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Also, brb lunch
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On April 23 2012 04:45 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 04:38 Mattchew wrote:
so paq, whats your opinion on blazing's alignment? The way he's been acting is disruptive and chaotic. Either bad townie or good scum.
Or you're scum trying to bail out your scumbuddy Marv
On April 23 2012 04:52 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 04:39 BlazingJitsu wrote:On April 23 2012 04:36 PaqMan wrote:
Oh jebus, you caught me. How about you try throwing down some proof instead of spouting out senseless crap.
You deliberately say nothing about Marv all game except this and this: On April 21 2012 23:00 PaqMan wrote:
BJ wtf did I just read. The only posts that made any sense was the one about the mass roleclaims and the fos on marvellosity, which I agree on.
I think he'd be a good candidate for a vigi shot. On April 21 2012 23:24 PaqMan wrote:
What are your thoughts on the current events? Do you think VE is right to call out Gonzaw as scum?
What do you think about Mattchew and Marvellosity? What about me??
You basically ignore any discussion about him because you are scum and afraid. You want him to be vigied instead of lynched because you talked to him in the scum QT and he was like "yeah i'm a godfather". We're gonna lynch him, he'll flip GF, then we're gonna lynch you. On April 23 2012 04:36 PaqMan wrote:
lolwut? If I wanted to ride a wagon then I'd be agreeing with all the bullshit capslock you throw at marv. If I was scum I'd leave my vote on Mattchew and wait until D1 ends. But it's obvious that I have no support at all behind my case against so I'm making my vote go to the next best thing, Risen. Paqman, why you scumslipping? If you were scum, wouldn't you leave your vote on Marv? Or do you actually think he's scum? ._. Seriously though if you wanted to ride a wagon you'd get on a wagon that's not the lynch wagon and not Marv (who you want to live). like the one you're on now. I never voted on Marv, what the hell are you talking about. I don't need to mention him because you've been riding his dick the entire game. I also looove how you keep putting words in my mouth because you know I'm not scum and you dont got shit on me.
I've actually been riding his ass, not his dick. Also, don't misinterpret me intentionally like you just did here. We were talking about what you'd do if you were scum. You said you'd leave your vote on Mattchew until the end of D1, and I said if you were scum and Marv were town, it'd make more sense for you to leave your vote on Marv instead of mattchew-- and the fact that you're assuming Marv is scum is consistent with a scumslip.
In any case, all these people on shitty not-Marv non-wagons as single votes need to come and vote for Marv. we're gonna lynch him, he's gonna flip GF, then we're gonna lynch Paq.
-Blazinghand
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On April 23 2012 07:13 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote:
Honestly johnnywup is my biggest scumread atm Pac. I have no idea why he thinks forwarding another lynch candidate at the last second is a good idea, and it just shits up the thread. Do we take the case against him seriously? Do we try and organize everyone to swap their votes over to zeph even though no one else has mentioned zeph as a serious candidate thus far? We can't do that, we don't have the time.
I know I was against it before, but I don't see how marvel could be pushing a lynch on VE right now. We can't lynch our claimed JK. It's been stated in the thread but I'll state it again. You don't lynch a claimed doctor, and we shouldn't lynch the closest thing we have to a doctor. Is it possible VE is lying? Yup. He might be lying and be a vigi, or a tracker, or scum, or vanilla. Doesn't matter. The only shitty thing is that the person who is jailed doesn't know they were jailed, so I don't know how to confirm his claim.
Regardless, a vote on VE is stupid. It's just like everyone who voted for me when I claimed a guaranteed sane detective with a red check. Only an idiot would vote for said blue unless it was LYLO. It's applicable here. We can't lynch someone who claims such a powerful blue role right now. Is it a shitty claim? Yeah. I don't think it was smart, but we have to roll with it now that it's in the open. Any trackers watch him, I guess.
I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel.
##vote marvellosity Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 07:10 Risen wrote:On April 23 2012 07:07 PaqMan wrote:Risen your defense is full of shit and fails to explain your: - wishy-washyness,
- overreacting, overly-defensive attitude,
- sudden jump on the marv wagon, even though johnny is your biggest scumread
He is scum. Take note of the actions he's made so far and read through his entire filter, and you'll see how scummy this guy is. No one is going to pay attention to you. You're an idiot. WHAT WAGON DID I JUMP ON. I never even placed my vote on marv. Go look at the voting thread. derpderpderp, I'm hurrdurrPaq, I don't actually read anything, I just jump on Gonzaw's case, say I'm going to be away, but actually never leave when Risen comes to defend himself.
