EPTI might as well start writing up my post for D3 so you all can ignore it again...
Sigh.
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Dittert
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I might as well start writing up my post for D3 so you all can ignore it again... Sigh. | ||
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I'm still suspicious of Willz, but I haven't had time to reevaluate my case in light of everyone's postings today. Just skimming it though, I am way more suspicious of this Xat/Acro tag team we have going on. If I die, my advice is to follow the doctor's orders and just lynch Xat tomorrow. If I don't die, I'll waste my time reading through all these posts so that I can make a longer case for you to ignore tomorrow. | ||
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I never said Willz was town. I said I'm still suspicious of him. I'm just currently more suspicious of you, Xatalos! | ||
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##Vote: Xatalos | ||
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I know you're probably used to ignoring this post, but if you're town DO NOT IGNORE THIS POST OR ELSE YOU WILL LIKELY LOSE. To be fair, I think we've lost anyway, but following my advice is the only sure-fire way not to lose at the end of D3. For those of you unaware, if we mislynch, we automatically lose (ML makes it 4-3, N3 makes it 3-3 and then we are endgamed). Therefore, we must lynch someone we know 100% is mafia. Fortunately, today we have someone who fits that description. I know this because I am Detective. The first night, I checked ArcticFox, and he came up town, but also dead. Last night, I checked KharadBanar and he came up not town. Therefore, we must lynch KharadBanar. ##Unvote: Xatalos ##Vote: KharadBanar Here's my case: I. On Being Detective I know you might not believe that I am detective, as I have been what seems to be the worst player ever. Here's what I was thinking, however. D1 I obviously have no information to go on, so I just make a case against Willz as best I can. My RNG proposal was just me being new. After reading through the filters and seeing the reactions, I believed our Mafia team was definitely Willz and Yomi and the third member was likely AFox. I was so confident about Willz and Yomi (overconfidence being one of many newb mistakes) that I checked AFox to confirm my suspicion of the third. I make an awkward attempt at breadcrumbing my investigation here (first letter of each paragraph bolded): On April 16 2012 13:44 Dittert wrote: As for my last post, you better believe my frustration was genuine. If this game ended today, I would not be the saddest person alive. How could I not be frustrated? People started yelling at me for being newb/dumb right after my very first post, and they have essentially not let up since. FWIW, I used my phone to show the thread to my fiancee during some down time today, and her response was "Wow, those guys are really mean to you. Is this fun?" So there you go. Reading through the filters, I still can't find a more suspicious person than willz. I will now wait a second to allow you to bang your head on your desk and go "seriously, this shit again?" Careful though, don't bang too hard. Despite my previous raging, I don't actually want any of you to hurt yourselves. It's just a game. To start, we have the cases brought against him the first day by Acrofales and myself. Willz never really defends himself fully from Acro's case, instead he just plays the martyr/sympathy card and even admits that Acro's case sounds solid and reasonable. I couldn't understand Willz's motive for admitting to the merits of Acro's case, especially after everyone seemed to agree that my case against Willz was OMGUS and meritless. Then it struck me: Confusion. And here: On April 16 2012 13:44 Dittert wrote: As for the third mafia... well, I literally have no idea. I strongly suspected ArcticFox, but that didn't actually pan out.  The rest of you seem to be prattling on like misguided townies.In that same post, I call out Xatalos on a "blueslip," which I think is a scumslip. He hints at being DT, and I try to get him to claim DT so that I know for sure he is mafia (since I am DT): Xatalos - I am very interested in hearing this theory: I really want to hear a theory and a reason that doesn't involve you claiming DT, because if you've blueslipped here, the mafia will surely kill you tonight. The last thing the town needs is a dead DT. After D2, I was now uber-suspicious of Acro and Xato, mostly because Acro led the charge to switch the vote off Xato to HiroPro, who as we saw turned out to be doctor. I knew most people thought I was either scum or just terrible, so I decided to keep playing that card to keep myself alive: On April 17 2012 09:54 Dittert wrote: Two times I come home from work and two times I see an idiotic bandwagon that results in the town lynching another townie. I might as well start writing up my post for D3 so you all can ignore it again... Sigh. On April 18 2012 07:30 Dittert wrote: Home from work early today... am I too late for the bandwagon? I was antagonizing the town so the mafia would assume everyone else would stay suspicious of me. (My N1 rage post was completely sincere, and all that bad RL stuff really did happen to me. FMRL.) Since I thought Acro would be the only one game-savy enough to catch my breadcrumbing, and since I now strongly suspected he might be mafia, I thought he might shoot me. Hence this post: On April 18 2012 07:47 Dittert wrote: Since I'm home, I might as well post something, especially considering that it seems likely that I'm shot tonight. I could see a vig shooting me for being suspicious/bad/a smartass, but I could also see a Xat/Acro/3rd mafia team shooting me to reinforce their case against Willz. I've been tunneling Willz hard, and me flipping town (which I know I will) could lend some credence to my