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On April 25 2012 21:27 Ace wrote:
bluelightz: There is a problem with saying the Zentor lynch is moving too easily - yesterday it barely moved at all. If you're going to assume Zentor is innocent based on the wagon moving too fast, then what about yesterday when it stalled?
The case on Zentor is solid enough that it isn't unreasonable to expect his lynch to actually MOVE today.
The problem is that from past experiences with Zentor I feel that he is town, and we will mislych today because he doesnt bother to defend himself, AGAIN.
Comparing to: SoAF Mafia, where he was all trololol day 2 till his claim and reads.
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On April 25 2012 21:39 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 20:16 Bluelightz wrote:Sup bros, my blue mind say's that The Zentor lynch is moving too easy ( as radfield has already mentioned). For now, as a preemptive guess on who is scum it is:Snarfs, strongandbig, and a veteran player. Snarfs because: Snarfs and s&b seem to be trying to distance themselves from each other, also that, he is pushing the easy targets today, On April 25 2012 08:40 Snarfs wrote:
Based on what I just posted, I'm also feeling a Zentor lynch. That said, it's still VERY early in the day so I'm not going to stop questioning other people.
##Vote MrZentor Next, I find it odd that he picked s&b out of all people to call out in his first few posts. Lastly, I see a problem with how HE scum hunts, On April 24 2012 02:07 Snarfs wrote:On April 24 2012 01:18 strongandbig wrote:When it comes to actual suspects, I'd like to point to Snarfs. He's done a few things so far that make me suspicious. First, we have + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 09:12 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 08:53 Sbrubbles wrote:
That said, I suppose it might be a good strategy to claim if the masons are two relatively new players (like myself), in that it would draw fire away from more veteran town players.
If the masons do decide to claim, though, I don't think we should waste town powers confirming them. I'd be happy with believing them and only doubt them if they start acting specially scummy or aren't dead by day 4. Cops are here to investigate scummy players, not to confirm townies. I agree with all this also. That said, I agree with the hydra in that it's time to stop talking about the masons and to start hunting scum. In this post, he says that we should be hunting scum, but in none of his later posts does he actually do any scum hunting. My scum hunting method is my own. I like to ask people questions based on their actions when I notice something weird and gauge their responses. Me asking you and Zentor, as well as Ace and Radfield, to explain your actions is my method of scum hunting.-snip- I don't see how asking someone to explain their action's is an effective way to scum hunt, I think that it is easy for one to make one's action's look town.
strongandbig because: First, because oddly he picked Snarfs to make a case on, I feel that they are trying to distance themselves from each other, next, in his first post he spent an awful amount of space for a way for people to breaccrumb stuff -.-. Lastly, he made an awful sheep vote on Zentor.
Honestly I think both could be town, but I have a feeling that there's scum in them, just maybe,##Vote: strongandbigFor now. So what is it now? first you come and say they are both scum, build a case around that assumptions and in the end you say the could also both be town? Way to put pressure on them, I'm sure they are both terrified now. Or perhaps only one of them is scum, and the other is not? And you just keep us in the dark who is what? Nice way to set yourself up for some towncred if one of them flips scum. Also, I've never played scum, but building a case on early D1 and then defending that case with an equally long post on D1 just to distance yourself from your scum buddy? Hardly.
._. I said its a guess, and my last were simply another prediction.
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On April 25 2012 21:15 strongandbig wrote:@purplehaze: I'll put this in a spoiler so people don't accuse me of padding my filter: + Show Spoiler +Well shit. I guess there's a reason they call it a one time pad. I haven't actually studied much cryptography, so I didn't think of that. The first thing which comes to mind as a remedy is that the reason it's breakable using your method is because scum know the set of possible decrypted messages. What if instead of hiding each others' names they each encrypted one of a pair of linked words (for example, "apples" and "oranges")? That way the scum wouldn't be able to reverse engineer the key because they wouldn't know the decrypted message. I guess it's pretty much academic at this point though, since masons would probably have claimed already. @bluelightz: So your case against me is that I accused snarfs of being scummy, but you also think he looks scummy? I think both of your other points have already been pretty well explained in the thread; I posted about mason mechanics because that's what we were all talking about at the time. I've explained my votes on Zentor. My initial town read on him was based on his play in SS mafia, where he started out trolling but quickly started playing a bit more seriously. This game he hasn't taken much of anything seriously; it feels different. Let me know if you have any specific questions.