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On April 23 2012 07:10 Risen wrote:
Go look at the voting thread.
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On April 23 2012 07:14 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 07:13 ghost_403 wrote:On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote:
Honestly johnnywup is my biggest scumread atm Pac. I have no idea why he thinks forwarding another lynch candidate at the last second is a good idea, and it just shits up the thread. Do we take the case against him seriously? Do we try and organize everyone to swap their votes over to zeph even though no one else has mentioned zeph as a serious candidate thus far? We can't do that, we don't have the time.
I know I was against it before, but I don't see how marvel could be pushing a lynch on VE right now. We can't lynch our claimed JK. It's been stated in the thread but I'll state it again. You don't lynch a claimed doctor, and we shouldn't lynch the closest thing we have to a doctor. Is it possible VE is lying? Yup. He might be lying and be a vigi, or a tracker, or scum, or vanilla. Doesn't matter. The only shitty thing is that the person who is jailed doesn't know they were jailed, so I don't know how to confirm his claim.
Regardless, a vote on VE is stupid. It's just like everyone who voted for me when I claimed a guaranteed sane detective with a red check. Only an idiot would vote for said blue unless it was LYLO. It's applicable here. We can't lynch someone who claims such a powerful blue role right now. Is it a shitty claim? Yeah. I don't think it was smart, but we have to roll with it now that it's in the open. Any trackers watch him, I guess.
I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel.
##vote marvellosity On April 23 2012 07:10 Risen wrote:On April 23 2012 07:07 PaqMan wrote:Risen your defense is full of shit and fails to explain your: - wishy-washyness,
- overreacting, overly-defensive attitude,
- sudden jump on the marv wagon, even though johnny is your biggest scumread
He is scum. Take note of the actions he's made so far and read through his entire filter, and you'll see how scummy this guy is. No one is going to pay attention to you. You're an idiot. WHAT WAGON DID I JUMP ON. I never even placed my vote on marv. Go look at the voting thread. derpderpderp, I'm hurrdurrPaq, I don't actually read anything, I just jump on Gonzaw's case, say I'm going to be away, but actually never leave when Risen comes to defend himself. Now go quote me int he voting thread. Oh wait, you can't, because I never actually voted for him. Durr, le hurr, hur hurr
Risen I would like to thank you: at least you're not derping up the thread like at least 6 players are in this game. The fact that some of these players MUST be town and not scum is just apalling.
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On April 23 2012 07:15 ghost_403 wrote:
BlazingJitsu, you down with a Risen lynch?
The only lynch I am down with is a Marv lynch. i will consider a paq lynch, but only as a last resort-- it's much better to lynch Marv first THEN paq, since a lot of my suspicion of Paq is an associative tell of Marv. Step 1) lynch Marv. Step 2) Lynch Paq
As a side note, TL's freaking flood control is preventing me from reacting quickly to most replies. I think this account is only allowed to post once every 5 minutes or so since it's new. Unless it's really urgent expect a 5ish minute delay for any post from this account. If it comes down to it I'll make the posts using Blazinghand and then repeat them with this account to make them filter-viewable.
EBWOP to any posts I made in the past 5 minutes:
-Blazinghand
On April 23 2012 07:20 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 07:16 BlazingJitsu wrote:On April 23 2012 07:14 Risen wrote:On April 23 2012 07:13 ghost_403 wrote:On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote:
Honestly johnnywup is my biggest scumread atm Pac. I have no idea why he thinks forwarding another lynch candidate at the last second is a good idea, and it just shits up the thread. Do we take the case against him seriously? Do we try and organize everyone to swap their votes over to zeph even though no one else has mentioned zeph as a serious candidate thus far? We can't do that, we don't have the time.
I know I was against it before, but I don't see how marvel could be pushing a lynch on VE right now. We can't lynch our claimed JK. It's been stated in the thread but I'll state it again. You don't lynch a claimed doctor, and we shouldn't lynch the closest thing we have to a doctor. Is it possible VE is lying? Yup. He might be lying and be a vigi, or a tracker, or scum, or vanilla. Doesn't matter. The only shitty thing is that the person who is jailed doesn't know they were jailed, so I don't know how to confirm his claim.
