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Both of you have had suspcions about yomi previously. Though I suspect Zealos of being scum as well, are either of you willing to change your vote to yomi? I voted yomi as I think that yomi's actions were indicative of mafia play while for Zealos it seemed to be more a lack of opinionated contribution for a good while. In my opinion yomi's mafia like actions were better evidence. | ||
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This changes some of my suspicions. I am less suspicious of Zealos now as if he was mafia he would have probably had voted yomi to ensure the lynch. Instead he left the possibility that the lynch would not occur. If he's mafia, voting for me would have been a wasted vote. I agree with insect on imallinson as allin only voted when it seemed there was a high chance of yomi getting lynched as 4 votes had already been cast for yomi. He's now my leading candidate for mafia. | ||
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2) First off it is pretty funny considering, you were first to play the suspicious card of anyone, and on St. Daniel, and only giving the reason for not doing the Vote: St. Daniel, was due to it being a newbie game: "The only person who's shown signs of being something other than vanilla townie so far is St. Daniel as I'm unconvinced that a townie would need help so early. I don't want to vote yet though as since its a newbie game he might just want general help and has shown no distinct signs of being mafia.". There are two possibilities here: You really want to vote for St. Daniel because he either has a townie role, or you suspect him of being mafia for wanting help, without having shown anything mafia-like. Second reason is mumbo-jumbo. First reason is the mafia in you talking. Freudian slip? Anywhich way, it is pretty weak. Secondly, apparently you showed no fear for St. Daniels life, when you were willing to throw him in front of a bus, and with you not having faith in other peoples judgments, on behalf of weak reasons(at least so soon), it seems like you hoped people would jump onto St. Daniel. He did, "I'm voting for you because you are stupid or mafia but you cannot be a good townie."; . You both gave weak reasons. Yours even weaker, because you target St. Daniel for the reasons of asking for help. Something you yourself did before him. You project your own actions onto others who do what you do, and call them suspicious, hence you would find yourself very suspicious. I do too. A large part of you suspicion against me seems to be because of post about St. Daniel early on. Just for reference here is the quote. I agree that we should lynch someone. The only person who's shown signs of being something other than vanilla townie so far is St. Daniel as I'm unconvinced that a townie would need help so early. I don't want to vote yet though as since its a newbie game he might just want general help and has shown no distinct signs of being mafia. You say that through this post I was throwing Daniel under the bus and doing exactly what yomi had done to me. You got this idea from me saying that I only didn't vote for Daniel because this was a newbie game. However, if we look back at the sentence, we can see it says "I don't want to vote yet though as since its a newbie game he might just want general help and has shown no distinct signs of being mafia". By this I meant that he may be blue as well as I clarified to Dr3am. So, we see that I had not identified Daniel as mafia but had merely been commenting on possibilities. Furthermore if I had wanted Daniel to be lynched why would I have not gone after him further? After that post I said nothing which would insinuate that Daniel is mafia. Also, if I wanted him lynched I probably would have voted for him. You call me a hypocrite for doing the same things that yomi did but there are large differences between yomi and I as yomi made an accusation and voted while I made a comment and did not vote. You cannot equate a single comment with no vote as trying to throw someone under the bus. 1. This is exactly what you did, when trying to throw St. Daniel in front of the bus, without most people having appeared in the thread. You even wanted lynch d1. 2. You don't trust a new players statements, hence not trusting your own, unless they can back it up with knowledge of the game from someone, then you do. Basically you are saying we shouldn't trust you. 3. You are giving away that you want to know if St. Daniel has a bluerole or not. 4-5. Is you trying to do damage control, realizing you have slipped up. 1. I think I addressed this earlier in this post. 2.If you take the statement in context, I was asking about this as Daniel said he had never played before but then implied he had prior experience playing. It was not that I did not trust a new players statements, it was that I wanted clarification on a contradiction. 3. I was clarifying a statement of mine when asked, I don't see how that gives any connotation of being mafia. Even if I had been trying to figure out who was blue, it would be a rather stupid strategy to hope that Daniel would pop up and say that he's a blue. 4-5. Based on 3 so hopefully that answer resolves these statements. 