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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 04 2012 22:49 GMT
#1071
On April 05 2012 07:37 Acrofales wrote:
@WBG: all of this from a guy who (rightfully) insists on consolidating pops. Current suspects are, unless I am missing something: Syllo (and pushes on Cephiro to get Syllo), Bluelightz, Tobon, BillMurray (although I disagree, I just think he's dumb), Mattchew and MrZentor. I personally wouldn't mind seeing MrWiggles in that list too.

Seeing as there's only 5 scum and we cannot possibly hope to lynch all those people today, MIND CONSOLIDATING?

Votes have already been cast on Syllo (by way of Cephiro, assuming that pans out) and Bluelightz. I personally think those are pretty good votes (although I still think we should just have straight up lynched Syllo).

Given that any lynch today requires us to push someone completely off the queue to ensure a kill, we should really focus on one target at a time (or one for pushing and one for pulling).

Discussing other targets seems fine, but at this point please don't consider poping them.


Yes, consolidating on Bluelightz (what do you think I've been trying to do?)

I'm discussing other players because once we kill Bluelightz we can potentially kill another player.

I agree with you that there are too many suspects. There are clearly some dumb people in this town. I can't figure out whether wiggles is being malicious or whether he's just not putting enough effort in. For most of the game I have considered him town, though. Players like Zentor and Bluelightz are legitimately capable of being bad. There's not much difference between the two, to be honest.

Mattchew looks like scum, particularly because he played completely differently in GoT. I don't think he is just having a bad game.

In the remaining players we have prplhz who is looking more town simply because the rest of the players are looking worse. Wouldn't count him out yet though, and if syllo flips scum he'll be the first I'll go after.

If syllo/prpl are scum that leaves 3 out of these players, IMO:

mattchew, bluelightz, zentor, tobon, BM.

We just need flips. Consolidating does not mean we only need to flip one person today. We can flip two and it'll be great.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 04 2012 23:15 GMT
#1083
There are several townies in this game who are not pulling their fair share. You know who you are; if I consider you to be scummy at this point and you're actually town you're probably one of them.

People who need to stop fucking around if they are town:

mattchew, cascades, bluelightz, BM, MrZentor

The chance that all of you are scum is incredibly marginal, so please, whichever ones of you are town, step it up and try to help find the scum.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 05 2012 00:38 GMT
#1099
everyone who still has a push ability should now push syllo.

he's clearly scum at this point, not even bothering to defend himself.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 05 2012 01:00 GMT
#1120
On April 05 2012 09:57 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 09:56 MrZentor wrote:
My push on him didn't even count, retard.

You can act like scum 18 minutes into the game.


You could not have known that it didn't count unless you were scum. So why are you trying to back yourself up with that claim?


no, he could've. Look at the most recent action list.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 05 2012 01:04 GMT
#1122
wait so all actions have been reversed by Tobon's revive?

Are we back in the original positions?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 05 2012 02:21 GMT
#1135
let's push syllo, pull bluelightz.

Once we've pulled bluelightz off the board and pushed syllo off as well we can consider others like Mattchew, zentor, prpl, etc.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 05 2012 03:23 GMT
#1144
On April 05 2012 11:56 Mattchew wrote:
Here are my thoughts.

Cephiro is 100% town in my eyes. I do disagree with him about syllo and acro. I get scum vibes from prp and cascades for sure though.

I hate trying to figure out bluelightz. In all honesty he is a permanent null read because he seems to always be scum's go to townie lynch.

Bill Murray is scum IMO.

Tobon is probably scum

anyone have any clue as to what the conveyor belt thing looks like after todays actions so far?



hi scum.

You think stupid things because you haven't been reading the thread.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 05 2012 05:31 GMT
#1161
rofl syllo is at the item
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 05 2012 09:07 GMT
#1184
I'd rather push syllo all the way over than leave him in the incineration zone, I agree.

Rather than risk not having a flip, I'd like it if we know for sure he's going to die.

As for pulls, we might want to discuss those in depth because now that things have been reset we can actually pull someone other than Bluelightz if we want. I still think Bluelightz needs to die, but one can easily make a case for MrZentor, mattchew, and cascades particularly.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 05 2012 09:31 GMT
#1186
On April 05 2012 18:12 Dirkzor wrote:
I'm just not sure about BL because both Zentor and Mattchew want him dead too... And I have a nagging feeling that BL would do this as town aswell.


yeah, I'm having the feeling that he isn't bothering to read the thread and he's just derping around because he has role and wants to use it.

It seems rather odd that the lights would go out after he chose to use the role. I suppose scum could have tried to make him look worse through that. I dunno, I've been thinking about that whole thing a lot and it's rather difficult for me to say whether BL is actually scum, because I don't know exactly how to differentiate between bad play and scum play.