Regardless, a vote on VE is stupid. It's just like everyone who voted for me when I claimed a guaranteed sane detective with a red check. Only an idiot would vote for said blue unless it was LYLO. It's applicable here. We can't lynch someone who claims such a powerful blue role right now. Is it a shitty claim? Yeah. I don't think it was smart, but we have to roll with it now that it's in the open. Any trackers watch him, I guess.
I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel.
##vote marvellosity On April 23 2012 07:10 Risen wrote:On April 23 2012 07:07 PaqMan wrote:Risen your defense is full of shit and fails to explain your: - wishy-washyness,
- overreacting, overly-defensive attitude,
- sudden jump on the marv wagon, even though johnny is your biggest scumread
He is scum. Take note of the actions he's made so far and read through his entire filter, and you'll see how scummy this guy is. No one is going to pay attention to you. You're an idiot. WHAT WAGON DID I JUMP ON. I never even placed my vote on marv. Go look at the voting thread. derpderpderp, I'm hurrdurrPaq, I don't actually read anything, I just jump on Gonzaw's case, say I'm going to be away, but actually never leave when Risen comes to defend himself. Now go quote me int he voting thread. Oh wait, you can't, because I never actually voted for him. Durr, le hurr, hur hurr Risen I would like to thank you: at least you're not derping up the thread like at least 6 players are in this game. The fact that some of these players MUST be town and not scum is just apalling. oh hai your finally back from lunch. I assume you're going to go back to shitting up the thread with your half-assed claims?
No, that's you, scum. I'm here to save the town from you and jubjubs.
-Blazinghand
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On April 23 2012 07:22 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 07:21 Blazinghand wrote:On April 23 2012 07:20 PaqMan wrote:On April 23 2012 07:16 BlazingJitsu wrote:On April 23 2012 07:14 Risen wrote:On April 23 2012 07:13 ghost_403 wrote:On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote:
Honestly johnnywup is my biggest scumread atm Pac. I have no idea why he thinks forwarding another lynch candidate at the last second is a good idea, and it just shits up the thread. Do we take the case against him seriously? Do we try and organize everyone to swap their votes over to zeph even though no one else has mentioned zeph as a serious candidate thus far? We can't do that, we don't have the time.
I know I was against it before, but I don't see how marvel could be pushing a lynch on VE right now. We can't lynch our claimed JK. It's been stated in the thread but I'll state it again. You don't lynch a claimed doctor, and we shouldn't lynch the closest thing we have to a doctor. Is it possible VE is lying? Yup. He might be lying and be a vigi, or a tracker, or scum, or vanilla. Doesn't matter. The only shitty thing is that the person who is jailed doesn't know they were jailed, so I don't know how to confirm his claim.
Regardless, a vote on VE is stupid. It's just like everyone who voted for me when I claimed a guaranteed sane detective with a red check. Only an idiot would vote for said blue unless it was LYLO. It's applicable here. We can't lynch someone who claims such a powerful blue role right now. Is it a shitty claim? Yeah. I don't think it was smart, but we have to roll with it now that it's in the open. Any trackers watch him, I guess.
I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel.
##vote marvellosity On April 23 2012 07:10 Risen wrote:On April 23 2012 07:07 PaqMan wrote:Risen your defense is full of shit and fails to explain your: - wishy-washyness,
- overreacting, overly-defensive attitude,
- sudden jump on the marv wagon, even though johnny is your biggest scumread
He is scum. Take note of the actions he's made so far and read through his entire filter, and you'll see how scummy this guy is. No one is going to pay attention to you. You're an idiot. WHAT WAGON DID I JUMP ON. I never even placed my vote on marv. Go look at the voting thread. derpderpderp, I'm hurrdurrPaq, I don't actually read anything, I just jump on Gonzaw's case, say I'm going to be away, but actually never leave when Risen comes to defend himself. Now go quote me int he voting thread. Oh wait, you can't, because I never actually voted for him. Durr, le hurr, hur hurr Risen I would like to thank you: at least you're not derping up the thread like at least 6 players are in this game. The fact that some of these players MUST be town and not scum is just apalling. oh hai your finally back from lunch. I assume you're going to go back to shitting up the thread with your half-assed claims? No, that's you, scum. I'm here to save the town from you and jubjubs.
-Blazinghand I'm genuinely looking forward to throwing this in your face post-game.
I'm genuinely looking forward to hanging your worthless scum ass in the next few hours.
