Now that we have gotten VE and Palmar at least momentarily safe, I would like to discuss our kill possibilities.

My own opinions are still the same as they were earlier:

Out of the top people, I would like to see cascades pushed to death.
Out of the bottom people, I would like to see syllogism pushed to death.

I was a bit more even with Sbrubbles and syllogism earlier, but Sbrubbles latest post was at least decent, and the way phrplz acted makes syllo look worse in my eyes.

I have one pull left, which I will be most likely using on either Sbrubbles or syllogism. (Preferably the latter, but I'd prefer a kill over none at all.), or if it looks bad, I will buffer VE/Palmar.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

April 03 2012 00:34 GMT

#627

On April 03 2012 09:30 prplhz wrote:
He was nullified by scum and would be a pretty poor move if Palmar was scum.

Okay, I believe this is what they call WIFOM. But I'd like to point it out anyway: How could you know for sure he was nullified by scum? I do admit that it certainly doesn't look like a pro-town move, but there is a slight possibility it could have been a townie ability.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

April 03 2012 00:40 GMT

#634

@ Snarfs: Okay, you do have a good point there, but there is a extremely small chance that it could still have been done by a townie that has not just simply been around since, or may be too scared to claim doing such after seeing some of the pressure I got for threatening Palmar. (But let's not dwell on this, not worth speculating much over, but I wanted to bring it up.)

@ Nemesis: The Horsie Toy in DF1 was able to move one spot upwards or downwards once per day if I'm not mistaken, and that could be the explanation. I think VE used it on his way upward to Palmar though?

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

April 03 2012 00:44 GMT

#638

##pull syllogism

I know that one of Sbrabbles & syllogism is scum, and at the moment syllogism looks scummier to me due to aforementioned reasons.

That's my PoP for today.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

April 03 2012 00:48 GMT

#641

On April 03 2012 09:44 prplhz wrote:
Okay. Then lets assume that.

If there's 95% chance of the thing that I'm assuming then why are you even complaining? What do you gain by this other than just ruining whatever shred of a case you had against me by proving conclusively that you're just tunneling me? I can understand wherebugsgo, he has some crazy idea that getting on people's nerves will make his read of them better (I totally disagree with that, he's better in observer QTs because he isn't in the game to screw everything up), but why are you doing it? I'm kinda leaning more town on you after reading through your filter. You seems excessively active for a scum, even though a lot of it has been mindless OMGUS aggression against me spurred on by wherebugsgo.

Wbg simply pointed out a contradiction you did, you brought the rest up on yourself only by your own actions.

Guess what? I don't care if you lean more town on me now. At the moment you would have to do much more than try to buddy with me to change my mind about you. So if you're trying to get me out of the way, I dare you to kill me at night. Because you ain't getting rid of me that easily. Also just fyi, I have no need to tunnel on you. I have several other scumreads, but you're just strengthening yours by every post you make.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

April 03 2012 00:55 GMT

#650

In my opinion cascades > Wiggles and syllogism > Sbrubbles.

I am out of PoP however. Before you make the choice, please re-read both of the filters and make up your own opinion.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

April 04 2012 04:11 GMT

#798

My analysis coming up soon. Syllo is confirmed scum from my POV now. Nemesis, if that's a day-vig, I sure hope for your sake that you're ready to take the consequences if you fail.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

April 04 2012 04:21 GMT

#802

Blue, I wouldn't reveal it quite yet if I were you. If I don't remember wrong, in DF1 the evil toy with the ability to turn the lights off was still able to see +/- 1 queues from himself, and thus the only one you are helping by telling that is scum, until we decide to do something together as town.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

April 04 2012 04:23 GMT

#804

Also, since the trap blows up at the end of the day, moving around should be relatively safe for now.

I suggest that town pushes me towards the item at the lethal queue.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

April 04 2012 04:28 GMT

#807

My main reason for doing this is not the item. I have another plan in mind, but I will need town assistance for that. Reaching the item however will confirm that I've reached the lethal queue, which helps both in ensuring my idea works, and gaining the item for town is also a good thing. I will be open and use it as town wants if you require that. If you help me with this, I can get a scum killed.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

April 04 2012 04:29 GMT

#809

Also Tobon, please do not use your pull on syllo yet. I should be able to kill him if you help me.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

April 04 2012 04:33 GMT

#811

Yes, but we should have more people for that before we do it. I wouldn't want to get stuck halfway and waste some of the town chances to kill scum if I only get 1-2 pushes now, as I am not certain how far I am from the lethal area.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

April 04 2012 04:41 GMT

#816

Also, what do you others think about the nullify abillity? I have my reasons to believe it is very limited, at most 2-shot, most likely oneshot. If anyone can tell something about queue positions, you should come forth with the information as well, as I cannot see town getting hurt more than having a benefit of it.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

April 04 2012 04:51 GMT

#821

Bluelightz - Wouldn't really go as far as calling him a certain scum, but he plays poorly enough that I don't have anything against getting him killed atm. About his ability, he'd better be off telling us that 1 safe spot out of 3, so we'll narrow the bomb to one of the remaining two. Horrible PoP usage yesterday, one pretty much OMGUS and one not at all. Up your play or get killed.

risk.nuke - Please contribute more. Even if what you claim is true and your ability helps the town a lot, there's still so much more you can do by actively scumhunting.