1)Mafia plays for survival, town plays for doing their part for as long as they can. You being afraid of your own survival, speaks volumes of you being a scum. Of course no one wants to die right of the bat, but being fearful of it, is another thing entirely. You even identify it as mafia play, when cornered, but try to add, but I am not doing it because I am mafia I play to have fun,it wouldn't be too fun to be dead would it?. My defensiveness was because I wanted to play the game. Fear is wanting to avoid something because it poses a threat. Getting lynched would be threatening to me being able to play so how am I wrong to fear lynching? On other players insectoceanx - Unsure. Generally thoughtful posts that don't shy away from suspicion or accusations when needed. This would usually be characteristic of a townie.. I personally did not see his last minute vote for yomi as suspicious as he had earlier posted his own suspicions of yomi but nreekay made a pretty good case against him I think. I would like to hear his response to what nreekay said. St. Daniel/ Gossemerr - Completely unsure though I thought his point against Dr3am didn't make very much sense. Dracholich70 - I am slightly suspicious of Dracolich. At the start of the game he was subtly discouraging voting and was mostly recapping instead of posting his thoughts. Later he revealed his suspicions of me and yomi. This also may hint toward mafia as we now now that yomi was innocent and I at least know that I am a townie. Though I do have my suspicions, dracholich would not be my first candidate as mafia. Once he, like I am doing now, posts his opinions on people other than me, I may be able to draw new conclusions. oneplus - I initially thought he may be mafia but my suspicions have somewhat abated with his last post giving thoughts on various players. I do still wonder why his posts at the start were relatively content free. Not completely convinced he is town but not too suspicious either. My initial suspicion of him protecting mafia quite obviously fell apart with yomi ending up townie. mutant - I see him as town, not afraid to give readings and accusations. His accusation of yomi seemed well reasoned so I have no reason to think mutant simply was a mafia who wanted to kill yomi. ArcticFox - Similar read to mutant but Fox has more posts and thought making him seem even less mafia like. Zealos - Really didn't post any reads or content at all except for one post accusing me. He also never responded to my response to his allegations. His play so far has seemed quite scummy due to the lack of real content. The only thing that makes me think he might not be mafia is that he did not vote for yomi. If he was mafia and did this he left a very real chance that yomi would live. I am still suspicious of him however as there is the chance both him and insect are mafia and knew that only one of them had to vote yomi to ensure a lynch while the other could vote something else to avoid suspicion. One of my higher rate suspects for mafia. ForTheDr3am - Once again the question asking, analytical type. I have no reason to suspect him thus far. imallinson - Has been a lurker and only brought up accusations that were fairly common at the time. Didn't bring that much new stuff to the table. I am suspicious of him. | ||
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On April 27 2012 10:07 insectoceanx wrote: @insectoceanx: You haven't posted yet since then, but I have asked you to explain to me what you think classifies as scummy as well. And even though the poor guy is deceased now, I want you to give a more in-depth opinion of what made you think that nreekay is town. What has been sticking out to me as scummy play is people who are either not posting any content or the content they post is mostly fluff an example of this has been Maju's posting. As far an nreekay his posts were good and I agreed with most of the things he brought up at this point in the game he just seemed more likely town. I have 2 main suspects as mafia right now. 1 Maju He has been doing nothing but defending himself the entire game and has never contributed anything @MAJU: If you are not scum post something of significance giving your top 2 candidates for scum and give them something to answer to. Don't defend yourself just post something about someone else. 2 Imallinson Already suspicious of him now he is defending Maju and voting draco, who just got switched out. His first vote was for yomi and then his very next post is voting for draco. Imallinson you posted this in your one post where you said very little about everyone @ImallinsonWell yomi rolled green so why are you still so suspicious of Draco? I feel Maju is likely scum and you are also defending him. Post something that will make me feel otherwise. + Show Spoiler + insectoceanx - Unsure. Generally thoughtful posts that don't shy away from suspicion or accusations when needed. This would usually be characteristic of a townie.. I personally did not see his last minute vote for yomi as suspicious as he had earlier posted his own suspicions of yomi but nreekay made a pretty good case against him I think. I would like to hear his response to what nreekay said. St. Daniel/ Gossemerr - Completely unsure though I thought his point against Dr3am didn't make very much sense. Dracholich70 - I am slightly suspicious of Dracolich. At the start of the game he was subtly discouraging voting and was mostly recapping instead of posting his thoughts. Later he revealed his suspicions of me and yomi. This also may hint toward mafia as we now now that yomi was innocent and I at least know that I am a townie. Though I do have my suspicions, dracholich would not be my first candidate as mafia. Once he, like I am doing now, posts his opinions on people other than me, I may be able to draw new conclusions. oneplus - I initially thought he may be mafia but my suspicions have somewhat abated with his last post giving thoughts on various players. I do still wonder why his posts at the start were relatively content free. Not completely convinced he is town but not too suspicious either. My initial suspicion of him protecting mafia quite obviously fell apart with yomi ending up townie. mutant - I see him as town, not afraid to give readings and accusations. His accusation of yomi seemed well reasoned so I have no reason to think mutant simply was a mafia who wanted to kill yomi. ArcticFox - Similar read to mutant but Fox has more posts and thought making him seem even less mafia like. Zealos - Really didn't post any reads or content at all except for one post accusing me. He also never responded