I didn't ask if Solohan was an idiot. You can take all my previous posts (where I have clearly been trying very hard for many days) or Hiro's extremely occasional, not-making-an-effort posts.

I will reiterate my questions that you quoted. Do you believe that I would have been that stupid? Is that what your filter tells me? Does my capacity to even ask the questions not indicate the answer?

Please just answer the two questions I posed and vote. If you think that I would be dumb enough not to have killed you and ended up in this extremely frustrating situation, then so be it.

marvellosity

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April 10 2012 22:41 GMT

#653

EBWOP: is that what my filter tells you, not vice versa of course

marvellosity

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April 10 2012 22:46 GMT

#655

I'm touched you believe in my intelligence ^^

Cue Hiro actually making an effort for the first time in days to remedy situation

marvellosity

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April 10 2012 23:13 GMT

#657

I am actually feeling a certain sense of elation, not because strongandbig is voting with me, which gives me the win, but because my mafia-read on you, Hiro, was correct. Your last two posts have proven this to me, whereas with s&b's posting on Bastard I had begun to doubt myself.

Your play has been clever, I'll give you that. you bussed solohan when it was clear the 4 votes on Kohbee were absolutely staying on Kohbee. You then set yourself up to look uber townie by accusing omnom, making a pre-day post, and then killing him.

What you failed to appreciate, however, is how killing omnom would look if I were mafia, and that's your mistake. You realised this after I pointed it out and tried to downplay it immediately

On April 10 2012 07:35 HiroPro wrote:
Only mafia know the reasons behind the night kills and I think speculating about why certain people were killed is extremely WIFOM and distracts from actually looking for mafia.

Then again you desperately try to discredit it

On April 11 2012 07:31 HiroPro wrote:
I don't believe a word you're saying right now. Your entire case is based on night kill WIFOM, which is something that mafia are primarily concerned with.

because you know it's so important.

I will happily ask you the two questions I asked strongandbig. Tell me straight, no other fluff, do you possibly think I could have played like that unless I was dumb? Looking forward to your answer.

marvellosity

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April 10 2012 23:14 GMT

#658

EBWOP: regarding my 2nd quote - you don't believe a word I'm saying? I wasn't saying anything, I was asking questions. Questions which you know the answer to.

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April 10 2012 23:22 GMT

#660

:rolls eyes:

yay, I'm a dumbass again

marvellosity

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April 10 2012 23:30 GMT

#661

I'm gonna keep banging on about my two questions asking if I'm a dumbass - just a reminder that omnom was the one who would have been voting on hiropro with me, and omnom was the one who was going to take aim at hiropro but couldn't because she was killed.

This is all very well, but it still comes down to my questions. But please remember that s&b as it has been brushed under the carpet a bit amidst the rest of this. Hopefully just the last thing that shows you why I WOULD NOT KILL OMNOM GODDAMNIT.

marvellosity

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April 10 2012 23:34 GMT

#663

Of course you do. Because you've been aiming at me for so long and you vote hiro and I flip mafia you kick yourself so hard it hurts.

Please just look at the merits of me killing omnom. Please.

marvellosity

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April 10 2012 23:55 GMT

#665

Don't be silly, Hiro.

##Unvote
##Vote: HiroPro

There, now you win if he doesn't vote.

marvellosity

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April 11 2012 00:03 GMT

#670

cmon the fuck, i just need to know if s&b really did play me like a little bitch :x

marvellosity

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April 11 2012 00:10 GMT

#674

Fuck yes, yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes.

Town - High fives!

strongandbig - I had to drag you goddamn kicking and screaming over the line in utter desperation, but we did it!

marvellosity

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April 11 2012 00:19 GMT

#680

On April 11 2012 09:15 strongandbig wrote:
YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

Marv you gotta admit
solohan made you look pretty bad, all your cases were wifom and he did the exact same kind of wifom as you

But the main reason I had such a hard time voting for hiro is that I felt so crappy about getting kohbee killed, and he was so sure that hiro was town.

Anyway I feel like slightly less of an idiot now

Yes he did, and that was very unfortunate for me. Because looking back he just said multiple things that fucked me over - but as it turned out we weren't working together, just the things he was saying were working against me!

Unlike you I didn't feel that bad killing Kohbee, I didn't feel like it was bad play on my part. And I'm glad that I got my scumread on Hiro right, and I got it right in advance.

