Newbie Mini Mafia IX

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 12 2012 20:00 GMT

#20

/in

I have never played at all but it looks fun, especially after looking at those aperture mafia blogs. I know it won't be as crazy as that game, though.

Also, is there a lynch day 1? If so, what are you supposed to base your lynch on because nothing has happened yet?

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 12 2012 21:12 GMT

#22

On April 13 2012 06:04 Solohan50 wrote:

I don't see ##Vote: No Lynch as an option in the rules, so I believe there will definitely be a lynch on Day 1. From what I've gathered in my extremely limited experience with Mafia, people get lynched on Day 1 for a variety of reasons, be it lurking, being a giant asshole, etc. That said, I believe it's rare that the Day 1 lynch is based on really good information.

So pretty much people just start talking on Day 1 about whatever, and then people vote based on whatever little info they have. Thanks.

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 14 2012 21:43 GMT

#74

I agree with lynching a lurker day 1, but only if there is really no info on scum. We should try to lynch a scum if at all possible.

P.S. GL HF

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 15 2012 02:37 GMT

#84

I disagree with the idea of a no lynch day 1. I agree that we most likely won't get a mafia, but that doesn't mean a mislynch is entirely bad. If there isn't a lynch day 1, no one takes a stand on the lynch, and we don't learn much because there is no discussion of who to lynch. This also means that the power roles will be at a disadvantage because their choices for their night 1 actions will be mostly random due to the lack of information. With a lynch, everyone has to take a side, so even if this only provides a small amount of information, it is information the power roles can use to narrow down the targets of their actions.

Basically, I think we must lynch someone day 1.

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 15 2012 19:35 GMT

#117

@Thereapist
You need the lynch in order to learn information about each person. Even if everyone defends themselves adequately, there are still going to be differing opinions on each player. A lynch is needed in order to find out the true identity of a player. With this information, we can go back and look at their posts in a new light. We can also go back to the discussion about why to vote for this player and glean more information about the other players and motivations.

Basically, a lynch is needed in order to get 100% correct information that can hopefully help the investigation. Up until this point, a lot of the investigation is speculation because no facts are known.

I also agree with Nova that I am a little suspicious of Solohan50 right now. He seems to favor a no lynch, which I think does much more harm than good.

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 16 2012 15:26 GMT

#191

In response to Lorant:

The reason why I think solo is a little suspicious is because he hasn't said much, but with those few words he has said, he has tacitly supported a no lynch by saying + Show Spoiler +

My analysis is based on the Mafia guide that I've been reading which says that lynching Town members generally doesn't give much information. This would be doubly true if we lynch a lurker who hasn't said much, because there's no information about that person. The whole point of the post was to encourage people to post more, so we can avoid having to lynch a lurker. In my eyes, unless we get lucky and the lurker is Mafia, we benefit very little and we're down one more player.

. I disagree with his argument (as well as some others in this thread), hence my two posts saying why we should lynch day 1. If you believe that I jumped to conclusions about him, I disagree. All I did was say that I was only slightly suspicious, which I is why I didn't vote for him.

Now I am curious about you, though. Why vote for me when it seems that you thought lazer or nova was more suspicious? You also say that your entire argument is based on a gut feeling. + Show Spoiler +

On April 16 2012 17:33 Lorant wrote:
This suspicion on Crossfire is mainly coming from my gut

I haven't played this game before, but I still know what bad arguments look like. All you did was try to fit my words into your preconceived notion that I am scum. Looking at your post you said that my no lynch talk and my very polite GL HF, were both essentially null, so that leaves your suspicions of me completely resting on that fact that I am a little suspicious of solo. I have explained that above, so I would like to hear your response to my question.

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 16 2012 17:46 GMT

#211

@Solohan
You are correct that I read up a little after asking my pregame question. Below is a quote from greymist in Newbie Mini Mafia. The bolded and italicized part is what caught my attention. This is why I came out hard against no lynches.

On November 13 2011 15:56 GreYMisT wrote:
GreYMisT’s Remarks
First off, GJ scumteam with your flawless victory! That being said, there were definatly stuff that could be improved on that I noticed from my perspective. Im not going to look at what town could have done to find you guys, but rather how you guys functioned as a team.

The Good:
Obviously you won the game without losing a single mafia member. So that’s a plus. Ciryandor also managed to become “confirmed town” pretty much based on his activity level and the length of his posts. IMABUNNEH was also on some peoples town list, and despite everyone thinking near the end of the game that he and xsksc were scum, they somehow managed to avoid a lynch. Overall there was pretty good communitcation in the QT, and everyone was able to agree on a general plan. Mafia was also able to force a no lynch day 1, which is pretty kickass. Also, after night one you forced a LOT of discussion regarding the death of risk, which creates so much WIFOM (ie good for mafia).

