TL Mafia 'Area' LIII - Page 13

it's also the smartest, IMO. if there's facts that people can find and present that heavily incriminate either you or sent, I'd definitely reconsider.

Hm, yeah I would. But it's not completely up to me, others have to agree. I noticed that there hasn't been a big bandwagon to lynch BM right as the day started, which makes me feel like BM is indeed scum. Let's call it the same gut feeling that told me ottox was town

(funny how that statement can hurt you later on huh?).

On May 03 2012 13:14 johnnywup wrote:

if bm flips goon that makes risen green imo. but i'm gonna have to look through a lot of things before I come to a final decision, since 3:3 is auto scum win i'm gonna have to really think about this.

On May 03 2012 13:18 Mattchew wrote:
paqman, why risen (who is confirmed GF due to my vig shot) over Sent, who could be goon

On May 03 2012 19:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


This. Now:



Did anyone read my explanation on why this is a bad idea on mafia's part? Anyways, here's something I found interesting

+ Show Spoiler [Shitload of Quotes] +

So I think it's safe to say Mattchew has been consistently pushing for Bill Murray's death.







Alright. So back to Matt's vig claim. Why, oh why, does a player that has been wanting desperately to lynch Bill Murray since Day 1 make this post?



So apparently you think I'm scum, because I jailed your number one read, following your orders, and that mafia would choose not to seize an excellent opportunity of lynching me or, if you wanted to keep that bullshit going, a good town like Paqman.

Your argument is more invalid than Stephen Hawking.

On May 03 2012 22:20 PaqMan wrote:
Just a quick thought as I'm in a rush. If Sentinel is telling the truth then we let him jail BM tonight, and we lynch someone else like Risen.

On May 03 2012 22:55 johnnywup wrote:
I'm not sure If I'll be able to be here around deadline. I'm gonna vote for my biggest scumread. I was getting too emotional yesterday with my posts. I don't know who's telling the truth between you two but I'm going to vote for my biggest scumread, BM.

##vote Bill Murray

On May 01 2012 10:57 johnnywup wrote:
Ok, first off theres Bill Murray. Verdict: Goon. Meta-reason: Compare his filter to his DFM2 posting (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324050&user=54241). He wasn't very active there either, but he made reads and took sides and made substantial posts. Here he tells people that they're wrong. That's it. He doesn't make a case or say anything unless he's directly responding to accusations against him. There are some examples of him responding to posts not about him, but they're still small and not relevant. He's scraping by lynches by not taking stances and that's unacceptable. He's scum. I'm not quoting him to point out certain points in his posting because all his posts are very similar. There's not too much for me to say about BM because he hasn't posted much. I think he's Goon because he's staying out of the spotlight as much as often. This makes him look more goon than GF because without Goon there isn't any KP left for mafia. Same concept for vigs (which we dont have anyways). The others are Godfather by default of me thinking that BM is Goon (since theres 1 left) and because they're not afraid to put themselves out in the open as much as BM.

On May 03 2012 23:19 ghost_403 wrote:
I'm more inclined to believe Mattchew over Sentinel at this point. Looking back through his filter, he was pushing for, or at least suggesting, a StDaniels lynch through most of the game. I can't see scum pushing to lynch their KP for towncred.

In addition to that, Risen has been playing scummy as fuck all game long. I doubt I could find a single page in his filter where he doesn't say something that doesn't make him look like either a terrible townie or scum. Mattchew's claim is consistent with my read on Risen.

The decrease in scumminess that I saw from Sentinel was mostly due to him actually being moderately aggressive in pushing for an Ottoxlol lynch. Now that we know that Ottoxlol was a townie, this can very easily be attributed to scum being called out and forced to do something in the game.

I would propose lynching Risen first, and taking it from there.

@mattchew: That's the worst breadcrumb I've ever seen.

On May 03 2012 23:22 johnnywup wrote:
matt im not gonna have you sit there and insult my play. seriously. not cool.

for some reason, i thought lynch was today, so yeah, i'll be back. my bad.

On May 03 2012 23:28 johnnywup wrote:
it contradicts itself? It may not look like it but I've been putting a shit ton of time into this game and you downplaying it just to make me look bad isn't cool dude. ffs

On May 04 2012 03:55 Janaan wrote:
Sorry for not posting recently, my computer is screwed up and can't get internet. I can only be on while I'm in a computer lab at school, which means I won't be able to post again 4 hours from now.

There's a lot here to go over. Some things about Mattchew's claim ring true, while other things make me think Sentinel was telling the truth.

The biggest thing against Mattchew's claim for me is if Risen and Sentinel are scum buddies then what reason would Risen have had to even suggest that Sentinel's claim was false? As it was, everyone else was going along with it. Also what reason would Sentinel have had to say that he didn't jail someone Night 1? He could have thrown out the name of any town or scummy looking player no problem. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

On the other hand, I've had this nagging feeling about BM that he's just been a bad townie the whole time, even though his play looks scummy. I don't quite know what it is, but I just have a hunch. Matt has also been the greenest townie to me so far.

I'm not sure who to believe right now, and that's what it comes down to. The only clear thing to me is that if I believe Sentinel, I will vote BM. If I believe Matt, I will vote Risen. I have some thinking to do, and I don't expect to vote for another 20 hours or so. By then I will have made up my mind.