Hmm, okay specific questions, so we don't kill discussion with everyone on Zentor
IF ZENTOR WASNT LYNCHED TODAY, WHO WOULD YOU LYNCH AND WHY?
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That applies to everyone else who hasn't voiced suspicion on others.
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On April 25 2012 22:03 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 21:59 Bluelightz wrote:On April 25 2012 21:27 Ace wrote:
bluelightz: There is a problem with saying the Zentor lynch is moving too easily - yesterday it barely moved at all. If you're going to assume Zentor is innocent based on the wagon moving too fast, then what about yesterday when it stalled?
The case on Zentor is solid enough that it isn't unreasonable to expect his lynch to actually MOVE today. The problem is that from past experiences with Zentor I feel that he is town, and we will mislych today because he doesnt bother to defend himself, AGAIN. Comparing to: SoAF Mafia, where he was all trololol day 2 till his claim and reads. A player that doesn't bother to defend himself should be given a pass?
IMO would scum do this? Not defend and trololol?
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On April 25 2012 22:15 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 22:13 Bluelightz wrote:On April 25 2012 22:03 Ace wrote:On April 25 2012 21:59 Bluelightz wrote:On April 25 2012 21:27 Ace wrote:
bluelightz: There is a problem with saying the Zentor lynch is moving too easily - yesterday it barely moved at all. If you're going to assume Zentor is innocent based on the wagon moving too fast, then what about yesterday when it stalled?
The case on Zentor is solid enough that it isn't unreasonable to expect his lynch to actually MOVE today. The problem is that from past experiences with Zentor I feel that he is town, and we will mislych today because he doesnt bother to defend himself, AGAIN. Comparing to: SoAF Mafia, where he was all trololol day 2 till his claim and reads. A player that doesn't bother to defend himself should be given a pass? IMO would scum do this? Not defend and trololol? If it makes you look townie, yes.
Point is that normal scum wouldn't have the balls to not defend himself in the current TL Mafia "metagame" as this kind of crap is rare.
Think outside the box!
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On April 25 2012 22:23 Ace wrote:
Neither would a normal Townie. Everyone regardless of alignment is going to try and prove their innocent.
The problem with your thinking is "lets not lynch a player who isn't defending himself". I mean...come on. How does this even make sense? If the case against Zentor is he actually did Scummy things AND he isn't bothering to defend himself then how do you figure he is innocent?
Lets try this another way.
2 players on trial. Both of them have rock solid cases that show they have done things that more likely than not Scum would do during the course of the game.
Player A shows up to defend himself from all accusations.
Player B doesn't show up, but earlier in the trial promised to offer future proof about other players being Scum. Oh and he voted for himself.
You want us to ignore Player B and find Players C and D?
I used meta reasons, Zentor did this crap in SoAF as well, but you said "normal" townie, what do you consider normal?
Second point: How does Player A defend himself? My point is that Player B is acting not normally, not what "scum" would have the balls to do.
Anyway, suspicions on phagga nao, unvoting s&b in my next post.
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Hmm, unvoting s&B, suspecting phagga. strongandbig is town, IMO.
Snarfs I'm waiting for his response.
##Unvote: strongandbig
Blue's journey to phagga's first 4 post's
Post #1
Can't get a read of this one, simply telling that he'll read will be decided on his next post
Post #2
Hmm, recycling points
On April 23 2012 16:22 phagga wrote:ok, catching up. game mechanics stuff:
- Hydras should sign. Everything else lowers transparency for town.