-Blazinghand
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On April 23 2012 07:24 PaqMan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 07:21 BlazingJitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 07:15 ghost_403 wrote:
BlazingJitsu, you down with a Risen lynch? The only lynch I am down with is a Marv lynch. i will consider a paq lynch, but only as a last resort-- it's much better to lynch Marv first THEN paq, since a lot of my suspicion of Paq is an associative tell of Marv. Step 1) lynch Marv. Step 2) Lynch Paq As a side note, TL's freaking flood control is preventing me from reacting quickly to most replies. I think this account is only allowed to post once every 5 minutes or so since it's new. Unless it's really urgent expect a 5ish minute delay for any post from this account. If it comes down to it I'll make the posts using Blazinghand and then repeat them with this account to make them filter-viewable. EBWOP to any posts I made in the past 5 minutes:
-Blazinghand Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 07:20 PaqMan wrote:On April 23 2012 07:16 BlazingJitsu wrote:On April 23 2012 07:14 Risen wrote:On April 23 2012 07:13 ghost_403 wrote:On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote:
Honestly johnnywup is my biggest scumread atm Pac. I have no idea why he thinks forwarding another lynch candidate at the last second is a good idea, and it just shits up the thread. Do we take the case against him seriously? Do we try and organize everyone to swap their votes over to zeph even though no one else has mentioned zeph as a serious candidate thus far? We can't do that, we don't have the time.
I know I was against it before, but I don't see how marvel could be pushing a lynch on VE right now. We can't lynch our claimed JK. It's been stated in the thread but I'll state it again. You don't lynch a claimed doctor, and we shouldn't lynch the closest thing we have to a doctor. Is it possible VE is lying? Yup. He might be lying and be a vigi, or a tracker, or scum, or vanilla. Doesn't matter. The only shitty thing is that the person who is jailed doesn't know they were jailed, so I don't know how to confirm his claim.
Regardless, a vote on VE is stupid. It's just like everyone who voted for me when I claimed a guaranteed sane detective with a red check. Only an idiot would vote for said blue unless it was LYLO. It's applicable here. We can't lynch someone who claims such a powerful blue role right now. Is it a shitty claim? Yeah. I don't think it was smart, but we have to roll with it now that it's in the open. Any trackers watch him, I guess.
I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel.
##vote marvellosity On April 23 2012 07:10 Risen wrote:On April 23 2012 07:07 PaqMan wrote:Risen your defense is full of shit and fails to explain your: - wishy-washyness,
- overreacting, overly-defensive attitude,
- sudden jump on the marv wagon, even though johnny is your biggest scumread
He is scum. Take note of the actions he's made so far and read through his entire filter, and you'll see how scummy this guy is. No one is going to pay attention to you. You're an idiot. WHAT WAGON DID I JUMP ON. I never even placed my vote on marv. Go look at the voting thread. derpderpderp, I'm hurrdurrPaq, I don't actually read anything, I just jump on Gonzaw's case, say I'm going to be away, but actually never leave when Risen comes to defend himself. Now go quote me int he voting thread. Oh wait, you can't, because I never actually voted for him. Durr, le hurr, hur hurr Risen I would like to thank you: at least you're not derping up the thread like at least 6 players are in this game. The fact that some of these players MUST be town and not scum is just apalling. oh hai your finally back from lunch. I assume you're going to go back to shitting up the thread with your half-assed claims? No, that's you, scum. I'm here to save the town from you and jubjubs.
-Blazinghand If you think I'm scum come at me bro. You have nothing to back up your sorry claims besides the fact that I believe Marv is town.
Easy enough; we lynch Marv, he flips GF, it becomes clear you were directing vigis onto him to waste their shots, then we lynch you, and your scumteam is very mad at both you and Marv for being sub terrible people.
On April 23 2012 07:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 07:24 BlazingJitsu wrote:On April 23 2012 07:22 marvellosity wrote:On April 23 2012 07:21 Blazinghand wrote:On April 23 2012 07:20 PaqMan wrote:On April 23 2012 07:16 BlazingJitsu wrote:On April 23 2012 07:14 Risen wrote:On April 23 2012 07:13 ghost_403 wrote:On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote:
Honestly johnnywup is my biggest scumread atm Pac. I have no idea why he thinks forwarding another lynch candidate at the last second is a good idea, and it just shits up the thread. Do we take the case against him seriously? Do we try and organize everyone to swap their votes over to zeph even though no one else has mentioned zeph as a serious candidate thus far? We can't do that, we don't have the time.
