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it's also the smartest, IMO. if there's facts that people can find and present that heavily incriminate either you or sent, I'd definitely reconsider.
How about the fact that sent says he didn't jail anyone night 1 because he had no one else that makes sense for him to fake claim jailing
Hm, yeah I would. But it's not completely up to me, others have to agree. I noticed that there hasn't been a big bandwagon to lynch BM right as the day started, which makes me feel like BM is indeed scum. Let's call it the same gut feeling that told me ottox was town
Most people hadn't posted before I claimed. This means nothing.
(funny how that statement can hurt you later on huh?).
I fail to see how this hurts me now. Because I wanted to lynch and actively pushed to lynch the person you are now trying to lynch, that makes me scummy? You don't think my pushing of Bill Murray was genuine?
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Also, I like how you ignore every dead townies opinions, many saying to lynch Sentinel.
Interesting play today johnny, very interesting
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Also, look back to day 1, remember Gonzaw's plan, that I refused to discuss, does me not wanting to discuss a Vig claim plan make a lot more sense now that you see I'm vig?
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lol and risen de-lurks to pre-amble iGrok's mod note... looks like scum got nervous their win con wasn't gonna be reached by lynching BM and yelled at iGrok to post
Johnny you realize you are voting with this scum (risen) right?
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oh, and that makes it lylo today for sure so now anyone voting BM is putting this game PURELY on the read of someone batshit insane and crazy.
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basically johnny and paq, you guys have to stop being lazy and really think this decision ALL THE WAY THROUGH, analyzing every party involved
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On May 03 2012 13:14 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 13:10 Mattchew wrote:
lol and risen de-lurks to pre-amble iGrok's mod note... looks like scum got nervous their win con wasn't gonna be reached by lynching BM and yelled at iGrok to post
Johnny you realize you are voting with this scum (risen) right? if bm flips goon that makes risen green imo. but i'm gonna have to look through a lot of things before I come to a final decision, since 3:3 is auto scum win i'm gonna have to really think about this.
thank you. I will answer any questions you have for me about any issue, but I think for now its bed time
ps.
+ Show Spoiler +
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paqman, why risen (who is confirmed GF due to my vig shot) over Sent, who could be goon
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On May 03 2012 13:18 Mattchew wrote:
paqman, why risen (who is confirmed GF due to my vig shot) over Sent, who could be goon
i want this answered
i gtg to sleep ill be on occasionally throughout tomorrow and all day friday
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On May 03 2012 19:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:This. Now: Show nested quote +
I had a strong feeling that mafia would hold its kill in order to mislynch (and it pains me to say this) Bill Murray.
Did anyone read my explanation on why this is a bad idea on mafia's part? Anyways, here's something I found interesting + Show Spoiler [Shitload of Quotes] +On April 22 2012 14:31 Mattchew wrote:
sleep might be back on in like 9 - 12 hours
vote BM
On April 23 2012 01:05 Mattchew wrote:
we should lynch BM cause he claimed scum in thread by ninja voting On April 23 2012 02:11 Mattchew wrote:
BM ninja voted, Daniel didn't.. he atleast attempted to explain his vote (albeit scummily as fuck) . When someone ninja votes you lynch them. Its basically a red check
My scum picks so far are BM, Risen, Daniel and I would like to lynch/vig them in that order On April 23 2012 06:39 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 06:32 marvellosity wrote:On April 23 2012 06:29 Risen wrote:
I haven't even placed my vote on marv yet >.> It is my intention to do so, though. Everyone on VE should be shot/lynched. I'll vote for anyone on him. Only an idiot would vote for VE and we're better off with all of them dead. Sadly this sounds like Risen's town meta. "Anyone who disagrees with me is scum". It's a recurring theme, he did it in LI too. exactly why we should vote for BM On April 23 2012 08:18 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 08:18 Mementoss wrote:On April 23 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
Gonna ask again, why is giving up a valid town defence? It's not but does disagreeing to directing blues, a day 1 blue claim, and ragequitting, give you enough confidence that he is scum, to go about lynching our possible JK, when there are other scummy suspects? Also BJ, I don't think the marv is gunna happen at this point TBH. The fact that he took his vote off VE, his main competition for getting lynched makes me think he is indeed looking out for the towns interests. (unless you think VE and marv is scum which I doubt) SO LETS VOTE BM Skip a few pages: On April 27 2012 12:05 Mattchew wrote:
