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On April 03 2012 07:07 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I am going to bed. RL > mafia. Hope this plan works, guys and sorry I can't help pull VE back out of the fire.
I looked if there's anything to spend my pull on and I don't see anything, so unless I can give my pull to someone else to help get VE back down I'll just
##wait
You could always pull sbrubbles or syllo, since we do still have a chance at getting one of them instakilled.
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On April 03 2012 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
In fact, in Nemesis is town, his pulls are probably twice as strong too..we may just need his pull to get us clear. Obviously I wouldn't mind one or two buffer pulls, but I'd rather be one in the safe and be able to kill someone with those pulls.
I think it might be smarter if Nemesis is around if we get one more push on you, so that we could do X's push, my push, you take Palmar, and Nemesis pulls you out. And I could still use my pull as a buffer, or then to try and get someone killed.
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Well, in the meanwhile as we wait for one more VE-push to appear, what do you think about the possible pull-lynch?
Syllo or sbrubbles? I don't really like the play of either, it's hard to say from sbrubbles since he hasn't posted almost anything, and hasn't responded to my questions yet either. I don't really get a very towny-vibe from syllo though, and since I am fairly sure that risk's claim is true, I know that one, or even both of them are Evil.
Opinions?
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On April 03 2012 07:26 Acrofales wrote:
No. I disagree with both lynches atm. The case on Syllo seems to be just meta and I don't know him long enough to say anything. In GoT mafia he was disinterested and played a similar style, but he was town there (of course, he was a hydra with Sandroba, so not a very good read). The case for Sbrubbles was that he's a lurker and hasn't done anything useful. He seems to be back and posting more actively.
I don't like Cephiro's tone, but that's not enough to lynch him over yet.
If risk's claim is true then one of syllo, sbrubbles and cephiro is scum, but atm I don't know enough to decide. I am also unsure of believing risk atm, so I'd rather wait than mislynch.
G'night.
PS. At the top of the queue I have clearer reads, but I already used my push.
Thank you for kindly strengthening my read on you. 
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On April 03 2012 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh, it kinda goes without saying that if we pull this off and save Palmar, everyone better be onboard with killing that dude tomorrow if he doesn't make with the contribution after all the effort. Just sayin.
EBWOP: Totally agree. And I certainly don't want Palmar to be the person that goes for the item tomorrow if he lives. I hope he starts putting some actual effort in this game if he is as town as he claims to be.
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On April 03 2012 07:35 Nemesis wrote:
Also, if I got it right either sbrubbles or syllogism is scum from risk.nuke's dt check? If so, I'll be reading over their posts soon.
In theory it is possible that I am scum, but I assure you I am not. From my perspective, at least one of sbrubbles or syllogism is scum, but there is a chance that both of them are.
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Still waiting for someone to come up with a push on you, and for people to tell their opinions about today's pull-lynch possibility. It should be even possible to get a push-lynch on top of that.
If we have enough pushes after the rescue mission (which hopefully will succeed), I'd suggest for cascades to be pushed into the flames.
For the pull I stand by what I said earlier, I know that syllo or sbrubbles, or even both of them are scum, so I am fine with either. If one flips town, I know the other is scum for sure. (Well, there is a possibility that risk.nuke fakeclaimed, but in my opinion that is extremely unlikely.)
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On April 03 2012 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why do people want you dead Ceph? I'd go back and look, but I'd like to know your take on it.
Well, I don't know if there are that many persons that would want me dead, but I would assume if someone would want to kill me, then these would be possible reasons:
1) My strong stance against Palmar getting the item, even threatening to kill him if someone pushes him on the item.
2) I am playing well and the Evil Toys are starting to get afraid I might get something done.
3) I am playing horribly and Evil Toys are trying to get a mislynch on a bad townie.
4) People believe for whatever reason that out of Sbrubbles, syllogism and me, I am the most likely mafia player.
5) I have not claimed nor showed use of any kind of abilities yet.
That's all I come up with for now. If I would have to guess, my strong stance against Palmar getting the item is one of the most likely reasons. But as said before, I had my reasons to doubt his town-ness, and I did not like at all how some persons were just ready to give him extra power based on his play up to that point.
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On April 03 2012 08:09 prplhz wrote:
Do you still need help with the pony-plan by the way?
Also, Cephiro helping out with the plan isn't a town tell at all. Scum would probably love to throw their votes away at something that is protown and that will definitely be done anyway. They'd probably flock to be the first to do it.
Since, according to risk.nuke at least one of syllogism, Sbrubbles and Cephiro is scum, why don't we just lynch all of them? It's a 3:1 balanced game and lynching all of them would give us at worst 2 town and 1 scum which would skewer the game in our favor, although it would be 3:1 lost with the night kill. I definitely think we should lynch into the list. I'd like to lynch Cephiro.
Yes we need help with the pony plan. Please push VE once. Also, I have at no point said that helping with the plan would make me any more town than anyone else. If you haven't noticed, I've been decently careful with the whole idea, but at the moment I believe it is the right thing to support.
