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Instead of preparing a statement I made this super cool mix today, check it out and I'm sorry. Last words in case of a successful hit on me + Show Spoiler + Kiss my ass, scum. Council of 4 forever, biatch! Good Night | ||
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Why would scum shoot Crossfire99 (clues found in his filter) a. To reinforce what he said. Scum sought out someone who said exactly what they want to achieve (who they want to kill) so they bring his posts to the spotlight. On April 17 2012 05:45 Crossfire99 wrote: Ugh...this really sucks. I don't think oneplus is scum, but I also don't think nova is scum. Since you have been actively contributing Nova, I am going to vote for oneplus to save you. Sorry, oneplus. ##Vote: oneplus My question is would scum kill someone who accused them directly? I think it would be hideous, they'd much rather mold the kill into an instrument to get the next mislynch + Show Spoiler + Who made a wastebasket case against him? Me. Who voted for Crossfire? Me. Who did Crossfire ask about the reason to vote for him instead of those who had been called out as suspicious? Me. I'm pretty fucked .. this is exactly why I should be confirmed town BUT since I'm the one pointing this out I could also have masterminded this to trick all of you. So I'm not confirmed town at all but the suspicion on me is a game that has advanced to a higher level. but I also don't think nova is scum. Since you have been actively contributing Nova, I am going to vote for oneplus to save you b. Bluesniping Crossfire may have given himself away with this post, note the bold part On April 15 2012 11:37 Crossfire99 wrote: I disagree with the idea of a no lynch day 1. I agree that we most likely won't get a mafia, but that doesn't mean a mislynch is entirely bad. If there isn't a lynch day 1, no one takes a stand on the lynch, and we don't learn much because there is no discussion of who to lynch. This also means that the power roles will be at a disadvantage because their choices for their night 1 actions will be mostly random due to the lack of information. With a lynch, everyone has to take a side, so even if this only provides a small amount of information, it is information the power roles can use to narrow down the targets of their actions. Basically, I think we must lynch someone day 1. Personally I think this was the best kill I've ever seen in a mafia game. Even better if those who kept the lynch-or-nolynch-on-day-1 debate going were in fact scum to fish for blue reaction, and wheel it in like they did. My suspicion up to this point is on solohan because Crossfire was constantly referring to him .. so I think he could've noticed the blueslip more easily. The fact that he didn't tell town about this makes me think he's scum. So this is more of an anti-scumslip. Outing himself as scum by not giving out info that he could've gotten through analysis and observation. Same story with Therapist. So that's the direction I'd like to tunnel today. | ||
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2. Council or no council, that is the question. To council is to do and to do is to council. I honestly believed we could get more quality discussion if we had a conglomerate of active people synchronizing their votes based on the quaity of each member's argumentation. For various reasons already stated .. the argumentation would be "out there" for everyone to see AND generating an additional dimension of information which is: who is compliant to drop his personal accusation of a suspect in favor of a heavier vote on another suspect and why/to what degree. The council would also be a counterweight to all the baseless voting that has been going on Day1. So everyone outside the council - + Show Spoiler + stfu about the council make up your mind if you want to-be-in/there to be a council 3. Was there anything else? | ||
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I noticed that Lazer and Nova were picking on solo for presumably being scummy, especially his first post. Since Nova didn't want to divulge what was so scummy about him and Lazer didn't have anything concrete either there was this vacuum. Along comes Pure-SC2 and attempts to make this vacuum look like an interesting point raised regarding solohan, and then he says it's odd that he didn't read the rules which imo wrongfully discredits solohan, it could even make a suspicion on solohan seem reasonable. I noted this in my journal in the following manner: (..) now even Pure-SC2 is trolling Solohan50 + Show Spoiler + On April 15 2012 18:19 Pure-SC2 wrote: Some interesting points raised regarding Solohan. I do think it's odd that he wouldn't have read the rules (it's clearly stated on the front page). I'd like to see him add more to his very short filter. @Solohan - how do you respond to Nova reading your first post to be scummy? *******End of excerpt I noticed right away that solohan has in fact read the OP and that the question he was asking + Show Spoiler + can we vote for a nolynch? I continued in my journal: (...) Not sure what to make of this, will see how he reacts. This is all very easy discussion for scum to mimic but it has it's mysterious intricacies. Will have to reread this part after someone flips; I'll also pay attention to their habit to post to check consistency (not sure about Daymor's use