I know I was against it before, but I don't see how marvel could be pushing a lynch on VE right now. We can't lynch our claimed JK. It's been stated in the thread but I'll state it again. You don't lynch a claimed doctor, and we shouldn't lynch the closest thing we have to a doctor. Is it possible VE is lying? Yup. He might be lying and be a vigi, or a tracker, or scum, or vanilla. Doesn't matter. The only shitty thing is that the person who is jailed doesn't know they were jailed, so I don't know how to confirm his claim.
Regardless, a vote on VE is stupid. It's just like everyone who voted for me when I claimed a guaranteed sane detective with a red check. Only an idiot would vote for said blue unless it was LYLO. It's applicable here. We can't lynch someone who claims such a powerful blue role right now. Is it a shitty claim? Yeah. I don't think it was smart, but we have to roll with it now that it's in the open. Any trackers watch him, I guess.
I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel.
##vote marvellosity On April 23 2012 07:10 Risen wrote:On April 23 2012 07:07 PaqMan wrote:Risen your defense is full of shit and fails to explain your: - wishy-washyness,
- overreacting, overly-defensive attitude,
- sudden jump on the marv wagon, even though johnny is your biggest scumread
He is scum. Take note of the actions he's made so far and read through his entire filter, and you'll see how scummy this guy is. No one is going to pay attention to you. You're an idiot. WHAT WAGON DID I JUMP ON. I never even placed my vote on marv. Go look at the voting thread. derpderpderp, I'm hurrdurrPaq, I don't actually read anything, I just jump on Gonzaw's case, say I'm going to be away, but actually never leave when Risen comes to defend himself. Now go quote me int he voting thread. Oh wait, you can't, because I never actually voted for him. Durr, le hurr, hur hurr Risen I would like to thank you: at least you're not derping up the thread like at least 6 players are in this game. The fact that some of these players MUST be town and not scum is just apalling. oh hai your finally back from lunch. I assume you're going to go back to shitting up the thread with your half-assed claims? No, that's you, scum. I'm here to save the town from you and jubjubs.
-Blazinghand I'm genuinely looking forward to throwing this in your face post-game. I'm genuinely looking forward to hanging your worthless scum ass in the next few hours.
-Blazinghand I thought it was only bad newbs who tunneled so much and used confirmation bias so heavily in their cases. Apparently I was quite wrong.
Pros like myself will tunnel hard, develop a case, force mistakes, and be right and crush scum like yourself who deserve to be crushed like the flies you are. What's the matter? Worried bout getting lynched?
-Blazinghand
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On April 23 2012 07:45 MidnightGladius wrote:
BJ, you're flooding the thread with duplicate posts and making it really hard for me to follow the dialogue. Yes, TL may have put a flood control on your account, but instead of posting short individual replies on multiple accounts, could you consolidate your posts and address everything at once?
Also, with regards to your conviction: what would it take to convince you that you were wrong about marv? When I voted for him, it was because his posts were fluffy, and I told myself that if he started posting more substantially, then he would be less likely to be scum. From your perspective, his later posts reflected him playing to the standard you set for him. Instead of acquitting him, you used his behavior to further incriminate him. So I ask you this, and you don't have to answer in thread if you're afraid of WIFOM or whatever, but what would convince you that marv is town? If you're absolutely certain, and nothing could shift your beliefs, then remember that this is a game of incomplete information, and that you can't possibly be sure.
Personally, I think lynching marv would make a terrible mislynch at this point.
This is a fair point. I'll do my best to consolidate replies and posts and increase the legibility of this thread. I can get a bit out of hand at times.
Regarding what could convince I was wrong about Marv: at this point, very little. If you take a look at Marv's development as a player, in the past few hours he's been posting like a regular guy, an acceptable contributor-- everything seems normal. if he had been posting like this all game, I wouldn't be on his ass like this. But at the beginning, at the time of my first case, he was super scummy-- posting several times and saying nothing. my initial case was to pressure him. He responded by trying to appear active, but still being worthless. i kept on pushing, and bit by bit he stepped up his game. Only with enormous pressure was I able to make him contribute. If he had become useful after my initial pressure, that would have been fine-- but his continued attempts to lurk were scummy.
At this point, I am convinced Marv is scum and I will likely not be unconvinced unless something amazing happens. I will consider lynching someone else who is scum in an attempt to avoid mislynch, but voting Marv and getting him lynched is priority #1 for me.
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On April 23 2012 07:52 iGrok wrote:
Lynch in 1 hour.
Please tone it down guys (You know who you are). If this game degenerates into a flame fest, redff will be right, and we can't have that, can we?