case. I'm still suspicious of Willz, but I haven't had time to reevaluate my case in light of everyone's postings today. Just skimming it though, I am way more suspicious of this Xat/Acro tag team we have going on. If I die, my advice is to follow the doctor's orders and just lynch Xat tomorrow. If I don't die, I'll waste my time reading through all these posts so that I can make a longer case for you to ignore tomorrow. I knew I'd flip DT when I died, and I didn't want people thinking I had investigated Willz on N1. I hadn't. My Willz case for D2 was still based solely on my reads. II. On Investigating KB Okay, so if you believe I'm DT, why the hell did I investigate KB, who everyone thought was 99% town? Well, like the first night, I was convinced I had 2 of the 3 mafia figured out: Acro and Xat. Not only did they "save" Xat with the Hiro vote, but they were also spamming up the thread all N2. Once again, I went hunting for the third mafia member. I dismissed Willz right away because he had a lot of heat on him from Acro, so I couldn't be sure the mafia wouldn't frame him (assuming we have a framer in the game). With Willz out, I also dismissed Yomi, since most of my scum read on him came from his association (in my mind, at least) with Willz. Not 100% town, but not the most likely candidate either. Funcmode seemed like a terrible choice, given that his filter was essentially empty. Figuring out that he was mafia wouldn't allow me to connect any dots, assuming either Acro or Xat turned up town down the road. That left KharadBanar, vonKlaust, and iamallinson. To be honest, I wouldn't be 100% surprised if all three turned up as our mafia team. They haven't posted too much, but they also haven't really been accused on anything. Perhaps they've spent the whole game sitting back and allowing us townies to lynch each other. In the end, I just went on a hunch and investigated KharadBanar. Given that basically everyone in town had him as their "99% town" read, it seems highly unlikely that the mafia felt the need to frame him, especially with so many other people in the middle of the discussion. III. On Not Being Mafia Myself How do you know I'm not mafia making a false DT claim? I guess technically you don't, and if you're not convinced yet, here's more reasoning: THE MAFIA DON'T NEED TO FAKE DT CLAIM TO WIN. 4 votes will lynch somebody, and they have 3 votes. All they need is for one townie to be up for debate and they can gang up for the win. Since we already have Willz and Xat going at each other, it seems likely that at least one of them is town. Assuming both of them have at least one townie vote near the deadline tomorrow, we lose. The mafia will switch to the town member and they will win. The only way this play makes even a little sense as mafia is if Willz and Xat are both scum as well and I'm trying to get them both off the chopping block. That doesn't make sense either, given the fact that: 1) I have been going after Willz aggressively the entire game. That's a pretty long con - all to set up this highly unlikely endgame scenario...? 2) Willz and Xat are going back and forth now, which would mean they're double bussing. 3) I was the first to vote for Xat on D3, meaning I'm bussing a teammate yet again. 4) If you don't believe me, isn't the person you're most likely to lynch me? In that case, we would still lose a mafia member. If you don't believe me and you don't lynch me, you're just not thinking clearly. I'm either right or mafia. After we lynch KB, mafia will surely kill me N3, especially if KB is the framer. After that, it's basically a guessing game and an odds game. Best of luck to you. I'll be around a bit Thursday morning to answer questions from non-confirmed mafia members, but once again I'll miss the vote due to work. Please don't screw this one up. Vote KB or Bust! | ||
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Dittert
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1) iamallinson and Xat are either the last 2 mafia OR too poor of logicians to help us in the endgame anyway. iamallinson does make at least one point though. Why did I vote Xatalos if I know KB is mafia? I'm not sure if that was the right play or not, but I needed to get discussion going on someone other than Willz, if only so the town could see people's D3 reactions. I was afraid everyone would think "Acro thought Willz was the most likely scum player, and Acro was the best town player, so let's just lynch Willz and be done with it." Willz making a case back against Xat could just be seen as him trying to save himself or OMGUS. I wanted to make a case against KB without DT claiming, but that's really hard to do from his filter. Not because he's so pro-town, but rather because his filter is so empty. Sure, he's got 4 pages of posts, but a lot of them are things like "lol, ninja'd." His voting record consists of almost entirely bandwagon votes on townies, but that doesn't look so out of place in this game - especially since most everyone else jumped on the bandwagon D1 and D2 as well. | ||
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If I'm mafia and trying to save Willz, why wouldn't I just step up and post a better case against Xatalos? Like I said before, with 2 choices on the block, the only reason for me to make this claim is if Willz and Xat are both mafia. Given Xat's reaction to my claim, I think that's highly unlikely. Also, that makes 3 votes on me now. Everyone else realize that if you vote for me before we have 4 votes on KB, we lose, as I'll be the first one to reach 4 in the event of a 4-4 tie. | ||
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For everyone else, we absolutely can not afford a mislynch. Right now, the only people you should be voting for are KB or myself. If you think I'm lying, then I must be mafia and vote me. If you think I'm telling the truth, vote KB so we can get a verified scum out of the game. Any other decision is illogical. | ||