The problem with leaving him alive is that he actually doesn't do anything. That's exactly how he played as scum. Perhaps if that's just his general style we can't do anything until we've flipped a scum and we have the luxury of coming back to him.

I'll do some rereading when I wake up in the morning. I'm going to look through the posts and see if I can find anything that didn't stand out to me before.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 05 2012 21:21 GMT
#1282
Pull Bluelightz and kill him please.

Every time he comes into the thread he says scummy shit and never actually offers town anything. He wants to leave it up to chance whether or not he uses his role tonight after we've all told him he's retarded for using it in the first place. He's obsessed with having his role confirmed when no one cares about his role but rather the fact that he chose to use it at all!

Sure, he could very well be the worst townies in existence, but we'll never know till he dies and he's going to wreck town discussion till then because he does nothing but bitch, moan, and act stupid.

Just kill him.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 05 2012 21:27 GMT
#1284
Bluelightz says he'll "flip a coin" which is just phenomenally stupid if he's town. The only reason he would say that is if he wanted some excuse not to get lynched tomorrow.

I mean think about it, even the dumbest of townies would say, oh, you guys didn't want that, guess I won't use my power tonight.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 05 2012 21:50 GMT
#1296
layabout, in that gif are you the dog or the guy?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 05 2012 23:13 GMT
#1311
On April 06 2012 07:28 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 06:21 wherebugsgo wrote:
Pull Bluelightz and kill him please.

Every time he comes into the thread he says scummy shit and never actually offers town anything. He wants to leave it up to chance whether or not he uses his role tonight after we've all told him he's retarded for using it in the first place. He's obsessed with having his role confirmed when no one cares about his role but rather the fact that he chose to use it at all!

Sure, he could very well be the worst townies in existence, but we'll never know till he dies and he's going to wreck town discussion till then because he does nothing but bitch, moan, and act stupid.

Just kill him.

check the bolded, for instance
WBG admitted bluelightz is town yet again
the funny thing is, what he's doing is pretty pro-town it seems, but I set this trap days ago, and he just fell in. It's really funny that I already saw a slip from him, but he just fell to one of my traps

I pushed what he just said in the bolded. I pushed a policy lynch on BL to see if scum would bite on it on that policy. He just bit.

I'm happy with my push on WBG, I can't take into account what Palmar may or may not have done, for instance. I can only play to what I know of the mechanics when the lights are off.

WBG is scum


Are you seriously this bad as town or did you roll scum yet again?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 06 2012 04:49 GMT
#1317
syllo must have been position swapped with layabout
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 06 2012 07:48 GMT
#1320
Mr.Wiggles Push syllogism
Bluelightz Pull prplhz Push syllogism
risk.nuke Push Cephiro Pull Bluelightz
Dirkzor Push Syllogism Pull Bluelightz
Mattchew Push Syllogism
Snarfs Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism
Cephiro Push syllogism Pull Bluelightz
Tobon Pull Bluelightz Push Mr.Wiggles
wherebugsgo Pull Bluelightz Push Cephiro
layabout
syllogism
Mr.Zentor Pull Bluelightz Push Syllogism
prplhz Pull Bluelightz Push Cephiro
Acrofales Push Cephiro Pull Bluelightz
Bill Murray Push wherebugsgo Pull Snarfs
cascades Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism
Nemesis Pull Bluelightz Push syllogism

Players highlighted in red look very bad; Wiggles I've only highlighted red because he chose not to use his pull.

Based on these pushes and Nemesis having a double pull/push ability, the queue probably looked like this originally:

24.[___________][___________]
23.[___________][___________]
22.[___________] [___________]
21.[___________][___________]
20.[___________][___________]
19.[___________][___________]

18.[Snarfs][prplhz]
17.[___________][___________]
16.[wherebugsgo][cascades]
15,[syllogism][Bluelightz]
14.[Cephiro][___________]
13.[Dirkzor][___________]
12.[Nemesis][___________]
11.[Bill Murray][___________]
10.[Mr.Wiggles][___________]
9.[risk.nuke][Mr.Zentor]
8.[Tobon][Acrofales]
7.[Mattchew][layabout]
6.[___________][___________]
5.[___________][___________]
4.[___________][___________]
3.[___________][___________]
2.[___________][___________]
1.[___________][___________]

Basically, here's what I think happened, starting at the beginning of the day:

+ Show Spoiler [Cephiro gets nullified[/spoiler] +
24.[___________][___________]
23.[___________][___________]
22.[___________] [___________]
21.[___________][___________]
20.[Cephiro][___________]
19.[___________][___________]