to my response to his allegations. His play so far has seemed quite scummy due to the lack of real content. The only thing that makes me think he might not be mafia is that he did not vote for yomi. If he was mafia and did this he left a very real chance that yomi would live. I am still suspicious of him however as there is the chance both him and insect are mafia and knew that only one of them had to vote yomi to ensure a lynch while the other could vote something else to avoid suspicion. One of my higher rate suspects for mafia. ForTheDr3am - Once again the question asking, analytical type. I have no reason to suspect him thus far. imallinson - Has been a lurker and only brought up accusations that were fairly common at the time. Didn't bring that much new stuff to the table. I am suspicious of him. There are my reads form yesterday, I'll post new ideas given the further posting soon. | ||
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Imallinson has been heavily lurking this game. With 5 days of play gone he has only made 5 posts. Of these, the first post essentially mentioned two players and said that he was unsure of either of them. This added nothing to the game. His first act of any gravity was to vote for yomi but this vote was one of the last votes cast and yomi was already the most likely choice to get lynched.At this point voting for yomi was an extremely safe move for mafia as it was a common choice and a townie would be lynched. Now that we know yomi was townie this vote becomes more suspicious. Alone it might not be much but combined with the lurking and lack of solid posting it becomes suspicious. Looking back at the accusation against yomi, it initially seems to have content but reeally the only thing he used against yomi was He then tries to defend his vote for maju and doesn't do very well at it. "Why not" isn't a sufficient answer and I'm not buying the pressure vote excuse. It was such a baseless accusation that maju would never felt any real pressure. Again this feels like someone trying to look like he is contributing while not doing anything of the sort. I personally see this accusation: The asking everyone to post their previous games is strange. If you actually wanted to read through people's previous games you would just go and do it, especially given that the people in this game will have at most 2 other games. This seems to me to be trying to look like he is contributing. as rather weak. Imallinson recently contributed new ideas with his voting for Dracho (Gossemerr). We can see though that all the information used against Dracho in this post was posted before imallinson's initial list of reads. Why, imallinson, was none of this observed earlier? Also, Dracho was initially imallinson's third choice for scum behind yomi and Zealos. After yomi died Dracho suddenly moved up to first choice over Zealos with no explanation why his suspicions over Zealos diminished. After imallinsons first content filled post he finger of suspicions' Zealos while all the evidence that he later uses to vote Dracholich has already been posted. Also, he posted a lot more evidence against Dracho then against yomi. Assuming allin read everyone's posts carefully, his initial vote should have been for Dracho with yomi as a second choice. Why did that not happen imallinson? I think there is a chance that both Zealos and imallinson are both scum and that imallinson has been keeping Zealos as a second choice to avid suspicion then voted for townies. Zealos Similar to imallinson, Zealos has a lack of useful at the start before voting for me. Voting for me is not in itself suspicious. However, when I responded to his accusations he did not bother responding back. Unlike Dracho, who seemed to actually care about his words, Zealos just abandoned his initial accusations. Now his accusation of me is that I post little content, something that he did not mention at all in his initial post against me. The only reason not to rebut on my response to his accusations would be if I thoroughly convinced him I am not mafia. This obviously did not happen as he is still suspicious of me. I think that his initial vote on me was an attempt to start a movement against a townie. Once he realised his arguments were flawed, he decided to back off and never comment on them again but to still say he's suspicious of me so he is not questioned about a sudden change of heart. Also, I forgot to mention that though aggressiveness and one liners at the start of a game can be explained due to ego, a lack of useful posting cannot. These two are my reads as mafia. I am as yet unsure whom I want to vote for. | ||
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##Vote: imallinson | ||
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On April 28 2012 07:47 Zealos wrote: Wow, just noticed this, wtf? o.O Yeah, I meant vote, and not really, but I think we gotta lynch him due to the pure lack of posing. Even if he isn't scum, it'll send a neat little message to anyone else that thinks they can slip under the radar. By this do you mean that absolutely the only reason for your vote is lurking or do you agree with other posters accusations of imallinson? @Maju, I didn't see where you initially responded to my argument, and must have missed it, my apologies, however, coming up with a 2nd argument against someone is to add to the initial case. Ok, I guess the part of my accusation corresponding to this can be ignored. The part about you not contributing much content at the start still stands though. It is not explainable by ego. And why the sudden return to aggressive posting? I know you're being accused but there's no need to be acrimonious. You do sound like a broken record. I could not be more clear about this. 1. You have no content, and your 2. tone goes back and forth between abrasive/abusive and friendly townie, 3. plus you didn't post anything for 2 straight days, saying "oh the content's coming, oh I'm just waiting for deadline....no wait, I'm actually asleep at deadline," then when the grand post came around, 4. it said nothing new, and 5. you've made no action to question people since then, only asking our opinions of your opinions, and 6. bristling every time someone mentions you're scum. 1. I have more content than a few people at least, so that shouldn't put me too high up top. 2. Me being human. 