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The whole game, everyone's two biggest town reads have been Acro and KB. Acro is dead, but KB is not. What's even more confusing is that it would be very easy to lead a case against Acro on D3, given that he lead the mislynch charge against HiroPro on D2. If KB is the top town read, why hasn't he been shot? Why shoot AFox (who was mediocre at best) and Acro (who could have easily been mislynched)? | ||
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Willz, you really think the mafia are thinking along these lines? Mafia 1: All we need to do today is get a mislynch and we win! Mafia 2: Right-o. Obviously the best way to get a mislynch today is to fake a DT claim and then bus the faker, which makes us more likely to get mislynch tomorrow! Mafia 3: Genius! I really am banging my head on the desk now. | ||
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Thanks to Greymist and Snarfs for hosting. Thanks to the Mattchew, Jitsu, and DoYouHas for the coaching advice. If you guys can believe it, I actually did ask for coaching help (at least a little...). I guess my main question is this - I basically felt constantly ignored and written off the entire game. I thought this was hilarious in the obsQT: HiroPro - I feel bad for Dittert. His posting hasn't been great, but he's completely right about people ignoring him. Even when they're 100% sure he's a fake DT, they won't vote for him... What should I have done differently to make you listen to me more, especially since I didn't want to appear 100% uber-town with being DT and everything. I'm equally interested to hear from the people in the game as I am from the coaches/hosts who could give insight from experience. | ||
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On April 20 2012 13:20 ArcticFox wrote: Specifically I'll tell you this, for at least when I was alive -- I had you pegged as a first time town player, making some off the wall suggestions and your town reads were really all over the place. But where I, personally, switched off and stopped listening to you was when you were in dire straits, arguing directly with willz and shitting up the thread, and after I asked you to stop it and seriously give me your reads, you fired that Princess Bride line at me, and promptly logged off without giving any info after that. If you're trying to come off as a helpful town, that was a serious fuck-up that made me completely stop listening to anything you said until your DT claim. Well, I have to disagree with you a little bit here about a couple of points. First, I don't think you can say that I was "shitting up the thread" at any point, especially considering I only have something like 3 pages worth of posts. I think I posted the least of anyone (or at least anyone who made it to the end), yet I get the strong sensation that everyone constantly thought I was "shitting up the thread." How does this happen??? Second, I was seriously giving you my reads. I thought Willz and Yomi were scum, and as it turns out, I was 1.5/2 (even the obsQT gave Willz credit for being the 4th scum). I didn't see the point in your "please please PLEASE go look up WIFOM," other than just trying to antagonize me, and I was already pretty antagonized by that point. You can essentially claim WIFOM for anything anybody ever says (or at least we did in this game), and you can't really even sign up for a game of mafia without knowing what that means. What was your point in that comment? Also, I thought that joke was just too good to pass up. The self-deprication on Day 2 where "nobody listens to dumb ol' Dittert" did you no favors of gaining town cred. Know what gains you town cred? Scumhunting, of which, due to either your work schedule or just frustration with the game over being called a scrub for 3 straight days, completely came to a halt. The only things that give off town cred are straight, decisive, logical cases (usually well-articulated helps). Hiro was doing it to some degree, and was really on the right track, but he lurked just a *little* bit too much, which got him lynched (I would have saved you Hiro! I knew you were blue! <3). That's why Acro, Xatalos, and I gained so much town cred, which was stripped from Xatalos as soon as people started pointing out how so many of his cases were logically flawed. Two points. First, like I mentioned in the DT claim, my N2 posts were deliberately designed to keep my town cred low, so I would survive to keep making DT checks. I guess I did that a little too well. I thought the logic of my DT argument would prevail, but I was mistaken. Second, I don't know how much stock to put into town cred. You had a bunch of it and got shot N1. Acro had a bunch of it, led us to a mislynch on D2, then got shot on N2. KB had a lot of it too, but he was fricking mafia!!! I guess I'm wondering what's the point of town cred when it didn't seem to do any good in this game (and actually cost us the game). Also, I have to ask -- why why WHY in God's name did you vote someone else after a red check on KB? Your rep in town was already shot, and that little maneuver I believe is a big reason why Town had such a hard time believing you were actually DT. That was probably my biggest mistake. I didn't want to DT claim right off the bat, as I wanted the discussion to get started first. I correctly predicted the total shitstorm the thread would devolve into after my claim. I failed to see that Willz would automatically start a Willz v Xatalos war, however, based purely on OMGUS if nothing else. I should have just waited around, but no one seemed like they were posting. In hindsight, I should have posted my claim earlier, especially since I knew I would not be around for the final 3 hours of the voting. Perhaps I could have somehow convinced people I was right. | ||
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