Not to say I didn't do plenty of silly things this game of course

You absolutely played the best, right down to your final correct decision. So grats bro

Edit: Also my large thanks to Radfield and Cephiro to hosting this. tyvm ^^

marvellosity

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April 11 2012 00:38 GMT

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On April 11 2012 09:25 Solohan50 wrote:
We all made silly mistakes, though some (me) made more than others. It was definitely a good learning experience though; I took away a lot of good information. I think my biggest fault was talking Hiro into killing FourFace on Night 1 though, followed by my Night post on Night 1. We had initially been aiming for Kharad until Kohbee's roleclaim, and I thought killing FourFace would be useful to frame Kohbee. I think if we'd left FourFace in the game and killed Kharad on Night 1, things would've gone much better for Mafia. After killing FourFace, my Night post pretty much gave me away, which didn't leave much for me except to kill Kohbee and then have Hiro bus the shit out of me. Good game though, and hopefully next time I can play a little better.

gg mate. Maybe you underestimated how suspicious Kohbee looked for his claim anyway, you probably didn't need to add fuel to the fire.

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April 11 2012 00:48 GMT

#685

Can I just give props to therapist for a moment... from the obs QT -

Therapist.
04-04-2012
09:48 PM ET (US)
Solohan and Hiropro are scum. Guarunteed.

That was a week ago!

marvellosity

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April 11 2012 01:30 GMT

#694

Edit: Ninjad by VE

marvellosity

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April 11 2012 02:04 GMT

#707

On April 11 2012 10:38 jaj22 wrote:
Following the nightkill reasoning was acceptable there IMO. Consider that if Marvellosity is scum, he's actually planned to make himself the obvious target and then win the game with nightkill reasoning. You can yell WIFOM all you like, but that's just insanity. Marvellosity didn't show any signs of insanity.

KB, Kohbee simply does not understand the reasoning above. The fact that you, the rest of town, and every other contributor in this thread understands it will not help him, I fear.

marvellosity

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April 11 2012 02:33 GMT

#712

Should also be noted of course that I was proved right about Hiro...

On April 11 2012 11:22 Kohbee wrote:

Marvel, I see the logic you used to figure out Hiropro was scum. This is fine, however it only works because you know/knew that you were town. To others, your argument should be less about you and more about Hiropro and why he is scum.

Yes, but you should for example re-read KB's logic in obsQT, or any other logic. YES, the argument should be about why Hiro is scum.

My logic at the end wasn't even figuring out Hiro was scum, not at all. It was just to establish I could NOT be scum, because, as many others have pointed out, that would have been an insane/dumb play on my part.

It was indeed WIFOM, but it was WIFOM with irrefutable logic unless you accept I am insane, as jaj wrote.

marvellosity

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April 11 2012 02:44 GMT

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On April 11 2012 11:40 Kohbee wrote:
To say this is only about marvel is also untrue. In my first (or second im lazy) postgame post I asked for the reasoning behind Strongandbig's vote on hiropro (which is where my comment about town lucking into victory stems from). If you go back i still think that me and KB's cases from days ago against Marvel were stronger than anything Marvel said about Hiropro.

Ps. I am taking issue with using WIFOM around NK's as the argument for any lynch. Its part of the reason I got mislynched too in this game.

That's because in your case the WIFOM could lead to any number of reasonable explanations.

In this case, there was no reasonable explanation for scum marv killing omnom. This is the difference.

marvellosity

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April 11 2012 02:50 GMT

#719

On April 11 2012 11:47 Kohbee wrote:
The more you guys expect town, scum, blues, 3rd parties etc to act as you would, the more you will continually be disappointed in your results.

I don't think you understand that you saying its irrefutable logic should prove my point exactly. Because you can think this, this makes it instantly not insane, and actually quite cunning, to pull something like this as scum. You are not seeing yourself from an outsiders prospective who do not know you are town.

All I am saying is that IMO you needed to add a lot more than just I WOULD BE STUPID TO DO THIS, to the thread to have ensured victory. I understand that you did what you thought was necessary to win the game, but I don't think this is the right way to go about your reads, ESPECIALLY in lylo

You are not grasping that I had the option to kill strongandbig for an easy mafia victory.

I pointed out myself that I was resorting to a desperate WIFOM case instead of ensuring my own victory by killing strongandbig. This would not be a cunning mafia play, it would be stupid, because I could have ensured my own victory.