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Compared to a 40 page game that started over 50 hours ago with 2 posts. MFW. | ||
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MidnightGladius voted Johnnywup Ghost_403 voted [UoN]Sentinal Acknowledgment from these players on this would be appreciated. | ||
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On April 24 2012 01:43 ghost_403 wrote: @mementoss: I made my position very clear on my vote. If I had believed my vote was necessary to achieve a VE lynch, i would have switched. Accusing me of trying to spoil a lynch that was a sure thing is disingenuous. What is the point keeping your vote on someone who is not going to get lynched? It is the same as having no vote, cause you actions have no influence on who is going to get voted out. Its a very anti-town thing to do imo. I would say anyone that was around not voting Marv BM Risen or VE, at the end of the day wasted their vote. As a result, scums 4 votes became ever more powerful in taking a blue away from us. At the end of the day if you weren't convinced VE was scum per sae, would it not have been better to lynch someone who was vanilla rather than someone who was JK? Cause if VE wasn't red he was blue. | ||
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On April 24 2012 01:44 layabout wrote: I think we were correct to vote for VE given what we knew. I think that it was irresponsible for Blazinghand to wait so long to pull his head out of marv's ass to tell us that VE had done this before, since that is super-fucking-relevant to judging his alignment, and by the time he pointed it out there were very few people left to read it or change their vote. He is also lording the fact that he made the call over us and trying to get us to trust him. BH was around for hours before the lynch when we were all here and he just tunnelled marv and ignored VE. I think you guys need to stop calling for vigi's to shoot so early because in this set-up a vigilante that shoots night1 knowing that they are aiming for 2/4 mafia and only 2/18 players in the game, the longer the game goes better the chance of the shot, also with only 1 shot you would have to be very confident or very foolish to shoot today or even tomorrow in this set-up. The bolded part is ridiculous. No, you were not correct given the information you had. Just admit you were wrong, and you were mis-using logic/sheeping/tunnelling into VE, which ultimately lead to you helping scum kill one of our blue roles. It bothered me that no-one voting VE yesterday cause answer the question I posed, "Why would VE do this as scum?". Admit you were wrong, re-read his filter, learn from your mistakes. Tryimg to make yourself look good after you were the one pushing hardest for a majority of the day against anyone who made good points about why to not lynch VE/why VE was probably telling the truth? (Against me and Risen later in the day) However, despite all this I've thought about it, and I think you were just geniunely mistaken and wrong. I don't think a scum, would push so hard all day with the amount of detail you did to lynching VE, knowing that he would flip blue. As of now I don't have any particulary good scum reads, I need to review the thread now knowing the flip. But I feel like Mattchew is probably town, and so is Risen, based on their actions prior to the lynch. | ||
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On April 24 2012 07:48 layabout wrote: Mementoss why did you completely turn around your reads on VE, Risen and Marv? + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 23:35 Mementoss wrote: + Show Spoiler [snip] + Your lack of focus not only annoys me but is suspicious, you can't make up your mind or stick to anything. Lets go through this for you: -Lets Lynch Gonzaw (in this fashion FOR THE TOWN LYNCH GONZAW IM SURE HES SCUM) -Lets Lynch Bill Murray ( in the same fashion) Then this: On April 22 2012 13:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Do we lynch BM or Mattchew? This is the first time you've even mentioned Mattchew in your filter since your first joke vote. You give no reasoning behind the Mattchew suspicion at all. Then this: On April 22 2012 22:06 VisceraEyes wrote: The scum are Bill Murray, gonzaw, MidnightGladius, layabout as far as I can see. I want to kill BM first. Where'd Mattchew go? Now this: On April 22 2012 23:15 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not actually - I don't think I'm any better that anyone else - only slightly more experienced. I'm trying to use reason as a defense, but it's not really working. Anyway, I'd like to hear EVERYONE'S thoughts on the BH/Jitsu hydra please. As hyperactive as they were pre-game, they should have been in here freaking out by now. I actually feel like I want to lynch BH/Jitsu more than BM at this point. What do you guys think? Now you want to lynch BJ, even though they weren't on your scum team just a few posts earlier and you never even mentioned them other than, they should be all over my claim. They should be posting