of his native language either) *******End of excerpt So here we are and we got to know Pure-SC2 as a posting machine, very attentive and accurate about everything everybody has ever written. Well I got to know Pure-SC2 as a derp who insisted that solohan lacked attention and failed to read the OP, when these traits actually applied to himself, first. The shift for me was great, the rupture in consistency was huge. A totally different aspect is him posting an analysis in the middle of the night. Which is like firing a signal pistol when you're behind enemy lines and want them to end your misery. And he wants others to do the same which is even worse. If you're townie and you're not too scared of taking a hit to spare the blues that's your decision. But don't get others involved. Daymor followed his example and published his whole google doc. My gut feeling basically is that I'm scared. I'm pretty scared that Pure-SC2 is playing good scum while Nova is bad scum. If so, they tried to control the thread from the very beginning and establish Nova as leader and it would've worked because Nova could've posted Pure's observation/analysis making him look capable. Pure's case on Nova was trivial and he would've switched his vote but oneplus already had 6 votes and Nova only 4. After Raven switched it would've been way to scummy for Pure to switch too. Now what's happening is that Pure is the capable one and Nova might be covering his back like a dog, grunting at everyone who even considers his strongest town read scummy. I don't know which is worse (hard to counter), this or a leader Nova with Pure's posting. So this is basically what I'm afraid of. Nothing more, nothing less. Irrational .. maybe But rationally speaking Pure might be doc fishing at this point. He purposefully put everyone in danger by posting in the middle of the night and at the same time he drew the medics attention. In conjuncture with the Pure/Nova scum constellation take a look at Nova's night testament On April 18 2012 07:58 Nova_Terra wrote: In case of my death, my top four suspicions in order are 1. Lazer 2. TheRavensName 3. BlueyD/Lorant. My best town read is Pure. I think a Lazer lynch would be the best option if i died tonight. Hmm.. do you notice anything bizarre? Isn't solohan supposed to be on that list? His super-scummy first post and everything.. remember? Oh and talking about Nova bulldogging for Pure. Check out how he's on my ass after I say Pure is scummy. He doesn't even care why he just wants to take me apart with the council stuff and whatnot. Im wondering if the entire purpose of this was to piss me off | ||
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On April 19 2012 06:55 Nova_Terra wrote: However i am happy that you are going after pure. very very interested in what this brings about, and currently i have a more townie read on you than before. No, BlueyD was interested and he urged me to back up my arguments against Pure. After I said Pure was scummy to me you didn't care at all and proceeded to 1 on 1 me about the fucking council. ##Vote: Nova_Terra | ||
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##Unvote In fact, fuck it I'm going after Pure-SC2 ##Vote: Pure-SC2 | ||
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Lorant - His play continues to baffle me, with his vote-change from Nova to Pure-SC2 being the latest thing I find it surprising that you find this baffling, considering that the case I posted had Pure-SC2s name on it in the title. @BlueyD Despite what you think of my case on Pure-SC2 I'd prefer scum agenda analysis over case analysis any day. You made a decent attempt of that saying I tried to give lurkers a town argument to lurk at night .. well maybe I did, that's because I think whatever you want to post at night you should keep to thyself until the last minute.. so everything a player wants to say at night he can do so in a last minute testament or even the day after and it's basically the same amount of info from that player. I didn't really have anything to post at that time as I was busy with my audio mixing and other stuff that seemed more interesting at that time. But I promise to make up for this at the end of night2, considering you don't lynch me for whatever reasons you have to lynch me. But if you do lynch me.. find it in your heart to forgive me for accusing your hero Pure-SC2, ok? | ||
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He is by far the biggest asset we have, with consistent analysis and activity. Frankly, if Pure is mafia, I think we're completely fucked this game. | ||
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On April 19 2012 19:45 Pure-SC2 wrote: Did anyone actually check out the play list he linked which meant "I didn't really have anything to post at that time as I was busy with my audio mixing and other stuff that seemed more interesting at that time." ? I did. It included 5 songs, the original diablo town theme song overlayed with another song (which together sounded terrible by the way), and then 4 other songs, one I recognised from my commodore 64 days. I feel like this is one big troll. It takes one to know one. You are trolling me at this point saying my mix which I posted is shit. I also never posted a playlist you derp, you yourself seemed to be motivated enough to go beyond the link to that one song and listen to every song on the profile. I think