Marv, all I can say is that you're exaggerating how shocked I was at VE's flip. Can you think of any reason why ghost's suggestion makes sense from a town perspective?

MidnightGladius

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April 24 2012 20:28 GMT

#1148

Trying to use "he has 2 votes when everyone else has 1 vote" is the worst justification I've ever actually heard.

MidnightGladius

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April 24 2012 20:31 GMT

#1154

layabout, I'm personally of the opinion that a no-lynch is never good unless the town is at MYLO, or the lynch target is confirmed town to you. Every game I've played with a Day 1 no lynch fell into chaos on Day 2.

MidnightGladius

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April 24 2012 20:33 GMT

#1156

Also, ghost, why are you so dedicated to the idea of lining up multiple lynches? Between now and the next Day, multiple people will have died, we might get a vig-claim, etc. It's incredibly naive to think that you're sufficiently sure today.

MidnightGladius

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April 24 2012 20:34 GMT

#1159

No, I hadn't. I was going to sleep this afternoon, but I decided to stick around to respond. Thanks for reminding me.

MidnightGladius

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April 24 2012 20:38 GMT

#1166

On April 25 2012 05:36 ghost_403 wrote:
@Midnight: I found two scum. I'm saying let's lynch the one today and the other tomorrow. Lynching scum sounds like a good idea to me.

And I think that that's presumptuous and downright misleading, considering that you're discounting an entire Day/Night's worth of information. The only reason you would want to start tomorrow's lynch train today would be to try and minimize discussion tomorrow, which is incredibly scummy, considering that with BJ's modkill, we could be at LYLO very quickly.

MidnightGladius

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April 24 2012 20:45 GMT

#1170

Very well, Mattchew, point taken. However, he didn't address my earlier post, noting that the reasoning he gave in that post was horrendously bad.

"Sentinel has 2 votes [when everyone else has 1]."

That single line screamed scum to me so loudly that I admit I haven't even gone through the rest of his filter yet. Or maybe I'm just sleep-deprived. I dunno, I'm going to take a nap and come back later.

MidnightGladius

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April 24 2012 23:03 GMT

#1209

Okay, next time I'll know not to try reading the thread when exhausted.

##Unvote: ghost_403

layabout, I'm never going to live that line expressing regret about VE down, am I? Next time, I'll be sure to just repeat everyone else saying that VE was bad, and that would be better, right?

MidnightGladius

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April 25 2012 00:26 GMT

#1249

I agree with Risen and Mementoss here. The case on Ottoxlol is getting better, but I'm not sure that I convincingly like it over johnny or Zeph.

layabout, I can't explain my motivations to you if you insist that you know them better than I do. It will be incredibly ironic when VE gets his wish of getting me mislynched, albeit in a different game when we're both town

MidnightGladius

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April 25 2012 01:39 GMT

#1261

Sentinel earlier admitted to not keeping up with the thread and to only responding to people accusing him. Normally, that would be pretty clear scum play, but considering all of the lurkers/near-lurkers we have, I honestly can't tell what's going on with him.

However, his recent posts have been much better, and I can't place him in a scum agenda, so I'm not confident enough to name him as scum.

MidnightGladius

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April 25 2012 02:18 GMT

#1268

Janaan's play reads as pro-town and feels similar to his style from previous games. I'd like him to be more active, certainly, but I'm feeling good about him.

MidnightGladius

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April 25 2012 20:37 GMT

#1345

I'm putting my vote on zeph. He has said nothing recently to make me change my mind about his earlier posting, and johnny's recent posting has made me less suspicious of him. He has stopped sheeping actively, and raises good points. I do want to tell johnny that building on gonzaw's cases is reasonable, but though we know that he was innocent, we have no idea as to whether or not he was actually right.

Sentinel is pretty much impossible for me to read, and his latest WIFOM is incredibly frustrating. My intuition on him is apathetic town, but he could easily be scum, and I just can't tell. I don't feel like he's taking things at all seriously, and his unwillingness to push cases beyond Ottoxlol doesn't help.

And we still have so many lurkers, and no vig claims to deal with them... BKEXE, any conclusions yet? St.Daniel, now that you're replaced out of SNMMX, any thoughts? We really can't do this without you guys.

##Vote: Zephirdd

MidnightGladius

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April 25 2012 22:32 GMT

#1388

layabout, I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that I don't want to lynch scum, but trying to get votes off of Zeph now is just begging for a last-minute scum switch regarding him and Ottox. Unless both are scum, they can easily trigger a mislynch. Pushing for my lynch now, 30 minutes before the deadline, is dangerously risky.

MidnightGladius

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April 25 2012 22:34 GMT

#1390

Do I have to spell it out for you? It's dangerously risky (and it's wrong).

MidnightGladius

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April 25 2012 22:39 GMT

#1397

Zeph, if I had any doubt that you were trying to shit up the thread before, then I have no doubt at all now.

MidnightGladius

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April 25 2012 22:54 GMT

#1407

On April 26 2012 07:48 layabout wrote:
Johnny i didn't think zeph was scummy yesterday and i said so. I still don't think he is now. And my number 1 scumread voted for him.

MG has been truly apathetic towards today's lynch, he has put in very little effort and offered very little of his own thoughts. He was willing to write a case against Johnny, he gave up on it, and now he has hopped onto the zeph wagon because of reasons that he has apparently had for days that he is not willing to share with us.

I wrote a case on johnny, it was ignored (except by Ottoxlol today), and I dropped it after re-evaluating johnny's play. My vote on ghost was admittedly poorly reasoned and paranoid. I wrote my reasons for voting for Zephirdd, and they haven't changed since then. If you want me to rehash all of my points each time new evidence comes up, that's all well and good, and I could quote all of Zeph's fearmongering and deflection and fluff today, but I don't plan on doing it.

MidnightGladius

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April 25 2012 23:03 GMT

#1423

I explained that scumread when I first offered it. Are you unwilling to read even a post I've linked you to?

On April 23 2012 12:44 MidnightGladius wrote:
That said, what does everyone think of Zeph, especially his latest posts? He earlier posted a list of "scumreads" that he admitted was entirely baseless: why would a town player ever do that? It gives him a springboard to attack any of the players on it, while also giving him room to back down and jump on a different wagon instead. His posting is fluffy and irrelevant (Star Wars references? Profit memes?), and he just sheeped sloosh's case on me without providing any additional content at all. Coupled with his earlier "last-minute" vote and inactivity during Day 1, I say we have ourselves a scum.

MidnightGladius

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April 25 2012 23:06 GMT

#1428

layabout, since it seems like you're claiming vig, why would you threaten to let scum derail the lynch by pushing people off of Zeph when you could just shoot me instead?