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KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 19:31 GMT
#924
See it that way. If Dittert actually were the DT and I were actually scum you could win if you vote me and everybody else in town thinks that way. If not, then you just lost because scum is going to vote me.

The other way around: Dittert is lying and scum, and I'm town. You could now vote for Dittert and hope that the rest of town believes my story. Or we could just hunt some other scum. (Note that the votes already on Dittert are very likely to be mafia who want to trick town into believing they already have enough votes on him and it's not necessary to vote for someone else.)
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 19:33 GMT
#925
EBWOP: Oops, forgot to change my vote in the heat of the argument, sorry
This situation is truly nerveracking, especially if you are the accused one and have to find valid arguments to help yourself out...

##Unvote
##Vote: Xatalos
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 19:41 GMT
#927
@willz22912: I just noticed that this (everyone voting for either you or Xatalos) is equally as futile as everyone voting for me and Dittert, with one townie on the wrong side that could break the whole vote. But I'm more confident in your reasoning on Xatalos than I am with the assumption that everybody in town will correctly vote for Dittert, so I'm staying on my vote for now.

If I hear enough voices from people I believe are likely town then I could reconsider a mass switch to Dittert. Please make up your minds so we can handle this gracefully in the limited time we have left.
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 20:09 GMT
#930
@imallinson: That's not as easy as you think. If we assume both Xatalos and yomi are scum bussing for Dittert, as it stands now they could switch onto me and then be the first to make 3 votes on me so I get lynched. Your play is not as safe for us as it might seem.
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 20:21 GMT
#933
Xatalos, Willz's case may be based on WIFOM and connections, but I'm not voting you for some case he just now made and how you are bussing Dittert etc.
I am voting you because I have had a long time to build an opinion of both you and willz believing there is one scum between the two of you, and you have in total acted more scummy than willz. Especially the behaviour of the two of you right now speaks volumes: willz is trying with me to solve the puzzle of how to get the right votes in the right places, and you are accusing me of being scum for it. Do you believe this makes you look less scummy to the rest of town?
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 20:41 GMT
#940
All I can say with certainty about willz is that he's always been dead on when it counted.

Now it counts, and he's making much sense right now. I have nothing more to say about that.
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 20:46 GMT
#942
You on the other hand have been wrong in so many things throughout this game, I wouldn't be surprised if you're "wrong" again.
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 20:51 GMT
#945
It's NOT about just willz' WIFOM case against you now. It's about your behaviour all game long, pointing in all different directions with inconsistent logic while at the same time always tunneling the same people with your votes. willz' case just tops it off at this point, also he seems reasonable in his voting analysis while you don't, at least to me.
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 20:56 GMT
#948
If you can change your posting style 100% while going from mafia to town, you can probably do it if you're going from mafia to mafia. It's exactly as hard as not changing your posting style while going from town to mafia.
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 21:09 GMT
#954
Afraid and aggressive. Not sure based on that.
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 21:14 GMT
#957
I don't mean you're afraid to say your opinion, but afraid of being lynched. Yes I know a townie would also be afraid in that situation but I'd hope you'd think first.
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 21:23 GMT
#961
The main reason why I don't think of willz as that likely scum anymore is that he actively helped me defend myself and get out of Dittert's fake accusation when he could have easily switched his vote over to me and more or less assured a scum victory if any townie had taken the bait and voted for me.
No scum would have ever done that. Not even Dittert. They would have thrown their victory away.
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 21:36 GMT
#965
On April 20 2012 06:32 Xatalos wrote:
That logic is so horrible it hurts. I was the first to mention why Dittert's claim wasn't genuine, and I didn't definitely vote for you or even think about doing that. Willz not voting for you either makes me Mafia exactly how?

I have this to say about that:
On April 20 2012 04:14 willz22912 wrote:
I am calling for all the real town to vote Xatalos instead now, including KB, to show that Dittert was being bussed by his teammates Xatalos and imallinson. The game is going to go on regardless if Dittert gets bussed by his teammates, the only information we will get is who gets shot N3, but gleaning information based on who Mafia shoot is completely WIFOM for town.

On April 20 2012 04:27 willz22912 wrote:
@ KB if you agree with my reasoning, please change your vote off Dittert and give town a chance to lynch Xatalos instead.

He actively gave me a chance to prove that I was not the scum in that situation by being willing to actually scumhunt. That's what I was referring to.
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 21:46 GMT
#971
I need to rethink this.

So it appears the votes now stand 3-1-1-1 for you over Dittert, me and willz.
If I voted for willz it would make the votes 2-2-1-1... and again give Mafia the chance to sway the vote in exactly the direction they want to. I'm sorry but if nobody else agrees with you I have to stay on you for the time being in order to avoid an unwinnable situation. The chance that you are scum is still much higher than scum not being able to get what they want in the 2-2-1-1 situation.

THAT SAID, does anyone i consider to be likely town agree with Xatalos? If so, we could make something happen together.
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 21:48 GMT
#975
On April 20 2012 06:45 willz22912 wrote:
@Xatalos, if you believe Dittert's DT claim to be real, why not vote KharadBanar since a DT check is also "100% confirmed Mafia" and Dittert also voted him as well, giving you +1 vote, making it more likely to save yourself?

Why vote me instead if you believe Dittert's claim (and do you think I'm also town considering Dittert is not willing to vote me anymore and he's a DT?)


He isn't considering Dittert's check to be real, he considers it to be very likely fake but you even more likely mafia. Even though I don't agree with him as much as he'd probably like, my opinion has since swung again in favour of him because you haven't been quite as active in saving me as I originally thought.
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 21:54 GMT
#979
Okay funcmode. If you are ready voting for Dittert, and Xatalos is ready voting for Dittert, then I'm ready too because Dittert is still my #1 scum (I know the DT claim can't be true). It's pretty unlikely that vote doesn't go through then, yomi is already on it.
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 22:01 GMT
#985
On April 20 2012 06:54 Xatalos wrote:
If Dittert was lying, then Willz and Dittert are Mafia. If Dittert was telling the truth, then Willz and KharadBanar are Mafia. The only logical conclusion is to vote for Willz right now.

It's exactly the same situation for me right now. If you are lying, then Willz and Dittert are Mafia. If you are telling the truth, then you and Dittert are Mafia. The only logical conclusion is for me to vote for Dittert right now.

HOWEVER! Mafia is going to see this distribution of posts and laugh as loud as they can before they switch to the townie with the vote on him at the last minute. So the only conclusion is for everyone to make up their minds and put their votes on one player they really believe to be Mafia. I have an extremely hard choice between you and willz right now, therefore I'm asking if you are willing to switch to Dittert all together so we can avoid the unpleasant scene we would have otherwise.
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 22:06 GMT
#987
If you switch your vote to me, the votes will probably remain stacked on you because I can't cast a useful vote on Dittert at that point, and if you are really town then scum will rub their hands about this and not even have to do anything to win.
If you switch to Dittert, we at least still have a decent chance of getting out of here alive.
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 22:23 GMT
#996
Don't say I have defended willz when in reality I haven't. I just said I saw more reason in his posts than in yours, and that conclusion isn't fucking hard to reach looking at your past few pages.
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 22:24 GMT
#998
I of course also voted you over willz when it came to it, but how that makes me connected with willz in any way I still can't see. Hell, I was even one of the first to vote him when Acrofales brought out his very first good case on Day 1!
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