Mattchew - Hasn't really done anything useful. Very eagerly likes to start pushing townies towards the flames. (He was one of the first ones to pull Palmar & push VE, the thing which makes it stand out for me is his lack of other contribution and the way he just instantly used his PoPs, giving at least me the feeling that he didn't bother thinking about possible outcomes at all.) Was vouching for Palmar to get the item somewhat loudly, didn't show consideration of other possibilities at all.

layabout - I want at least proof of your claim that you do not have any PoP as someone pointed out, so please show it to us now that D2 has started. I'm having a hard time believing you have no PoP at all unless you have a very strong ability to make up for it.

syllogism - After checking the day post, I know that syllo is scum, no need for me even to analyse his filter. I will spoiler some things below however. Also, just watch him start to try and get me killed now that I am absolutely certain he is Evil.

+ Show Spoiler +

On April 01 2012 18:21 syllogism wrote:
There is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't implement a voting system of sorts. Even if there are some issues with some people not cooperating, it will still produce useful information. Further, everyone should be forced to explain their reasons for pushing or pulling someone as it's quite likely there are also scum powers who need to PoP to use their ability and a free for all just allows hiding such actions.

I found the bolded interesting. Are you meaning abilities alike Hulk Toy's extra strong PoPs or something else? I'd clarification on this. Also, you say that everyone should be forced to explain their reasons for PoPing someone. However, I find your reasoning to push BM extremely lacking.

He also pushes for Bill Murray, with his only reason that he believes the roleclaim to be unlikely/fake. The only thing he "co-operates" with others by doing this, is when he asks if anyone is up for a BM lynch. After pretty much no responses, he proceeds to waste his push anyway.

If you read his filter, you can also see that he isn't actively pressuring anyone, but mostly standing aside and just laughing off any suspicions pointed at him. He hasn't been actively scumhunting at all, but he sure finds the time to laugh at any fingers pointed at him.

prplhz - Is very against Palmar getting the item, but later considers me very scummy due to the same reason, with the only difference that I was slightly more vocal about it. Keeps dodging wherebugsgo's questions after he points out this contradiction, as well as refuses to provide detailed reasoning why he is so sure about syllogism being town. He tries to get me lynched, but after seeing town supporting me, he quickly changes his mind about tunnelling me and starts buddying up with me, pointing out how I now suddenly seem more town to him. After this he proceeds to pull sbrubbles (Town).

If you're going to call me out, please be more creative than everyone else so far, we don't need more Captain Obviouses to point out I was very against Palmar getting the item, you're not going to get any further by constantly bringing that up.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

April 04 2012 04:53 GMT

#822

I still have a few persons I want to point out a few things about, but I thought I'll post that for now.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

April 04 2012 04:57 GMT

#825

Nemesis, Snarfs, Tobon, wbg, I would already have 5 pushes if you all pushed me towards the lethal zone. Taking into account that stacks are likely, and that the flamethrower is probably bigger, I am fairly sure I should be able to at least get very close to the item if not reach it if you all pushed me.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

April 04 2012 04:58 GMT

#827

On April 04 2012 13:57 syllogism wrote:
Morning. If I see someone mentioning even once that I "wasted my push", I'm going be quite upset. Cephiro you are even a +2 GMT person and you are still pushing that drivel, what gives?

I want to get you killed. That gives.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

April 04 2012 05:01 GMT

#830

On April 04 2012 13:59 syllogism wrote:
Yes, you have been wanting that since the game began

Nope, that is false. Only since risk.nuke's Cop claim and your reaction to it. And especially now that Sbrubbles is dead, I know for 100% certainty that you are Evil. The only possible way that is not the case is if the Evil Toys have a framer (highly unlikely?), or risk.nuke fakeclaimed (doesn't seem very likely either?). So that leaves me the option of getting you killed.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

April 04 2012 05:02 GMT

#834

On April 04 2012 14:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
What I'm wondering right now is whether it's better to trust you and push you toward the item or push someone I think is scum.

First of all, you aren't confirmed town until you die. (if syllo flips scum it's actually still remotely possible you're scum as well, though I find that extraordinarily unlikely). As syllo hasn't flipped yet, what I'd rather do is kill syllo first, then determine whether or not you're trustworthy.

Problem with this?

I know I am not confirmed town, even if I managed to get syllo killed. I have no problem with this, however if I get enough support I would like you to consider twice about helping me in my plan. That way you will be able to use your pulls on another scum.