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/in if there's room left.
Played one TL Mafia game so far (Newbie Mini Mafia VI). Read my reviews!
On April 06 2012 09:06 marvellosity wrote:gg KB, thanks for the post On April 06 2012 09:30 Kohbee wrote [PM]:
you are literally my favorite person ever. I love you. On April 06 2012 10:23 omnomMuffins wrote:
Thank you KB for such an amazing will. On April 06 2012 10:44 strongandbig wrote:
That was some really fucking impressive foresight by KB.
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May we vote for ourselves?
It says in the OP that we can but in Newbie Mini Mafia VI it also said this until someone asked, at which point Radfield silently edited it and claimed that it was never allowed in the first place... Better safe than sorry 
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I think there are certain corner cases where you...... I honestly have no idea. But the last game I played made a thing about it and the OP got edited, so I'm asking anyway because why the hell not. And it "confirms" with GreYMisT that I've read his post =D
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gl hf gg and everything else 
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Sure, why not?
But please let actual solid reads/cases take precedence over it. That said, I don't think real solid cases come up on Day 1, so I think for our first lynch we should employ this strategy.
Discuss.
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So the thing I am still having problems is, how do we find a viable opening strategy that gets Day 1 discussion going but doesn't necessarily create huge chaos in the thread?
In Aperture Mafia (the first game I watched), there was a dayvig shot 19 minutes into the game, it got claimed, and discussion started from there. The guy who shot and claimed ultimately got lynched.
In Newbie Mini Mafia VI (the first game I played), Kohbee essentially put out a random vote on HiroPro to get discussion going, but it kinda backfired and Kohbee was almost lynched Day 1/lynched for good Day 2, wasting 2 days of town activity. (Spoiler: Kohbee was Cop in that game).
So what's the plan here? Has anyone got anything specific in mind?
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EBWOP: Notice how both the openings I explained ended up in the guy doing it (a townie) getting lynched. When start discussion with something like this, we're gonna have to do it right.
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BroodKingEXE: How did your Day 1 start? Was it an accusation that got the discussion flowing or was it just random strategy talk like we're doing here?
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On April 12 2012 08:58 Dittert wrote:
What if we all agree to a rng lynch... at least proposing someone to lynch via rng. Then we have something to take a stance on.
Ah, finally a statement I can disagree on! You see, agreeing to lynch someone Day 1 on a random basis only leads to discussion on Day 2 and does not spark any Day 1 discussion at all... that is, if you really random-lynch someone.
If you propose it, you can tell all sorts of things by the players' reactions to your proposal, which makes the proposal itself a good idea, at least.
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So for the sake of pulling more active people into this thread I'm going to do something Kohbee did in Newbie VI to spark some discussion:
##Vote: HiroPro
I have no clue whether he is actually scum or not (he was in Newbie VI) but at least it will get him to talk.
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@willz22912:
I noticed that. My point was that the claim by Drazerk was definitely made to spark discussion within the town, and that it lead to a whole bunch of chaos in the thread and eventually Drazerk's downfall, helped by the fact that he just made shit up as he went along.
@Dittert:
The whole RNG thing makes tons of problems. First, how do you decide who determines the random number? We can't just decide to randomize some number "as a group". And how do you keep the guy randomizing from just pulling a random number out of his ass? How do you know the guy coming up with the number isn't scum and treats this as the perfect opportunity to off the player of his liking?
![[image loading]](http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/random_number.png)
@vonKlaust:
I claimed that I was pressure voting simply because I saw what happened to Kohbee in VI: He didn't properly claim it, people got confused and the chaos happened because they mistook him for scum. As to whether it's a bit early for pressure voting: I can take the vote off HiroPro pretty easily later on, but the exact timing when I exert/take off the pressure doesn't matter as much (I think, please correct me about this if I'm wrong).
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EBWOP: The @willz22912 part of my last post refers to willz22912's second-to-last post, in case that's not clear.
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I know. I just didn't want to quote three posts because then the whole thing becomes an unreadable mess, and you ninja'd me right as I was posting it >_>
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On April 12 2012 09:46 vonKlaust wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 09:37 BroodKingEXE wrote:On April 12 2012 09:19 vonKlaust wrote:I'm not sure I support pressure voting this early. Especially when you're so open about the fact that you're pressure voting. The game has been going for like an hour, and it's pretty natural that some people haven't posted yet. Also, stating that openly that you're voting for pressure kinda nullifies the effect, doesn't it? It's pretty funny that you actually just mentioned that this tactic ended up back fireing in your last game(it's even the same guy!) In Newbie Mini Mafia VI (the first game I played), Kohbee essentially put out a random vote on HiroPro to get discussion going, but it kinda backfired and Kohbee was almost lynched Day 1/lynched for good Day 2, wasting 2 days of town activity. (Spoiler: Kohbee was Cop in that game). He should be open about pressure voting! If he is going to pressure vote shouldn't we know as a town? That way we know that KB is thinks Hiro is not scum and that he isn't throwing his vote around randomly (like a scum). To be honest, I just read "A General Guide to Mafia" and on the subject of pressure voting it says: Show nested quote +"Never reveal that you are pressure voting, as this destroys its effectiveness. Refrain from saying that you are “pressure voting” or “policy voting” So what I was thinking was that it would be better to wait for a while, since it's pretty natural for people not to have posted yet, and putting out a vote later when the person you're pressuring have actually made posts which you can use in your pressure-attempt. I can't imagine that you would feel very pressured by the kind of pressure vote KharadBanar made. Thinking about it, what you say makes sense though. I guess throwing votes around seemingly lighly is a pretty good way to get lynched yourself.
Damn, I'm doing it wrong ;_;
Okay, another strategy question to discuss then: Should I leave the vote on him in that case? i.e. Is pressure voting "the wrong way" actually any more useful than not doing it at all? I still have the feeling the vote is going to accomplish something, but I'd like to hear your thoughts first because I'm not sure at all about it.
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...and this is actually a useful answer. Thank you Hiro. I'm not saying this is how it's done but I got the result I wanted in some way.
##unvote
btw, I don't think it's that obvious to everyone that I picked you just for that.
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EBWOP I'm by no means saying I just confirmed Hiro as town. This just means I got the result I wanted out of my vote, and I didn't really expect more out of it. It was still a slightly useful action in terms of exciting discussion, getting Hiro to post something, and last but not least the act of learning (Pressure Votes 101: How generally not to do it, for dummies).
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I'm off to bed now since it's past 3 AM and no posts have come in in 10 minutes. I'll be back tomorrow, good night!
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lol ninjad
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aaaaargh why did I click the thread one more time D:
Now I don't want to leave again...
But seriously, I'm way too tired for this. See you in about 12 hours!
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EPT