- After reading all the pros and cons, I'd support a mason claim day 2. Reason: Many Vets + 2 masons = too many targets to handle for scum. D3 might be too late because of counterclaim (depends on nightkills and SK situation).On to more important stuff in no particular order: Mr. Zentor: I don't like how his " really long post" was actually not long at all, but only full of quotes. If we ignore the quotes, the post was quite short. So why announce it as long? His case on prplhz was weak, and when asked a second time why he thought that prplhz was still scummy, he never answered. His style is unnecessarily aggresive. VisceraEyes: His Filter shows 5 ingame posts, which is more than I have, but unlike me he is notorious for being very active borderline on spamming, trying to direct people and generally being helpful to town. He is completely lacking these features this game. His townread post is suspicious, I can't remember him making townlists like this in the last games? His behaviour currently reminds of the Bastard game we just were in, where he was SK. Ace: I don't like how he has basically been talking about game mechanics and shown no interest in hunting scum. However, I've read some games where he was in (last was space station) and I think this is part of his D1 play? Not entirely sure. Radfield: He would not have shown up in this list was it not for sbrubbles points. I think they are very legit, and I look forward to Radfields reaction.
Random reads, did you guys notice that he just threw those reads out of nowhere? I think that he's trying to contribute random crap that means nothing to discussion, and he's even recycling some of the stuff like on his Ace points.
post #3
takes two lines of stuff to say that the defense is bad huh?
post #4
Careful much?
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After that, I feel that he's trying to be useless with his vote:
First vote, on Marvellosity who I think is town, he votes ezpz only by saying that he sheeped etc.
Second, on Zentor he provides a reason: I was suspicious of him already on day 1, he refuses to bring more stuff to discussion of Zentor.
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Super interesting post before I end this:
On April 24 2012 06:16 phagga wrote:
If I counted right these are the current vote leaders:
marv: 4 votes
snarf: 3 votes
Zentor: 2 votes
the rest is 1 vote or less.
I'm off to bed in about 10 mins, need to get out early again tomorrow.
Useless huzzah!
First: votecount, LOL, this means nothing as y'know we can count votes too!
Second: Im going to bed bro, fluff!
in the end
##Vote: phagga
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On April 25 2012 22:35 Ace wrote:
A normal Townie = a person trying to actually survive a lynch.
Why does How player A defends himself even matter here? It could be the worst defense of all time, but the fact that he even tried in stark contrast to a player who doesn't goes a long way.
Really, your defense is "I've seen him do this one time before, and I don't believe Scum would do Scummy things so blatantly."
Where as some of us have deemed his behavior Scummy, so then yes more than likely he is Scum.
Screw it, let's lynch people for being too town. There is no way an actual Townie would have the balls to do that.
One too town person would never be lynched as he is acting town and is helping town in a good way.
Also, Even though, could you answer my previous question?
Lastly, If you believe Zentor is scum then go ahead, more power to you. I'll be (really) surprised if he flips scum though.
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On April 25 2012 22:57 prplhz wrote:
@Bluelightz What the hell "more power to you" mean?
"you" has more power, meaning he has more power to do what he wants to do.(He can do whatever he wants)
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IF ZENTOR WASNT LYNCHED TODAY, WHO WOULD YOU LYNCH AND WHY?
That's the question I'd like everyone (that has only voiced suspicion on Zentor today) to answer.
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On April 25 2012 23:06 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 23:01 Bluelightz wrote:
IF ZENTOR WASNT LYNCHED TODAY, WHO WOULD YOU LYNCH AND WHY?
That's the question I'd like everyone (that has only voiced suspicion on Zentor today) to answer.
Irrelevant. I'm not answering this because it does nothing to further the game as its just throwing more names out there. Right now what is important is Mr.Zentor and your defense against him. Putting out more scum reads does nothing.
Okay then.....
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I'm going to go use the time I have I guess.
First, after reading Radfield's case, TOO HELL WITH VE IS TOWN, he has done more scummy things as pointed out by radfield and refuses to scum hunt. Also, possibly scum killed Toad/Sandro hydra also because toad suspected VE.
So, as a guess before my time is going to run out:
Scum team is Forumite, phagga, and VisceraEyes.
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sup bros,
First, answering phagga's question, s&b is town because after looking back his over all play seems townie and that scum wouldn't spend SO much time making a case and making a huge post on breaccrumbing.
Next, After my procces of elimenation I feel that Sbrubbles is scum.
Firstly LOL, he has barely 1 page of filter.
Next, he 'says' that in the week day's he'll have more time, you spendin it on a qt bro?, Its been like what, THURSDAY!, and in the post he said that it was, MONDAY!, he has had over 3 day's of time but hasn't found time to contribute stuff to the thread.
