where people can improve their town play. ie sorting townie tells from scum tells, and not lynching just to get rid of or punish someone.
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United Kingdom36160 Posts
On May 07 2012 02:00 Radfield wrote:
I strongly disagree. In 90% of the time it's town's fault for pushing a mislynch. Sometimes townies do things that force you to lynch them(bad claims, blatant lies), but that is typically not the case. Zentor did none of those, and displays some very clear townie traits. At the very worst you Vig players who are being disruptive, but you don't lynch them unless you think they are scum.
Lynching anyone but a scum candidate(NOT an anti-town candidate, I'm making a distinction here), is a move that allows mafia to coast by for a day. ANYONE can come up with a legitimate reason for lynching play like Zentor's, which means you learn nothing from the lynch.
I understand why he was lynched, and why people wanted to lynch him. I'm just saying that that is a definite area where people can improve their town play. ie sorting townie tells from scum tells, and not lynching just to get rid of or punish someone.
Your argument is of course correct. However lynching players like that does at least send out the message that being a dick townie isn't an acceptable trait. Which I can live with.
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People still care about getting their reads correct? :/
Sad.
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GG town, thx for lynching Marv for me, you're right that dude was totally scum. ^^
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