18.[___________][___________]
17.[wherebugsgo][prplhz]
16.[Snarfs][cascades]
15,[syllogism][___________]
14.[___________][]
13.[Dirkzor][___________]
12.[Nemesis][Tobon]
11.[Bill Murray][___________]
10.[Mr.Wiggles][___________]
9.[risk.nuke][Mr.Zentor]
8.[___________][Acrofales]
7.[Mattchew][layabout]
6.[Bluelightz][___________]
5.[___________][___________]
4.[___________][___________]
3.[___________][___________]
2.[___________][___________]
1.[___________][___________]

Here Tobon gets hulk-smashed up 3 spaces by Nemesis, Bluelightz is pulled to position 6, prplhz is pulled by Bluelightz, I am pushed once by BM, and Snarfs is pulled once by BM. Cephiro is pushed four times into the red zone and is nullified right before he can get to the item at position 20.


At this point the board is reset to its original setting by Tobon.

Now, syllo is pushed four times and bluelightz is pulled three times before the next major event happens: syllo gets the item.

+ Show Spoiler [syllo gets the item] +
24.[___________][___________]
23.[___________][___________]
22.[___________] [___________]
21.[syllogism][___________]
20.[___________][___________]
19.[___________][___________]

18.[Snarfs][prplhz]
17.[___________][___________]
16.[wherebugsgo][cascades]
15,[___________][___________]
14.[Cephiro][___________]
13.[Dirkzor][___________]
12.[Nemesis][Bluelightz]
11.[Bill Murray][___________]
10.[Mr.Wiggles][___________]
9.[risk.nuke][Mr.Zentor]
8.[Tobon][Acrofales]
7.[Mattchew][layabout]
6.[___________][___________]
5.[___________][___________]
4.[___________][___________]
3.[___________][___________]
2.[___________][___________]
1.[___________][___________]


syllo is now pushed once more before he teleports to layabout's position, switching them.

+ Show Spoiler [syllogism switches positions with laya…] +
24.[___________][___________]
23.[___________][___________]
22.[layabout] [___________]
21.[___________][___________]
20.[___________][___________]
19.[___________][___________]

18.[Snarfs][prplhz]
17.[___________][___________]
16.[wherebugsgo][cascades]
15,[___________][___________]
14.[Cephiro][___________]
13.[Dirkzor][___________]
12.[Nemesis][Bluelightz]
11.[Bill Murray][___________]
10.[Mr.Wiggles][___________]
9.[risk.nuke][Mr.Zentor]
8.[Tobon][Acrofales]
7.[Mattchew][syllogism]
6.[___________][___________]
5.[___________][___________]
4.[___________][___________]
3.[___________][___________]
2.[___________][___________]
1.[___________][___________]


From there syllo is pushed an additional five times, bringing him back to his starting position, and Bluelightz is pulled down all the way to position 4, and Wiggles is pushed once (while Bluelightz or syllo is in position 11) to position 12, bringing us to the final positions we see:

Ending queue Positions
+ Show Spoiler +


24.[___________][___________]
23.[___________][___________]
22.[layabout] [___________]
21.[___________][___________]
20.[___________][___________]
19.[___________][___________]

18.[Snarfs][prplhz]
17.[___________][___________]
16.[wherebugsgo][cascades]
15,[syllogism][___________]
14.[Cephiro][___________]
13.[Dirkzor][Mr.Wiggles]
12.[Nemesis][___________]
11.[Bill Murray][___________]
10.[___________][___________]
9.[risk.nuke][Mr.Zentor]
8.[Tobon][Acrofales]
7.[Mattchew][___________]
6.[___________][___________]
5.[___________][___________]
4.[Bluelightz][___________]
3.[___________][___________]
2.[___________][___________]
1.[___________][___________]


If I've made a mistake somewhere along the line, please point it out.

What does this mean? Syllo is 99.9999% scum, and both Cephiro and risk.nuke are probably town. Tobon is probably town.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 06 2012 07:52 GMT
#1321
In recap, we should have never gone with the Cephiro plan, but it's okay because the only way syllo would have known to teleport to layabout (the last player in the queue) is if he was scum.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 06 2012 08:50 GMT
#1323
look at you syllo, trying to troll!

it's kinda cute.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 06 2012 08:53 GMT
#1325
Right, so how do you explain the announcement of the item being picked up after Snarfs pushed you, followed by layabout magically finding himself in position 22 (one after the item) with you in the middle of the queue despite being pushed something like 10 times?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 07 2012 04:19 GMT
#1340
If I die tonight, be sure to kill syllo tomorrow.

One of these players targetted Palmar n1 (most likely killed)

8.[Snarfs][prplhz]
17.[___________][___________]
16.[wherebugsgo][cascades]
15,[syllogism][Bluelightz]
14.[Cephiro][___________]
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