Also, as an answer to the second post I'd like to have you answer stuff other then 'yo blue! i didn't have any fucking time'
I consider this unacceptable as he has found time post other stuff as well during the week.
Third, Look at how brubbles has asserted himself with his reads, his reads seem like that he's setting up himself for example a lynch on marv, if we'll ever consider it again he'll just say this 'I also feel that marv is scum for reasons I pointed out before in my reads" so that he won't contirbute more stuff.
And lastly, take out every one-liner and question from brubbles's filter it's very short aint it? Also, what VE pointed out on brubbles on his previous post (I think) that he was trying to add suspicion to VE without asserting himself, and again also because he keeps on pushing easy targets (marv,zentor).
My process of elimenation:
I elimenated every town read I have and got left with this:
VE, Forumite, Srubbles, prplhz
(I think that phagga is town because his answers to my pressure seemed town and he readily added stuff to respond to my point in the case agaisnt him, he explained his vote on marv etc)
Out of this, I'm more confident that Forumite and brubbles are scum. VE im not very confident as scum but may be. prp im most sure is town out of the group.
Now, you might ask ' But Blue! that only means that there are two scum', Ive begun thinking around and I think we should probably discuss this,
In the last C9++ there was a 1 shot DT (Right?) when Probulous was a Godfather. I feel that this setup is a little the same with it as Radfield is a 1 shot DT. Now, I seriously believe that Ace is a GF for first, IF brubbles is scum, his no communication at all with Ace makes it a little suspicious that why are they not communicating in thread? Second, that Ace keeps on pushing MrZentor, MrZentor is clearly town in my eyes.
Lastly,
##Unvote: phagga
##Vote: Sbrubbles
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So..... you guys just finished talking in a qt right :D
okay, also look at how sbrubcles COMPLETELY ignore's my case when he came back and voting for a person with a horrible reason 'yo d00d, you didnt answer meh question, your soooo scum'.
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Adding on to my previous post:
Also he just tried to completely brush off pressure of being a voter of Zentor when Zentor is Mislynched.
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I have a small feeling that Forumite is scum and he's trying to distance himself from brubbles after posting so close to brubbles.
Why is posting so close scummy in my opinion? It's because that they must have discussed SOMETHING on irc or qt before that.
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1 page of filter -> not much content in said filter.
you had time and you posted barely anything -> 'i dont care about contributing crap to the thread because im scum, hooray!'
VE will flip red -> what makes you so sure bro?
hmm, so you didnt want to assert too much, why's that? I'm forever alone trying to lynch you and fully changed my vote and made a complete case that didn't have a crap reason to vote you.
What's so important with having help? Radfield is just another player.
Tried to keep ball alive -> planning for tommorow's mislych r u?
the communication thing is that if your scum (which i think you are) your trying to not finger Ace if you get lynched. Probably Ace is happily chit-chatting with you in your scum qt if he's scum.
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Here is my current standings on people before I sleep
1 Mr Zentor
2 SamuelLJackson (Toadesstern+sandroba hydra)
3 Radfield
4 Snarfs
5 VisceraEyes
6 Phagga
7 prplhz
8 strongandbig
9 Forumite
10 Sbrubbles
11 marvellosity
13 Ace
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Ace, did you even read my fucking filter? I feel really YOU ARE SCUM, you aren't even bothering to even check that I tried my fucking hardest to defend Zentor with the reason's on why I felt he was town, I saw that it was fucking hopeless because why? No one even bothered to check my reason 'Oh, its bluelightz, his reasons are preety fucking stupid so let's ignore this guy's reason, Zentor is super scummy anyway'. After that, I started poking and prodding people for reads, for example Snarfs & s&B i thought were town after their responses.
Also, WTF? what the hell is wrong with poking at 5 people? Do you want me to tunnel ho ho on easy as crap targets even after thinking they are town after their initial response?(Not brubbles) I said Zentor is town and so I didn't vote him, I saw his play was very similar to SoAF so I believed he was town, What is wrong with this?. I put effort into this game, I don't want to lose it.
brubbles is scum, I will push him tommorow.
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