is your only reasoning against them. Not being in the thread at a particular time is not a case sorry to say. This is also very relevant to your scum meta in LI, odd claims, massive suspicion switches, can't keep your stories straight or keep your head on straight for that matter. You keep mentioning things such as after I flip you'll be sorry and such. As well as saying things like "THIS IS TOWNS BEST OPTION THEY WILL FLIP SCUM FOR SURE!" Your play is ridiculous to say the least. Your the most scummy in my mind right now. Unvote: marvellosity Vote: VisceraEyes + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 03:32 Mementoss wrote: + Show Spoiler [snip] + The more I think of it, the more I agree and like Gonzaws points on why lynching Risen is better than VE or BM. VE very well could be JK, his claim doesn't make sense either side. If we don't lynch him and his claim is true, scum will most likely take care of him either tonight or the next night. Maybe by then he can somehow prove his claim. I think its best to wait it out. Worse case by lynching him we take out our own blue. Let mafia waste KP on that. BM should be vigged if we have a vig, claim the shot before you shoot. If he doesn't die, We know that, either the shooter or BM is GF. Hes lurking and acting scummy, but hard to tell cause he has like 3 posts. Lynching him doesn't tell us anything if hes town, shooting him is the better option. Also I like gonzaws case on Risen. His posts lack meaning and consistency. He has a hard time to commiting to anything and his emotions are all over the place. Im happy with a Risen lynch over the other two. Risen looks scummy, and the other two cases will hopefully work themselves out with night actions/ VE somehow confirms his claim then gets killed by mafia KP. ##Unvote: VisceraEyes ##Vote: Risen + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 08:11 Mementoss wrote: Why are we lynching a JK cause hes bad again? [image blocked] + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 08:20 Mementoss wrote: I would also vote BM. I am beginning to think Marv is town, and since I agree with the defensive stance on VE risen took, it kinda makes me think hes town. If he was scum, he woulda just let VE die, and vote VE like a sheep. At the time Marv was the best case out there, and I wanted more pressure on him to keep posting more to see if we could get scumminess out of him. At first glance, I immediately thought of VE in LI, and though hes doing this again and voted him based on not only this, but his inconsistent views. I re-read the context of VE's case, and asked myself the same questions I kept asking everyone else, why would he do this as scum? I couldn't figure it out. Then I asked myself is this bad town play or scum? The answer should have been pretty obvious to most looking at the context of the claim as well as how it was done, along with the awkward rage-quit. As well as the super fast bandwagon/sheeping of 9 people, in which almost everyone just said omg bad claim and voted him. Easy way out. Additionally, why take the risk of lynching claimed JK with no pressure day 1? There were ways he coulda confirmed his role, if he wasn't dead from scum after 2 nights it woulda been ultra suspicious. Gonzaw posted what appeared to be a good case on Risen. Risen hadn't posted much as of late and Marv was posting somewhat better. So I voted Risen, being my best scum read atm, also knowing that I didn't want VE to die AT ALL. Once I realized there was 0 chance of Marv or Risen dieing, I voted BM. The second most votes. Was I sure he was scum? Nope. Would I rather mislynch a vanilla than a JK. Your damn right. And a lurking one at that. Onto that, the way Risen was pushing people to get off VE and mentioning some similar things to what I was thinking/saying earlier I thought he was town for this action. Marv I initially thought this was the case too, but I realized he just took his vote off to make himself look concerned. And ultimately, he put that vote back there with tonnes of showing of why it was a bad idea at the end of the thread, by me Risen and Mattchew. Still looking weird in my eyes. | ||
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On April 24 2012 08:39 marvellosity wrote: You've said this twice now, so I'm going to call you up on it. Here is my filter for the voting thread. Why would you do something in the thread but not the voting thread just to screw me up? | ||
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On April 24 2012 08:40 Mementoss wrote: Why would you do something in the thread but not the voting thread just to screw me up? I was wrong. I was sure last night while we were in the thread, you said ##Unvote and then said, can someone convince me why lynching BM is better than VE | ||
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On April 24 2012 21:18 iGrok wrote: BlazingJitsu has been modkilled for bad behavior. BlazingJitsu, Townie, has been killed. can this be explained? I don't see it | ||