Fair enough.
Gentlemen, I am at your disposal. What can I do to get this Marv lynch rolling?
-Blazinghand
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On April 23 2012 07:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 07:47 Risen wrote:
Layabout. Please respond. Why are you still on VE? Anyone else still on VE, why are you still on VE? terrible objection to gonzaw, terrible claim, terrible scumslip case on gonzaw, terribly timed claim in conjunction with gonzaw plan, and ragequitting. Since when is ragequitting a valid defence or pro-town play?
It is not pro-town play, but it is typical VE play as town. He did something similar in SOAF IIRC.
-Blazinghand
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On April 23 2012 08:03 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 08:01 BlazingJitsu wrote:On April 23 2012 07:51 marvellosity wrote:On April 23 2012 07:47 Risen wrote:
Layabout. Please respond. Why are you still on VE? Anyone else still on VE, why are you still on VE? terrible objection to gonzaw, terrible claim, terrible scumslip case on gonzaw, terribly timed claim in conjunction with gonzaw plan, and ragequitting. Since when is ragequitting a valid defence or pro-town play? It is not pro-town play, but it is typical VE play as town. He did something similar in SOAF IIRC.
-Blazinghand I think he was co-hosting that game Gonna go sleep. If you are afraid of killing VE then kill BM, neither of them care about the game anyway.
I seem to recall him actually leading a shitty mislynch, then giving up when I pressured him N1. Since, you know, I was *in* that game.
But hey maybe you're right.
-Blazinghand
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On April 23 2012 08:06 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 07:59 BlazingJitsu wrote:On April 23 2012 07:45 MidnightGladius wrote:
BJ, you're flooding the thread with duplicate posts and making it really hard for me to follow the dialogue. Yes, TL may have put a flood control on your account, but instead of posting short individual replies on multiple accounts, could you consolidate your posts and address everything at once?
Also, with regards to your conviction: what would it take to convince you that you were wrong about marv? When I voted for him, it was because his posts were fluffy, and I told myself that if he started posting more substantially, then he would be less likely to be scum. From your perspective, his later posts reflected him playing to the standard you set for him. Instead of acquitting him, you used his behavior to further incriminate him. So I ask you this, and you don't have to answer in thread if you're afraid of WIFOM or whatever, but what would convince you that marv is town? If you're absolutely certain, and nothing could shift your beliefs, then remember that this is a game of incomplete information, and that you can't possibly be sure.
Personally, I think lynching marv would make a terrible mislynch at this point.
This is a fair point. I'll do my best to consolidate replies and posts and increase the legibility of this thread. I can get a bit out of hand at times. Regarding what could convince I was wrong about Marv: at this point, very little. If you take a look at Marv's development as a player, in the past few hours he's been posting like a regular guy, an acceptable contributor-- everything seems normal. if he had been posting like this all game, I wouldn't be on his ass like this. But at the beginning, at the time of my first case, he was super scummy-- posting several times and saying nothing. my initial case was to pressure him. He responded by trying to appear active, but still being worthless. i kept on pushing, and bit by bit he stepped up his game. Only with enormous pressure was I able to make him contribute. If he had become useful after my initial pressure, that would have been fine-- but his continued attempts to lurk were scummy. At this point, I am convinced Marv is scum and I will likely not be unconvinced unless something amazing happens. I will consider lynching someone else who is scum in an attempt to avoid mislynch, but voting Marv and getting him lynched is priority #1 for me. Alrighty, I'm done being angry with you. I would love for you to consider scenario 2 though, which I did try to explain at some point: I sadly have a social life, and my original one-liners were due to not having the required time to make a thorough analysis of what's at hand. Last night I was playing mafia and not socialising as much as I could have because actually I'd rather not get lynched for something so silly. Now the game has got rolling, I'm back home, I have more to comment on and say, and as you say, this is more 'normal'. Long story short - I didn't have much time and posted a couple of one-liners (obviously i should have just posted nothing). Now I have more time I am posting more sensibly and it is more thought out. It was not 'your pressure' that made me contribute, it's the fact that I spent time I previously did not to try to contribute. Please consider this instead of just a dismissive wave of the hand where everything I do simply confirms the previous thing. Because that's just not good logical thinking.
I understand the excuses you've made for your scummy behavior. It is possible they are the truth. But look at it from my perspective: you're arguing that coincidentally, you happened to gradually step up your game as I pressured you, and coincidentally, it just happened to look like you were trying as hard as possible to not contribute but look like you were contributing. A scum player like yourself easily makes up a story about a social life.