3. RL comes before Mafia, sorry. 4. When you say nothing new, you just mean I agree with some people. I said before, in a game as short of this, it's absurd to think I won't end up agreeing with people on some points. 5. I've wanted to focus on clearing my own name first. 6. I fail to see how this is a scum trait at all. It seems pretty irrelevant. Scum don't want people to think they are scum, but neither do town players. 1. The people you have more content than have barely posted at all. You have posted many times but still have little content. 2. Everyone else is human as well yet few have the tone swings you do. This is even further highlighted by your recent posts. If a post was aggressive why didn't you just wait a bit and calm down? There's no need to respond immediately. 4. You could both agree with people and post new content. You have not done the latter. 5. Once again, you could do both. | ||
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Ok, I'll bite anyway. On Maju - I think that my original points stand, however, I am learning more towards bad town, rather than as a scumread. I'd like to see him make a case against his #1 Scumread, but for now, there are better targets. On April 27 2012 11:32 MajuGarzett wrote: imallinson Imallinson has been heavily lurking this game. With 5 days of play gone he has only made 5 posts. Of these, the first post essentially mentioned two players and said that he was unsure of either of them. This added nothing to the game. His first act of any gravity was to vote for yomi but this vote was one of the last votes cast and yomi was already the most likely choice to get lynched.At this point voting for yomi was an extremely safe move for mafia as it was a common choice and a townie would be lynched. Now that we know yomi was townie this vote becomes more suspicious. Alone it might not be much but combined with the lurking and lack of solid posting it becomes suspicious. Looking back at the accusation against yomi, it initially seems to have content but reeally the only thing he used against yomi was I personally see this accusation: as rather weak. Imallinson recently contributed new ideas with his voting for Dracho (Gossemerr). We can see though that all the information used against Dracho in this post was posted before imallinson's initial list of reads. Why, imallinson, was none of this observed earlier? Also, Dracho was initially imallinson's third choice for scum behind yomi and Zealos. After yomi died Dracho suddenly moved up to first choice over Zealos with no explanation why his suspicions over Zealos diminished. After imallinsons first content filled post he finger of suspicions' Zealos while all the evidence that he later uses to vote Dracholich has already been posted. Also, he posted a lot more evidence against Dracho then against yomi. Assuming allin read everyone's posts carefully, his initial vote should have been for Dracho with yomi as a second choice. Why did that not happen imallinson? I think there is a chance that both Zealos and imallinson are both scum and that imallinson has been keeping Zealos as a second choice to avid suspicion then voted for townies. Basically lurking, insubstantial posting, and strange accusations. | ||
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On April 28 2012 12:05 Stossel wrote: I am sorry, I had every intention of voting, but I thought I had more time. Who were you going to vote for? | ||
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I still plan to vote for imallinson tonight. I know others voted for him just to have consensus so is anyone going to change their vote from yesterday? | ||
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On April 30 2012 03:00 imallinson wrote: Hello everyone, I'm sorry for being so quiet the past few days. I have been really ill and wasn't in a fit state to read through the thread and post a lot. I will try to remedy that from now. As for general reads I'm starting to think Zealos might be town. He still posts a ton of one liners but given general inactivity I can't really blame him for that. With Arctic dead he is probably the highest contributing player. I'm still suspicious of Draco/Stossel but it's hard to make a case against a replacement. Maju, Dream and Oneplus I still think are town. No one else has posted enough to get a good read on. Once you get a chance to read through stuff can you post your responses to the cases against you? Hopefully that will give people something to discuss. | ||
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On April 30 2012 06:15 imallinson wrote: Well the case against me seems to basically be that I'm lurking, which I have explained, and not posting any strong views on people. The only person I had a strong read on was Draco but he was replaced so can't answer to that and his replacement has posted nothing besides a case against me and Zealos who are easy targets. I was very suspicious of Zealos Day 1 and Day 2 he was still suspicious to me but behind Draco. His posting has been better as the game has gone on so I'm starting to think he might be town, he is one of the people actually contributing. However, he is still very defensive and suggests some stuff that seems bad for the town so I'm still reasonably suspicious of him. I wasn't sure about Daniel and Mutant before they were replaced and their replacements haven't posted anything yet they could easily be scum but I can't make a case against them. Dream seems to be contributing as does Oneplus which makes me