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Marvellosity BillMurray layabout Sentinel Ottoxlol Zephridd It gives us better chances at catching a scum because I think there was most definitely at least 1 scum on this vote. Maybe even two. I will be looking into all these people a lot more closely. Not only is it a better chance for catching scum statistically, but none of these players even seem remotely towny to me. I guess I will have to find the scummiest one. At the moment I find the case about Ottoxol to be good. After reading the case I re-read Ottoxols filter, which is decieving if you look at it. It makes it look like he wasn't lurking. But yet, all the posts were of him talking about gonzaws plan, or of how GF have no KP read da rules, or of how VE was bad, or anti-town. He never once explained why VE was scummy, other than, this is bad town play it must be scum. He's not answering all my questions he must be scum. I will add a couple of weird quotes to supplement what BJ already said. On April 23 2012 10:38 Ottoxlol wrote: It seems like the ppl doesnt read the whole thread. My case against VE was simple. He told us never give up any information to the scum, then proceed to a bad claim that ensures his early death as a blue. This is bad play, hes the best player ever so he would not do that if he is indeed town JK. I tried to ask him about this decision tell me what did I miss or what was his idea what would happen, no answer. He ignored my 6 posts directed towards him, then after the votes started to pile up on him he tried defending himself, I told him what am i interested in, he talked about the massvigclaim after we already closed it and had nothing to do with his lynch. He did not read my posts, failed to comprehend them and when I asked him to explain his play he start writing in all caps, and ragequitting. Like a scum VE. The timing was strange too, the claim was around the time BM ninja voted. I did not vote on him because of his bad play, I voted him because he did not answer to my accusations or questions just gave up like a little girl. He says statements that have the potential to explain why it could have been scummy actions but he never explains why its scummy. Such as: "The timing was strange", wait what, how? Also, you did not vote on him based on bad play? Then why the fuck did you talk about it so much in all your posts directed to him? It musta had somewhat of a good influence on your voting towards him. On April 22 2012 23:27 Ottoxlol wrote: Scum VE failed at logic at the plan discussion phase, then proceeded to avoid answering to my questions 5 times in a row. Since he still did not explained why it is good for us that he claimed, I don't see how can this be anything but anti-town. Scum would claim this if they want to avoid a d1 lynch and a nice wagon appears that not too suspicious to jump on. Like the BM train. I wonder how many scums are on that. If i were a vig i would definitely shoot there. Well you dodged matthews question. So that makes you scum by your own logic? You say its anti-town, or bad town, you don't say its scummy, or why its scummy. Just its bad for town. You note that scum would do this to avoid a day 1 lynch, but wait, VE didn't do that, he had barely any pressure on him when he claimed, he had 3 votes to Marvs 6. So this is just wrong. Also you say that scum would want to jump on the BM wagon, well at the time BM wagon as you call it was barely even moving. I think it had 2-3 votes. Basically your avoiding giving a detailed opinion on who is scum and why they are scum at all costs. You give handy suggestions like vigs shoot into BM voters. Or your little WIFOM earlier, but that is it. ##Vote: Ottoxlol Going to look at the other suspects now. | ||
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[QUOTE]On April 24 2012 21:29 Mementoss wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 10:38 Ottoxlol wrote: It seems like the ppl doesnt read the whole thread. My case against VE was simple. He told us never give up any information to the scum, then proceed to a bad claim that ensures his early death as a blue. This is bad play, hes the best player ever so he would not do that if he is indeed town JK. I tried to ask him about this decision tell me what did I miss or what was his idea what would happen, no answer. He ignored my 6 posts directed towards him, then after the votes started to pile up on him he tried defending himself, I told him what am i interested in, he talked about the massvigclaim after we already closed it and had nothing to do with his lynch. He did not read my posts, failed to comprehend them and when I asked him to explain his play he start writing in all caps, and ragequitting. Like a scum VE. The timing was strange too, the claim was around the time BM ninja voted. I did not vote on him because of his bad play, I voted him because he did not answer to my accusations or questions just gave up like a little girl. He says statements that have the potential to explain why it could have been scummy actions but he never explains why its scummy. Such as: "The timing