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On April 06 2012 06:19 Acrofales wrote:
Ok, I guess that settles it. We still have the following pulls:
Mr.Wiggles
Dirkzor
Mattchew
Cephiro (you can still pop right?)
Tobon
syllogism (don't think we can count on his pops)
Acrofales
This should be enough to pull bluelightz off the edge, barring very weird shit happening.
I _should_ be able to PoP. I am waiting for confirmation. If I do not get confirmation in time, I will type the commands anyway and hope for the best.
As long as I'm around I'll try to keep doing useful stuff and respond to questions, however I can't promise that I will have a "proper case" which layabout asks for on cascades before the night.
+ Show Spoiler +I haven't heard of Radfield that is the main host of NMM VI, so I must stay up 2,5 more hours unless he turns up. T_T I am so going to fall asleep...
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On April 06 2012 01:47 layabout wrote:
##pull Bluelightz
##push Mattchew
Terrific find Acrofales, nice. Layabout, you're in for some explaining. You claimed multiple times that you cannot PoP, but now you seem to have done it regardless? Or are you just going to claim they are fakes / won't work, if so, why would you do it?
I guess we'll have to wait for the updated PoP-count to verify if they worked or not, but after all your claims of not being able to PoP, what is this?
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On April 06 2012 06:45 layabout wrote:
You ask me to post PoP's to prove that i couldn't PoP.
I post PoP's to prove that i couldn't PoP.
=>I am suspicious.
I know the first one was legitly just proving since I asked for it myself, but the latter one confused me.
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Also, confirmed that I am able to PoP.
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On April 06 2012 06:55 layabout wrote:
I know the first one was legitly just proving since I asked for it myself, but the latter one confused me.
You claimed to have been nullified. I thought i better post again just in case it would not have counted anyway. Plus it should show that i can't do either.[/QUOTE]
I see. Please clarify the next time in a similar situation so we don't waste time over stupid misunderstandings. ^^
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On April 06 2012 06:55 layabout wrote:
You claimed to have been nullified. I thought i better post again just in case it would not have counted anyway. Plus it should show that i can't do either.
I see. Please clarify the next time in a similar situation so we don't waste time over stupid misunderstandings. ^^
EBWOP: Repost fixing the quotes, I am clearly getting too tired. T_T
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Going to push syllo and pull bluelightz. Objections?
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##push syllogism
##pull Bluelightz
I don't think it was a scumslip, but a mere conditional of the point that no-one is confirmed. Some players write every post of theirs from the perspective that their alignment is questionable, and some write them as their alignment is town.
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I will unfortunately be very busy most of the whole dayphase (Today a we're celebrating that a friend of mine finished his military service, and tomorrow my sister's birthday.) My opinion: Insta-kill syllo by pulling him down (I'll explain a bit later, but we will only need ~5 pulls for this unless they use an ability or two. Then I would push 3 people into the flames (but not to the item) in this order (to use less PoP thanks to stacking mechanic: cascades -> prplhz -> Mattchew -> prplhz -> cascades.
This will end up cascades at 17, and mattchew+prplhz at 16. (And can be pushed further easily if needed.) I will post cases on these players later (as I do not have the time to do it currently.)
Also, night-kill FML. :/
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I'll post properly tomorrow morning. I am the Warp Prism Toy and I'm fucking awesome and tired.
##push Mattchew
Add up the pieces and you'll figure that Mattchew is scum, and throwed VisceraEyes into the flames the first day (VE moved at least 2 spots, and no scum would have a double hidden PoP, his throw ability explains it perfectly.)
Also I want cascades dead. Syllo+Mattchew+cascades confirmed scum to me, I will read more tomorrow morning with cases on each. For now you're just best off killing those three as they're all scum.
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##pull cascades
(Done after my warp)
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EBWOP: ##pull cascades
Told you I'm tired. Pull done after I swapped places with him. Will explain stuff tomorrow morning (+7-9 hours ish)
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Hello everyone, currently on a bus on the way home, but I thought I'd chip in here with a quick comment.
I definitely enjoyed the game even though it turned out like this, I swear at some points I was banging my head in the wall and asking myself "Why the f*** don't these guys just get it??", but I learned many things myself as well. I'd like to think I started the game well, and played good especially considering my "newbie" status.
@ Acrofales: I'll respond to you when I put in a more detailed post later.
A few things I realized I need to work on: Even if I am absolutely sure that someone is scum, there is still a possibility I am wrong, and I need to even more objectively be able to re-evaluate my stance if needed. Also, just because I am sure of someone being scum is not enough reason for others, but you need a proper case and basis, and remember that they may not know everything you do.
About my role: I really liked the role of the Warp Prism Toy, even though the limitations made it's use somewhat hard. I guess my D2 plan is quite clear to everyone by this point. I wanted to go for the item to gain a possible bonus for the town and then swap places to send a scum in the fire (and continue by pushing him over the edge with my own push if I got to the highest spot.) Nullifier seemed like a very strong power to me so I figured it probably has to be limited somehow, but considering my own role I knew that our vig-like roles would be more important than me, so even the worst-case scenario wouldn't have been that bad. I on purpose tried to look overconfident and make the scum scared of my ability, so that they would at least use the nullify on me if nothing else (so that our vig roles could work in all peace), and it worked. I knew Tobon was the De Ja Vu Toy and I tried to tell him to save it for later for a worse scenario, but I doubt it would have saved the whole game for us later either.
What I don't get is how easily townies just wanted to get rid of Bluelightz when there was clear scum all over the place which should have been dealt with first, and later on when irl issues came up (I am truly sorry for my lategame inactivity, and I really wish to play again in a future Death Factory setup), I simply didn't have the time to start convincing town all over again.
And jadda jadda jadda... I'll get more in-detail later, feel free to shoot me questions or tell opinions about my play.
GG scum, and thank you for a great game everyone.  Special thanks to the hosts for this game, my literal feeling as the first two days progressed would be best described by that internet-meme guy which has a rainbow drooling out of his mouth. I just felt this is getting more and more awesome by every moment!
PS: One thing that would be awesome in the future if possible would be a real-time bot to update the situation, as there are certain things that can be done with coordination but are heavily time/situation dependant and require the knowledge of the current situation (such as reaching the item etc.)
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EBWOP: I also think I did fairly well at hunting scum, as the only one I did not really suspect THAT much. (which was due to me wanting to concentrate on getting the scum I know killed before hunting down the rest of the team), was Zentor.
Syllo+cascades were red for me quite early, I was suspicious of Nemesis but as I had more on my hands at that point and was too focused on trying to figure if mattchew / prplhz could somehow be town. (I even stubbornly thought a bit later on that prplhz was just scum that upped his play to very townie-like after getting caught, but if I had spent even more time reading his filter objectively I would've probably realized the real situation). I'll talk more about acrofales (and others) when I respond to him and talk more in-detail later.
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On April 10 2012 23:59 syllogism wrote:
It's not very difficult to suspect someone when there is, to you, a red check on him. I still maintain that most of your actually case against me was made up
I was suspicious you very early, but nothing to be sure of. After the red light, and sbrubbles reactions after his lurking, it was clear to me that you were the scum out of two.
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On April 11 2012 00:16 syllogism wrote:
And your "confidence" had nothing to do with you getting nullified, but rather the fact that you open claimed your role and intentions
Yes, I read the scum QT, and with all the things I said it was quite obvious I was the WP Toy. Why so hostile though?
I see that in the scum QT even you had your doubts, so yeah...
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