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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18216 Posts
April 20 2012 11:21 GMT
#1103
Maybe I'm biased because I was scum in that game, but Risen's behaviour made absolutely NO sense.

There was no pressure on him to claim and there was no pressure on town. If he had played his cards right he could have sat back and observed what I was saying (and gathering possible connections in my behaviour), accumulated notes and got me lynched in a regular manner. Instead he engaged in conversations with WBG and claimed DT at a time when he really shouldn't have.

Dittert's claim came at lylo and he didn't know how to make a convincing case against the guy he had a red check on. He wanted people to lynch KB (which would've gotten him shot at night, but at least one more day for town). Was it a particularly convincing DT claim? No (for some reason, DT claims never seem to be). However, at least coming at lylo it made some sense for town. At the very least it reduced the chance of hitting scum to 1 out of 2, rather than 3 out of 8, which is nice at lylo.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18216 Posts
April 20 2012 11:49 GMT
#1105
You obviously have more experience in the game than I do, but given the outcome of D2 in GoT, it was quite unbelievable.

I looked at his claim again and it's messy and muddly. If you know that he actually is the DT it makes sense, but it seems like a decidedly weird claim.

First he votes for me without saying why here (fine, imho, but he already had me labeled as scummiest player, so not sure how effective this was).

Second he breadcrumbs his role here.

And finally he semi-claims by stating the either/or situation before he actually says that he's DT here.

He never bothers to make a believable claim with his role name or anything and it's rather messy. However, I haven't seen many DT claims yet. In DFM2 risk.nuke's came backed up by the game mechanics and BillMurray's was too dumb to be anything else
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18216 Posts
April 20 2012 15:41 GMT
#1120
Yeah, Mattchew nailed it. Activity isn't the problem, it's not getting caught up in the details. I'm not sure whether you took down private notes or not? If you didn't, it might help you next time: write stuff you think about everybody in private notes. When you get the feeling something is not right with someone's post, pull up your private notes and see what you wrote about him. Does this post make sense in the greater picture of what this player has been doing so far? Is this scummy or townie play? Why?

Another thing is that you really need to improve your posting style. I know that that is not an easy thing to do, but maybe make it an exercise to think beforehand: what is the main message of my post? Write your post keeping that in mind. When you're done, use the preview and ask yourself: am I getting my message across?

For instance, this post is a post that does not get a message across. If you still think AF is scummy, say so. If you think he's not, just say "yeah, AF's response was good. He is off the hook for now". Pointing out that your case generated discussion is not something you should do... it seems like you are excusing yourself for a bad case. No. You found something scummy in AF's playing and pointed it out. Other people disagreed with you. If you disagree with them, say so forcefully.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18216 Posts
April 21 2012 17:06 GMT
#1136
On April 21 2012 06:05 jaj22 wrote:
Well, it's not just lurkers. I have doubts that anyone read imallinson's filter properly (except funcmode, maybe), otherwise they should have been making a case. Players who weren't drawing attention to themselves were getting ignored.


I made a real exercise of going back and rereading everybody's filter everyday. But I am not afraid to admit that I find reading people's alignment hard. Especially not when the number of eople with scummy tendencies is as high as in this game.

The only two I got a good town read on were Arctic and vK. I found KB's D1 acceptable and his D2 list dropped him off my scumdar. Imallison was always on the edge of my scumdar, as was yomi. The problem I have is to disti fuish between unintentionally bad logic and willfully bad logic. That really screwed me up on willz and funcmode, and until i figured out xata, him as well. Dittert I wrote off as newbie town halfway through D2, because his behaviour was easier to explain way.

How can I improve tat?
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