this is the second time someone says the link was to a playlist. Forcing this response out of me is entirely your fault and your response to my case and scum-agenda hypothesis is horribad. You keep sterilizing everyone's post until it says nothing really indicative of alignment. If you're such a great player and a big asset to us .. why don't we have a clue who to vote for. I don't say you should change the way you do observations, I'm just saying it's not that big of a help to actual scumhunting. We don't need people to make resumes of everyone with a subjective twist to them like saying my mix is shit and I'm a troll. Way to go .. you try to offend me but you still don't know if you should vote for me or not. I hate your species .. the internet-user species that thinks it's ok to insult ones ideas and investments. You also repeated a gazillion times that there's a lot of smoke and mirrors, chaos, enjoyment from throwing our curve balls and confusion around me yahdiyahdiya. Stop trying to be boring and frocing people to not want to read your posts anymore On April 19 2012 19:45 Pure-SC2 wrote: What is the motivation behind his posts? I think he gets his enjoyment from throwing our curve balls and confusion. At the moment I feel we are all some mild amusement for Lorant and he doesn't seem to really care either way. Way too easy. A town player seeking constructive analysis would never post such a thing simply to discredit a player who has obviously spent some time and effort reading and making intellectual investments into the game. Now go make a decent analysis about my motives or stfu if you can't respect a player who is trying to figure out the game by looking at scum agenda instead of making endless resumes and derrogatory, subjective bycomments to provoke emotional responses. I repreat .. Pure-SC2 made me post this and he also made you read this. It's time you start hating him too. | ||
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On April 18 2012 20:59 Macheji wrote: Oh man, 9 pages in and i have a full paper of notes. Most of them on Nova_Terra and Lazermonkey. I saw an obvious connection between the two of them. Share briefly with Pure-Sc2 , but tbh i find Pure-SC2 very ''town'' atm , not sure what that was about ( ganging on solohan w/o any evidence ) . I have to decide if i should make a list with everybody or just post my scum conclusion and post a case vs 1,2 people. What do you guys prefer ? On April 18 2012 22:43 Macheji wrote: Pure-SC2 ( +++/-- ) At a moment he accused Solahan for beeing a scum, fallowing N_T and LM, when there were no arguments or evidence. THe only thing i noticed about Solahan until that post was that he was a bot noobish at this game. Later on he goes after oneplus because he said N_T and LM are scummy without any arguments/evidence. ( -- ) But, to be honest Pure-SC2 has made alot of valuable posts since then. I found them clear, argumented, transparent and it seemed to me like he added alot to the game ( +++ ) . Still the mark of doubt remains. Would you say that it's possible that he gets all those pluses with the help of his scumbuddies (resume-ing everything like that does seem a little bit too much for one player)? Which leaves us with the two minuses plus what I've pointed out about the doc fishing. Would you be terribly appalled by a Pure lynch today? | ||
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Btw Daymors ALARM BELLS make for poor dramatic effect with no substance to back it up. + Show Spoiler + Alarm Bells On April 18 2012 22:43 Macheji wrote: NovaTerra (++/--------)> (...)He goes crazy about him beeing the most active person. He gets even more crazy when someone mentions him beeing in the same team with Lazer.At first it seemed like an ok reaction, the guy was mad because he was wrongfully accused, (...) On April 18 2012 22:43 Macheji wrote: NovaTerra (++/--------)> (...) Also when Oneplus attacks him in one post he says he is not impressed... he's not impressed of what ? When someone innocent is beeing accused of something, does it ever occure to him to say that he is not impressed with the case against him ? (...) So in his case against Nova_Terra, not once but twice does he briefly mention Nova_Terra’s innocence or that fact he is being wrongfully accused. The only people who know of Nova_Terra’s innocence are Mafia & Nova_Terra. It could possibly mean nothing, but the fact that he is essentially calling his strongest scum read ‘innocent’ is quite alarming. While I appreciate that he has stepped up and provided with some of his thoughts, most are in a heavily summarised manner and I do not feel they add too much insight except maybe his post on Nova_Terra. When someone innocent is beeing accused of something, does it ever occure to him to say that he is not impressed with the case against him ? - you didn't say someone innocet = nova.. you say the opposite. I don't kow why Damor would take it out of the context like that and decorate it with some bells. Anyway. How do you feel about Therapist, BlueyD, TheRavensName and Lazermonkey? Their level of contribution in particular. | ||
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Please comment on How do you feel about Therapist, BlueyD, TheRavensName and Lazermonkey? Their level of contribution in particular Throw in solohan also if you have the time. | ||
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