ottox or BM
those are the 2 I would consider lynching today On April 30 2012 16:23 Mattchew wrote:
We lynch BM after we sort out Ottox/risen/brood
He is so scummy he makes me pretty sure that 1 of risen/brood is not scum But then here we have this: On May 01 2012 21:35 Mattchew wrote:
I have my doubts about BM being the last goon. I think he's scum, but not goon. I think someone that has fallen off the radar more (AHEM Janaan) could be playing a perfect goon in this setup So I think it's safe to say Mattchew has been consistently pushing for Bill Murray's death. Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 08:28 Mattchew wrote:
what if sent is fake claiming and the real blue is just waiting for the right opportunity. I believe sent but idk Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 08:30 Mattchew wrote:
meh fuck it.. sent you need to jail BM and we need to lynch Ottox. We are doing all the right things to come back from this travesty of a game Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 10:26 Mattchew wrote:
sent should jail BM
and we should lynch BM tomorrow
that is all
goodnight Alright. So back to Matt's vig claim. Why, oh why, does a player that has been wanting desperately to lynch Bill Murray since Day 1 make this post? Show nested quote +
TLDR; We are actually in LYLO, I am Vig, Risen and Sent are scum. Bill Murray is confirmed town.
I had a strong feeling that mafia would hold its kill in order to mislynch (and it pains me to say this) Bill Murray.
So apparently you think I'm scum, because I jailed your number one read, following your orders, and that mafia would choose not to seize an excellent opportunity of lynching me or, if you wanted to keep that bullshit going, a good town like Paqman. Your argument is more invalid than Stephen Hawking.
Your argument is that I am admitting I was wrong about BM after pushing him all game? Thats it? You didn't know I was the vig, but you did know that I was actively pushing BM, this made him the perfect candidate, cause if you claim to jail BM and no kill occurs, you know that I will push for BM's death as hard as anyone.
Your plan failed because I know you are not Jailkeeper therefore scum held their kill on purpose to mislynch BM and win. BM is being painted red by scum because he was the easiest mislynch target.
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If Sent had said he jailed someone else and nobody was shot I would be arguing the same confirmed town thing for that person (unless it was Risen). This is because I am the only blue left, its in the OP. Town has no reason to fake claim, so Sent and Risen are scum. There was no Jailkeeper to block my shot on Risen yet he did not die.
We need to lynch Sent then Risen
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On May 03 2012 22:20 PaqMan wrote:
Just a quick thought as I'm in a rush. If Sentinel is telling the truth then we let him jail BM tonight, and we lynch someone else like Risen.
If you believe Sent is telling the truth, BM is basically confirmed goon and you should lynch him. At worst you lynch me for not believing my claim.
I believe that people should be between voting for either
Sent today then Risen
Or
Bill Murray today then Mattchew
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On May 03 2012 22:55 johnnywup wrote:
I'm not sure If I'll be able to be here around deadline. I'm gonna vote for my biggest scumread. I was getting too emotional yesterday with my posts. I don't know who's telling the truth between you two but I'm going to vote for my biggest scumread, BM.
##vote Bill Murray
this is terrible reasoning and super scummy. I believe you or Janaan to be the 3rd scum team member, but that is for a future day after we dont LOSE today
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On May 01 2012 10:57 johnnywup wrote:
Ok, first off theres Bill Murray. Verdict: Goon. Meta-reason: Compare his filter to his DFM2 posting (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324050&user=54241). He wasn't very active there either, but he made reads and took sides and made substantial posts. Here he tells people that they're wrong. That's it. He doesn't make a case or say anything unless he's directly responding to accusations against him. There are some examples of him responding to posts not about him, but they're still small and not relevant. He's scraping by lynches by not taking stances and that's unacceptable. He's scum. I'm not quoting him to point out certain points in his posting because all his posts are very similar. There's not too much for me to say about BM because he hasn't posted much. I think he's Goon because he's staying out of the spotlight as much as often. This makes him look more goon than GF because without Goon there isn't any KP left for mafia. Same concept for vigs (which we dont have anyways). The others are Godfather by default of me thinking that BM is Goon (since theres 1 left) and because they're not afraid to put themselves out in the open as much as BM.