was strange", wait what, how? Also, you did not vote on him based on bad play? Then why the fuck did you talk about it so much in all your posts directed to him? It musta had somewhat of a good influence on your voting towards him. My other posts explained why the timing was strange. If scum VE wants to claim he claims when he's pressured and an easy wagon appears. I said the bad play can mean 2 things, either he's town or a scum (wow that was surprising). If he would have answered why he thought it was good as townie or at least not give up I would have considered that he's not trying to escape the lynch with a fakeclaim, but he tried something that was not optimal. If you look at my filter you can see, I asked about him because before his claim I had only a little suspicion on him + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 23:27 Ottoxlol wrote: Scum VE failed at logic at the plan discussion phase, then proceeded to avoid answering to my questions 5 times in a row. Since he still did not explained why it is good for us that he claimed, I don't see how can this be anything but anti-town. Scum would claim this if they want to avoid a d1 lynch and a nice wagon appears that not too suspicious to jump on. Like the BM train. I wonder how many scums are on that. If i were a vig i would definitely shoot there. Well you dodged matthews question. So that makes you scum by your own logic? You say its anti-town, or bad town, you don't say its scummy, or why its scummy. Just its bad for town. You note that scum would do this to avoid a day 1 lynch, but wait, VE didn't do that, he had barely any pressure on him when he claimed, he had 3 votes to Marvs 6. So this is just wrong. Also you say that scum would want to jump on the BM wagon, well at the time BM wagon as you call it was barely even moving. I think it had 2-3 votes. What? I did not say why is it scummy? Reread. I was arguing if he's playing a bad townie play or a scummy scum play, this choice of words further proves my previous reply that I wanted him to respond, to explain his play.VE had 5 votes against marv's 6. This is also in one of my posts, this was why I argued he shouldnt have claimed because scum was very unlikely to night kill the second highest vote. He claimed right after BM voted for him -> ninja vote ez wagon. Basically your avoiding giving a detailed opinion on who is scum and why they are scum at all costs. You give handy suggestions like vigs shoot into BM voters. Or your little WIFOM earlier, but that is it. I don't, I had a case d1 about VE, I pushed it. It was a big fail. If I have a strong read I will post it. [/QUOTE] Actions speak louder than words my friend. I would challenge you to try and post a case today based on scum reads. Preferably from the list I gave, if you believe that there is scum in there. | ||
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On April 24 2012 23:19 Mattchew wrote: Oh right... Forgot about st Daniel... Yeah we need to lynch him too if a vig doesn't get to shooting Don't forget about Janaan and BKexe too, lurking hard. | ||
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Well this is a scum tell if I ever heard one. We lynch who we think is scum. If they are scum, that automatically gives us information. We don't lynch for information. You could easily be scum saying, if we lynch this guy it gives us information on this guy. Wasting 2 days of lynch into townies. | ||
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Gonzaw plan - posts a lot about it, explains game rules on multiple occasion. Easy conversation for scum to jump on without really having any risk to put opinions on anyone. Votes VE AFTER JK claim, easy wagon for scum to jump on cause all you have to say is herp bad claim. Which is basically what ottoxlol did. Then guess what, he conveniently dissapears until VE's death and for the whole night. Im under attack!! - posts alot, in his defense, OMGUS vots BJ, attempts to make some sort of case against people but can't. Takes the easy way out for lynching lurkers. Also wants to lynch into WIFOM "pairs" for information. Names so many people that is really impossible to see his best stance atm. Basically its two hurricanes of posting at which seems to be convenient timing.... coincidence? Maybe. You decide. Note - I would like to hear from more than the same old players today eventually lol. Especially the lurking players. | ||
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On April 25 2012 02:20 Ottoxlol wrote: but ghost, no one made any case but Mementoss and MG So everyone else is scum? Or we don't have any reads because no one is suspicious enough? Thats why everyone thinking on lynching lurkers or me. This is either a) you being really confused b) you trying to spam and bury quality posts and confuse everyone else c) newbing it up I am honestly not sure. I'm confident in the evidence put against you, but I'm done with it for now. Looking at other cases is important to decide the scummiest option. | ||
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