think they are town however seeing as there is so little posting in general it would be easy for scum to hide in a middle ground posting wise. Maju I'm really not sure on because it looks like he is contributing but his only real cases are against me and Zealos, again easy targets, so I think he might be trying to hide behind other people's cases. Insect I'm fairly sure is town. He contributes a lot and if he keeps up the good posting from earlier then he is probably my top town read at the moment. If there is any specific case you want me to answer I'll be happy to. + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2012 10:03 ArcticFox wrote: Stossel -- welcome to the game! Love the first post. Easy question for you, to get you into the flow -- your predecessor seemed to have many, many, MANY things to say about Maju. What are your thoughts on him? Now, I think we've given people ample time to show up and be useful. I'm more than ready to lock in my vote. ##Vote: imallinson He's almost made it his job to be useless to town. Had absolutely no opinion on anybody in town in his big summary post ("seems town, seems scum, null read, might be scum" etc etc -- you can check his filter and read it, it's not hard to find in his 4 posts), except for yomi, who he bandwagoned onto very easily. He had an FoS on Zealos after that, then decided to make his 3rd post on....Dracolich? He has volunteered no other opinions seperate from when I asked him directly about Zealos and oneplus, and his post there was STILL the "leaning town" and "fairly scummy" non-commital posting style he's done. In short, he's posted little, and what he's posted says nothing. He's scum and needs to hang. + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2012 11:32 MajuGarzett wrote: imallinson Imallinson has been heavily lurking this game. With 5 days of play gone he has only made 5 posts. Of these, the first post essentially mentioned two players and said that he was unsure of either of them. This added nothing to the game. His first act of any gravity was to vote for yomi but this vote was one of the last votes cast and yomi was already the most likely choice to get lynched.At this point voting for yomi was an extremely safe move for mafia as it was a common choice and a townie would be lynched. Now that we know yomi was townie this vote becomes more suspicious. Alone it might not be much but combined with the lurking and lack of solid posting it becomes suspicious. Looking back at the accusation against yomi, it initially seems to have content but reeally the only thing he used against yomi was I personally see this accusation: as rather weak. Imallinson recently contributed new ideas with his voting for Dracho (Gossemerr). We can see though that all the information used against Dracho in this post was posted before imallinson's initial list of reads. Why, imallinson, was none of this observed earlier? Also, Dracho was initially imallinson's third choice for scum behind yomi and Zealos. After yomi died Dracho suddenly moved up to first choice over Zealos with no explanation why his suspicions over Zealos diminished. After imallinsons first content filled post he finger of suspicions' Zealos while all the evidence that he later uses to vote Dracholich has already been posted. Also, he posted a lot more evidence against Dracho then against yomi. Assuming allin read everyone's posts carefully, his initial vote should have been for Dracho with yomi as a second choice. Why did that not happen imallinson? I think there is a chance that both Zealos and imallinson are both scum and that imallinson has been keeping Zealos as a second choice to avid suspicion then voted for townies. These are the ones in particular I would like you to respond to. There is more to the accusations than saying you were lurking. | ||
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You really haven't explained why you haven't had much information. Also,why would a change of players negate your read. The new player has the same role as the old one. | ||
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You've never really posted more than a few lines accusing imallinson. Do you have any reasons outside of imallinson's lurking or do you just generally agree with other people's accusations? | ||
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Keeping my vote from last time. He still hasn't responded to one of the arguments I quoted and has lurked. | ||
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Ahh, sorry. I was reading quickly before leaving for school and assumed the post ended when you voted. I'll think about who I'm voting for now. Its hard to accuse people on things other than lurking when they don't post. I'm not withdrawing my vote yet as I still have suspicions that imallinson may not be telling the truth when he said that he did not look at the filters closely. If there are any good cases my vote may change. | ||
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Why did you decide to vote for insect last round? You hadn't previously posted much against him and you said that Zealos was your strongest scum read. | ||
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Your scumslip was saying (or implying) that the replacements would have voted for imallinson if they were mafia, as I explained before. The post with why I voted for imallison is this one: I don't see how this is a scumslip. Its a true statement. I want to see Stossel post. I had my suspicions on Dracholich and they did not disappear with the player change. I also want Zealos to explain his votes in more detail. He says insect has seemed suspicious but doesn't day why. I would like to point out that insect defended against no point of dream's case. Insect merely gave facts about Dream then moved to other topics. Give a real defense, insect, or I may have to vote for you. | ||
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