Is there anything to your statements that makes me think you're not lying? In fact, as scum, this is exactly the lie you'd tell, isn't it?
Your lies are meaningless. They aren't something only a townie could do. They do not convince me, scum.
##Still Voting: Marv
-Blazinghand
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On April 23 2012 08:15 Mementoss wrote:
The fact that people that haven't contributed ANYTHING to this game. BM and Zephridd are just stopping by and like SUP? Ima last minute vote VE he is scummmmmmm. Then Zephridd was like wait, I fucked up that last minute part we actually had an hour LOL gg.
Zeph scum with Marv and Paq
-Blazinghand
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I've got to go in about 10 minutes, so I'm gonna lay it out here:
VE is a moron and a giver-upper but he does this as town.
BM is inactive and unhelpful but he does this as town.
You know what I think about Marv
I have an associative tell for Paq regarding the Marv deal
Zeph jumps out as unusually bad and scummy.
I'm willing to consider moving my vote from Marv to Paq if it's not possible to lynch Marv today. I am open to any new arguments. I'm around for 10 more minutes then I've gotta run.
Marv is scum.
-Blazinghand
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On April 23 2012 08:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 08:37 Mementoss wrote:On April 23 2012 08:35 marvellosity wrote:
As time is running out, I would seriously like an answer to my couple of posts further up this page. Anyone? I would say unless you are super confident VE would flip scum than BM is a better lynch. BM - useless lurker that people are going to be wondering about all game. If he doesn't flip scum he flips Vanilla. VE - If he doesnt flip scum he flips JK. So how do we resolve the VE situation given he's basically not playing? What do we do with him tomorrow?
oh man you're right, what should we do with a player who's being utterly worthless
-Blazinghand
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On April 23 2012 08:40 johnnywup wrote:
Where's jitsu been?
He's been playing Diablo 3.
-Blazinghand
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On April 23 2012 08:40 johnnywup wrote:
Where's jitsu been?
Also, what's it matter? This isn't the first time I've seen this.
Blazinghand and I are one entity this game. It doesn't matter who signs the end of the post. More then likely, we are coming to agreements together in another form of communication and solidifying reads/talking about the game. The more people who ask where I am, the longer I refrain from posting to spite you all. >.>
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Well guys all I have to say is you should have listened to me and we should have lynched Marv. You have my deepest assurance that over the course of the next 72 hours I will stop at nothing to get Marv lynched. It should have been obvious that VE was playing crappy town play. It was obvious to me. It was obvious to Risen. In fact, it's interesting how obvious it was to people who put any decent thought into it or were intelligent, thoughtful people, that this was the case.
All of you who had your votes on people that weren't Marv, you also allowed this to happen. You allowed a delicious mixture of jubjubs and scum to lead us down a path of idiocy. I typically try not to beat people up over this sort of thing, but it's so blatantly obvious that Marv is scum.
I'm going to briefly talk about Marv's scumbuddies Paqman and MidnightGladius. I don't know who the fourth man is, but given the distinct possibility of being shot (as the only useful townie in a game with a flipped JK) I feel the need to lay it out tonight my cases.
The main component of my case against Paqman is an associate tell. You may recall I was fairly aggressive towards Marv over the course of D1. In fact, it dominated a fair amount of my D1 posting. I pushed on the issue pretty hard, and many people had to comment on it one way or another. Of the active posters, Paqman stands out for distinctly not commenting on my case on Marv-- basically at all. But even moreso he never talks TO Marv. Here are his posts related to/addressing Marv before he is called out on it:
On April 21 2012 23:00 PaqMan wrote:
BJ wtf did I just read. The only posts that made any sense was the one about the mass roleclaims and the fos on marvellosity, which I agree on.
I think he'd be a good candidate for a vigi shot. On April 21 2012 23:24 PaqMan wrote:
What are your thoughts on the current events? Do you think VE is right to call out Gonzaw as scum?
What do you think about Mattchew and Marvellosity? What about me??
How do you go so long without talking to Marv, and also only talking about him incidentally? Well, it's easy, PaqMan is talking to Marv in the scum QT, and he instinctively avoids interacting with him here in the game. He also tried to direct the lynch AWAY from Marv and vigi shots TOWARDS him. For this reason I think Marv is probably a GodFather, and Paqman was trying to use him to eat vigi shots.