In response to everyone voting for nova, I am not sure if he is mafia. I know that he spammed a lot in the beginning, and it made him suspicious, but I don't think the mafia would be that obvious. He has been the most active in the thread even if he hasn't done it in the best way possible. He has more than 3 pages of posts in his filter, while everyone else has less than 1 (Lorant might be the exception if you include his posts as fourface, but i'm not sure). Even if he hadn't had about 1 page of spam posts in the beginning, his amount of activity would instantly cause everyone to look at his case closely because he has the most information available to make a judgment about him. Everything about this nova lynch seems like a bandwagon.

As for my own thoughts on who to lynch; honestly, I don't know who to vote for because as solohan stated in his thoughts on me, I asked what we are supposed to base our day 1 lynch on during the pregame, and I am still not confident in determining who is scum just from day 1 chat.

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 16 2012 18:21 GMT

#214

@raven
You messed up your voting format. It should be double # and bolded. Just a heads up.

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 16 2012 20:45 GMT

#240

Ugh...this really sucks. I don't think oneplus is scum, but I also don't think nova is scum. Since you have been actively contributing Nova, I am going to vote for oneplus to save you. Sorry, oneplus.

##Vote: oneplus

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 16 2012 20:47 GMT

#242

I don't know how essential the text being bold is to my vote, but just to make sure I will recast it.

## Unvote
##Vote: oneplus

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 16 2012 21:00 GMT

#261

##Unvote: oneplus
##Vote: oneplus

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 16 2012 21:03 GMT

#267

[g]How essential is it to have your votes bold, mods? If it is, did my first vote without the bold count?[/g]

Also, sorry for the mess of the thread with my voting fiasco.

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 16 2012 21:06 GMT

#270

How essential is it to have your votes bold, mods? If it is, did my first vote without the bold count?

Ugh. I didn't hit preview. Sorry.

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 16 2012 21:08 GMT

#278

Wait seriously, risk.nuke!? When is the deadline? 19:00 EDT?

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 16 2012 21:12 GMT

#285

It's ok risk.nuke. It at least made the last hour interesting...

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 16 2012 21:17 GMT

#289

I'll give Macheji some slack because he said his laptop broke, but if he doesn't contribute from now on, then there will be a problem.

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 17 2012 22:59 GMT

#349

Sorry for being afk, I've been really busy these past 24 hours. I believe someone was wondering what was going on with my crazy voting. Basically, I screwed up the voting format twice and wasn't sure if I had to unvote incase the mods thought I was trying to vote too many times. Hopefully I will get the voting format correct during day 2 (if I live through the night).

Because I've been afk for the last 24 hours, I didn't get a chance to read through everyone's filter after all the votes were counted. Right now I will focus on 2 things: this council thing and Nova, since he seems to be the popular one and the person I feel most confident in my read.

Council:
I don't understand how this works because only mafia are allowed to have outside communication, so there is no privacy in this council. Also, I feel this council just divides the town into more factions unnecessarily, which isn't good.

Nova:
I feel that Nova is a loud, opinionated, argumentative townie (no offense Nova). This is evidenced in his abundance of posts, a lot of which seem to be stream of consciousness (not sure I am using that right, but basically spitting out every thought, sometimes many posts consecutively). Because he is also argumentative, he seems to attract the ire of many townsfolk, who misinterpret his actions as having mafia motives.

I'll try to do my filter review on everyone before I go to sleep tonight.

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 17 2012 23:08 GMT

#354

GG. Sucks I got shot night 1 in my first game ever, but such is life. Sorry I couldn't contribute more this past night.

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 18 2012 00:17 GMT

#359

On April 18 2012 08:04 risk.nuke wrote:
“No way those Radfield boys are going to get me…” he thought.

That is seriously what I thought an hour ago. Lol. Good luck town. Lynch those scum.

Crossfire99

United States1529 Posts

April 21 2012 14:50 GMT

#639

GG. I am glad we won. Lorant/FF, do you always act that crazy/ridiculous? I was about to put in a last minute vig hit on you night 1, when I saw you pull that BS I'm not doing analysis even though I told everyone to do it. But I figured I better be safe rather than sorry, and was confident I wasn't getting shot night 1. Lol.

Any advice for my play? I know I wasn't too active this game, so I will have to be more active in my next game. Also, that breadcrumbing that Lorant/FF saw was unintentional. I just logically thought that made sense and would have posted that if I was town.

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