This is your entire case on BM, its based off meta of 1 game, where he most of his posting is almost exactly the same as this game.
Once again, lazy johnny
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1 more thing to johnny, we have like 30+ hours to figure this out. why are you so quick and vague in your decision
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On May 03 2012 23:19 ghost_403 wrote:
I'm more inclined to believe Mattchew over Sentinel at this point. Looking back through his filter, he was pushing for, or at least suggesting, a StDaniels lynch through most of the game. I can't see scum pushing to lynch their KP for towncred.
In addition to that, Risen has been playing scummy as fuck all game long. I doubt I could find a single page in his filter where he doesn't say something that doesn't make him look like either a terrible townie or scum. Mattchew's claim is consistent with my read on Risen.
The decrease in scumminess that I saw from Sentinel was mostly due to him actually being moderately aggressive in pushing for an Ottoxlol lynch. Now that we know that Ottoxlol was a townie, this can very easily be attributed to scum being called out and forced to do something in the game.
I would propose lynching Risen first, and taking it from there.
@mattchew: That's the worst breadcrumb I've ever seen.
I don't usually do any bread crumbing. Why give scum a chance to find it?
and if you believe me, we should be lynching Sent, the possible goon, not Risen, the confirmed GF
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On May 03 2012 23:22 johnnywup wrote:
matt im not gonna have you sit there and insult my play. seriously. not cool.
for some reason, i thought lynch was today, so yeah, i'll be back. my bad.
this post contradicts itself. I never insulted your play, i said you were wrong and lazy.
if i wanted to insult your play i would have brought up your LYLO record.
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On May 03 2012 23:28 johnnywup wrote:
it contradicts itself? It may not look like it but I've been putting a shit ton of time into this game and you downplaying it just to make me look bad isn't cool dude. ffs
I know you are putting a lot of time in. Thats not what I am saying. I am saying that your scumhunting is lazy and you are looking for the easy road out (full proof plans, shaky meta reads). To me, in this situation, you should analyze every person involved (BM, Me, Risen, Sent) and then come to a conclusion. Instead you are just vote BM because he and only he is your strongest scum read, and that read is based off very little. You didn't even re-post your case or add to it.
I am not accusing you of not putting effort into this game. I am accusing you of not letting others see the effort you are putting in and letting others see your thought process for how you are assessing the situation.
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On May 04 2012 03:55 Janaan wrote:
Sorry for not posting recently, my computer is screwed up and can't get internet. I can only be on while I'm in a computer lab at school, which means I won't be able to post again 4 hours from now.
There's a lot here to go over. Some things about Mattchew's claim ring true, while other things make me think Sentinel was telling the truth.
The biggest thing against Mattchew's claim for me is if Risen and Sentinel are scum buddies then what reason would Risen have had to even suggest that Sentinel's claim was false? As it was, everyone else was going along with it. Also what reason would Sentinel have had to say that he didn't jail someone Night 1? He could have thrown out the name of any town or scummy looking player no problem. It just doesn't make any sense to me.
On the other hand, I've had this nagging feeling about BM that he's just been a bad townie the whole time, even though his play looks scummy. I don't quite know what it is, but I just have a hunch. Matt has also been the greenest townie to me so far.
I'm not sure who to believe right now, and that's what it comes down to. The only clear thing to me is that if I believe Sentinel, I will vote BM. If I believe Matt, I will vote Risen. I have some thinking to do, and I don't expect to vote for another 20 hours or so. By then I will have made up my mind.
Distancing for this, Risen has looked scummy as fuck and Sent knows that.
Why risen, the he is confirmed GF, instead of sent, who could be the goon. I want to lynch the goon if thats possible
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the second line is meant in response to where you say you'll vote risen if you believe me*
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