Of course, after I called him out on it about a day ago, PaqMan has addressed Marv incidentally a couple times. But nothing serious. In any case, the best course of action here is to lynch Marv first, then when he flips GF, lynch Paq.
The other associative tell case I've got is on MidnightGladius. He seems a little too diplomatic, and reserved in his posting. He actually briefly pulled the wool over my eyes here: + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 07:59 BlazingJitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 07:45 MidnightGladius wrote:
BJ, you're flooding the thread with duplicate posts and making it really hard for me to follow the dialogue. Yes, TL may have put a flood control on your account, but instead of posting short individual replies on multiple accounts, could you consolidate your posts and address everything at once?
Also, with regards to your conviction: what would it take to convince you that you were wrong about marv? When I voted for him, it was because his posts were fluffy, and I told myself that if he started posting more substantially, then he would be less likely to be scum. From your perspective, his later posts reflected him playing to the standard you set for him. Instead of acquitting him, you used his behavior to further incriminate him. So I ask you this, and you don't have to answer in thread if you're afraid of WIFOM or whatever, but what would convince you that marv is town? If you're absolutely certain, and nothing could shift your beliefs, then remember that this is a game of incomplete information, and that you can't possibly be sure.
Personally, I think lynching marv would make a terrible mislynch at this point.
This is a fair point. I'll do my best to consolidate replies and posts and increase the legibility of this thread. I can get a bit out of hand at times. Regarding what could convince I was wrong about Marv: at this point, very little. If you take a look at Marv's development as a player, in the past few hours he's been posting like a regular guy, an acceptable contributor-- everything seems normal. if he had been posting like this all game, I wouldn't be on his ass like this. But at the beginning, at the time of my first case, he was super scummy-- posting several times and saying nothing. my initial case was to pressure him. He responded by trying to appear active, but still being worthless. i kept on pushing, and bit by bit he stepped up his game. Only with enormous pressure was I able to make him contribute. If he had become useful after my initial pressure, that would have been fine-- but his continued attempts to lurk were scummy. At this point, I am convinced Marv is scum and I will likely not be unconvinced unless something amazing happens. I will consider lynching someone else who is scum in an attempt to avoid mislynch, but voting Marv and getting him lynched is priority #1 for me.
Then, there's this deal here:
On April 23 2012 07:48 MidnightGladius wrote:
Wait, when exactly is the deadline? Is it exactly 48 hours from the Day 1 post, ie ~1.5 hours from now? On April 23 2012 07:49 marvellosity wrote:
Could you please update the OP with the deadline time, at the moment it still says TBD
Now, it's actually totally reasonable to wonder about the deadline. It might even be reasonable for these guys to post right next to each other like this. But someone else pointed this out in the thread earlier (I forget who and cant find it)-- but this sort of thing is typical for scum. What happens is they are discussing something in their scum QT together, and they're all like "huh that's weird, I can't find the deadline" and so both MG and Marv thought to ask the host based on their convo in the QT, and did so simultaneously.
Big mistake.
This is a weaker scumtell though, since it's based on a scumslip rather than on a more developed case. I'll have to read up on MG's filter more since I haven't interacted with him extensively this game-- Marv is the chief candidate for me, then Paq, then MG.
In summary, Marv is scum. As always. And I will push him until one of us is dead. Paq is definitely his scumbuddy. MG is probably his scumbuddy.
I'm off to class for a bit. I'll be back before daybreak to respond to questions, comments, and concerns, and to find the 4th scum and singlehandedly finger the whole scumteam.
-Blazinghand
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On April 24 2012 07:38 layabout wrote:
"I pledge to stop swearing for the rest of the game in the hope that we will all be nicer to each other"
- layabout
BH is trying to get town cred from the lynch even though he ignored VE until it was too late for him to stop the lynch.
We should lynch BlazingJitsu tomorrow.
If St. Daniel is posting in another game but not this one even though this started first then there must be a reason for this. It seems likely that this reason is that he rolled scum and is frightened to post.
Are you fucking kidding me? By what unfathomable absence of reason do you think I wanted VE to get lynched? I literally did everything I could to get Marv lynched.
-Blazinghand
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On April 24 2012 08:32 johnnywup wrote:
Bad timing for that swearing Blazing :x
I didn't insult anyone. I've toned it down quite a bit actually. The insulting part of my post is the part where I imply an "unfathomable absence of reason"-- but I consider it within normal bounds of TL Mafia play.
-Blazinghand.
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