I am interested to hear why you would like to lynch me before syllo or Sbrubbles. And please don't give me a reason such as "You're 1 spot closer."
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On April 03 2012 08:15 prplhz wrote:
Hey Cephiro I think you were being irrationally afraid of Palmar getting the item, I had a really hard time following that train of thought. Can you tell me again in a couple of sentences why you were so opposed to it?
Yes, it looks indeed that he might be town after all. Or at least he does look better than he did earlier, but I do certainly not trust him yet. If you read my earlier post, I base my reasoning mostly on the fact that Palmar's play was certainly nowhere near pro-town enough that he should be given the item. His interest in only getting the item, and certain persons vouching for him to get the item without hesitation awoke my suspicions.
If you check his filter, you can see that he hasn't really done anything for the town. And now we're here saving his ass from trouble regardless. With my gambit, I wanted people to pull their heads out of their ass and start thinking for a moment for worser scenarios instead of just going with the "Palmar gets the item and he shall save us allll". One more thing that made me even more opposed was the fact that Palmar did not respond to any of my questions, nor communicate with me in any way despite my tries, and yet he did at the same time with other persons.
Just because you're a vet doesn't mean you should ignore the newer players. (Okay, this is getting slightly offtopic.)
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On April 03 2012 08:20 Nemesis wrote:
how many more pushes do we need, can we save palmar right now if prp helps?
If prp pushes, then I push, then VE picks up Palmar, and you pull VE, we should have them both safe. I am however waiting for prp still...
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I've just got to say, no buddying intended but I love how wbg pointed out prplhz's slightly contradictory posting. Way to go painting me scummy for something you've pretty much done yourself?
@prplhz: Take the time you need to respond to others, but could you please just push VE already so we can get this rescue over with, or would you rather see Palmar die?
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So, you want to do it officially or do you have a hidden PoP-abillity?
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Definitely, I normally like prefer being safe than sorry. I wonder what's about to happen...
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On April 03 2012 08:50 Tobon wrote:
4:10 until day ends, right?
Yes, fairly sure that's the case.
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On April 03 2012 08:48 Sbrubbles wrote:
Cephiro, aside from you trying to get me killed (though unlike syllo, at least you tried talking before using your PoP), I can't fault your play too much. You're mostly null to me, though you have your scum points. At the beginning of the game I would agree on your stance on getting Palmar the item, in that the items are so much more useful in the hands of scum that it isn't worth a 3/4 chance of town getting it.
But after he got close (before he was frozen), he just couldn't complete his task, which would be easy with a scum buddy, so I think he could be read as town. Threatening to off him is terrible play from a town perspective. It would lead the town in a bad direction (you'd be lynched if he turned green) and sounds like blackmail above all. That is scummish in my book.
Also, your overall agressiveness on Palmar seems a bit forced. Based solely on posting it's hard to argue he is anything.
Good post overall, I hope you'll be contributing more soon.
I'd like to clarify a few things though. I did not threaten to kill Palmar after he was frozen, I did it before.
As you can notice, since then I have been pretty much in favour of rescuing him with the help of VE, although I have admittingly not used my PoP yet, but that's for a good reason.
As I admit earlier, I may have come out slightly too aggressive-looking, but at that point I was convinced there should be absolutely no reason why I should let Palmar get the item, and he looked very scummy to me. He is by no means confirmed town to me after his frozed-ness, but at the moment I believe that it is for the best of town to get him rescued out of there. Maybe he'll even start contributing something.
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Lol, couldn't come up with a better response after thinking that long?
I guess I'll give a heads-up too. VE, say the word and I'll push right after I read your post.
So prp, you think I'm scummy because I did not want Palmar to gain the item. However, as wbg pointed out, you didn't want that yourself either. Admittingly, I've been much more vocal about myself being against it, but really?
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##Push VisceraEyes
Here we go!
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On April 03 2012 09:10 prplhz wrote:
CONTEXT
No, I don't think you were scummy because you did not want Palmar getting the item. I think you were scummy because you seemed afraid of him getting the item. I didn't want him to get the item because I was afraid of putting him into the red zone because scum could have hidden powers. Why were you convinved of anything by a guy whose arguments were "rofl" and "roflx2"?
I'm not eager to throw my vote away. I'd rather use it to pull you towards the edge but more than anything I want Palmar and VisceraEyes alive. I'd rather some people I trust to be town use their PoPs on it but I'll help out because I want it to happen and I can't stay around until deadline.
I love how you keep dodging the question wbg points at you, just trying to focus on me. And the only thing that you have on me is that I seemed "afraid" of Palmar getting the item. Very convincing.
Why do you think wbg has convinced me? He brought up a very good point which I do agree with. That doesn't mean he has me in a leash or anything of the sort. In all honesty, you are digging your own grave with every new post you make. Do you honestly want to look what this looks like to me?
It looks like you're trying to divert the attention from your scumbuddy syllogism to a townie mislynch.
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Gogogo Nemesis, use your strong powers to pull him into safety!
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