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@cephiro
The thing is that Palmar has given us next to nothing to indicate one alignment over the other and killing him because you "do not trust him" is not justifiable.
I am not suggesting we lynch wiggles, but i would like to know why VE and Palmar have suggested that.
what has cascades done to make you want to lynch him?
Nemesis:
Do you really think that this was anything other than a throwaway Pop that does nothing to help town?
+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2012 12:01 Nemesis wrote:Time to actually give out my scumreads so far: Right now I'm looking at Tobon. First thing he does is proposing the secondary voting system. While that by itself is not really scummy even though I disagree with it, his next posts I find are rather bad. Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 23:45 Tobon wrote:On April 01 2012 19:50 Palmar wrote:
just remember to reverse your action because apparently I'm some weird toy that gets pulled when pushed, and pushed while pulled. Nothing is for sure here, but in DFM1, this was the power of the evil Mirror Toy, who could also reverse ends of the entire queue once per game. So (a) be aware that the queue flipping power probably exists, and also (b) I'd be a a bit suspicious of Palmar, although I doubt Ace would make it so easy for us by repeating scum roles. Note how he takes an extremely neutral stance here. He finds Palmar suspicious for his role which is similar to a role in the previous game, but then he adds that it is unlikely that Ace would give scum the same roles. This sounds to me like a scum trying to put suspicion onto someone while avoiding responsibility for it. Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 02:54 Tobon wrote:
So cascade's pull happened. Palmar's role is confirmed, although his alignment is still unknown. Again he stresses how we don't know Palmar's alignment. ##Push: TobonAlso, it's been almost 24 hours and risk.nuke and Sbrubbles have not posted at all. :/ If they don't post anytime soon, I'm all for lynching them too.
Here he completely misrepresents wiggles to achieve _______
+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2012 12:15 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 13:43 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Well, let's get this started. I think we should try our best not to wind each other up this game.
Let's try not to throw our pushes and pulls around too liberally, or at least not anymore than we have to if we can. That means that we don't end up wasting a whole bunch of pushes and pulls that have the net effect of cancelling each other out because people disagree.
Though it's tempting, I don't think we should kill more than a couple people each day, barring anyone basically claiming scum. The last game ended with a whole bunch of people dying on day 2, so based on the probability of queue altering abilities, we should probably pull townie looking people, or people we don't want to die forward a little. Maybe keep them towards the middle of the queue, in case there's some kind of queue flipper.
What do you guys think about the item? Partway through day 1, we can decide on one person who we want to get it, and then who we want to push them and pull them back. The thing is, the people who do that have their voting powers nullified, so we need to decide on who would be best to do it to, and keep it organized, so no one "accidentally" goes off the queue.
I'm going to bed now. Feel free to post a lot while I'm sleeping. Don't toy with me. In here, you suggest taking the item. Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 08:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
VE, BM, why do you think Palmar is a good candidate for getting the item? He hasn't done anything to show that he's town this game, and his only post is asking for the item. Considering many of the items can be good for scum as well as town, why do you want to pull him to the item with no reassurance that he's town? Why are you so quick to trust him? While when people were pushing Palmar to take the item, you are against it? Would you rather someone else took the item then? What kind of person are you looking for to take the item then? People just chose palmar because he was the closest to it(so we waste less PoP) and he volunteered. Anyways I'm off for now, nighty night.
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But VE, after WBG made that mistake both you and i corrected it before wiggles even posted. Why would he point it out again?
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On April 03 2012 04:01 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 03:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Syllo, are you factoring in the capability for a well-manipulated town to be mass-murdered? It seems to me that in circumstances like that, having a higher DT count would help balance against that sort of manipulation. But mafia only has one standard KP, so "confirming" several players at once on day 1 seems ridiculously powerful
It sounds like it Bm's claim is based upon this
+ Show Spoiler +Captain Commando toy - you may once per game send out a latch and cling to a player's queue. However if you attempt to swing by or latch on to a queue occupied by opposing forces they will kick your latch off and you will fall to the floor. You will not be able to push/pull until the next day when HJD comes back to pick you up off the floor. This also makes you immune to night hits. The greater the distance of your latch the higher the chances of it breaking by itself. probably too broken 
So maybe it is not that broken.
+ if he tries to move past scum then we will instead get a list of several players, with at least 1 scum in it. Until BM flips we cannot be sure of his role either.
by my count we have 13 pulls and 12 pushes.
we need to move palmar
we need to uses risks ability
we probably need to kill somebody (i ##vote Nemesis)
On April 03 2012 04:04 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 04:03 layabout wrote:
But VE, after WBG made that mistake both you and i corrected it before wiggles even posted. Why would he point it out again? What I'm saying is that he would have corrected it before we did...he had posted, and he reads the thread.
If you look at the times though...
Bugs posts at 07:17 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14163806
You correct at 07:27 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14163934
I correct at 07:33 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14164010
Wiggles 1st post after mistake at 08:18 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14164379
His last post before mistake at 01:56 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14161192
Am i missing something here?
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On April 03 2012 04:52 Cephiro wrote:VE, I think I know your role, but are you sure that will be safe enough? You could still be pushed back very easily. I am ready to co-operate for the rescue mission if enough people agree though, but I hope you've made sure that there are no unclarities in your plan. Also, browsing through filters and the thread, this stuck in my eye: He has however used none. Would you care to clarify layabout?
I cannot PoP
save Palmar
+ Show Spoiler +i will be back later but for now Game of thrones is on
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I do not have the power to PoP at all.
Preferably I would kill nemesis. Failing that i would kill one of syllo/sbrub (i am not sure of all the facts but don't we have a check that one of them is scum? ) then Bluelightz. I think BM is town but i also think we might need to flip him, so maybe BM.
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On April 03 2012 06:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 06:34 layabout wrote:
##tell acro to push VE after he uses his pony powers on Palmar Acro has I think...
Hmm?
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lol
On April 03 2012 06:39 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 06:35 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 03 2012 06:34 layabout wrote:
##tell acro to pull VE after he uses his pony powers on Palmar Acro has I think... Hmm?
After that's done there will not be many Pop's left. Will we even be able to kill Bluelightz? He is sitting at spot number 10 so i am guessing not. Maybe you can figure out who risks alarm is telling us to kill.
I also think that this turn of events has highlighted the need for us to adopt a secondary voting system of sorts to help us sort all of this stuff out, but we should do that during the night.
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Tomorrow we should vote for who we want to kill and when enough people want to kill a player to be able to lynch them then we pull them off of the bottom or send them into the fire. Killing people on the top of the queue will be more difficult because we will have to deal with the item or risk leaving them in the fire where they could be affected by hidden powers. We also know that someone (scum) had and might still have the power to do a hidden push of 2 at the end of the day.
Bluelightz if you actually use that power we should lynch you.
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why did risk nuke lie about the red light belonging to him?
and why did risk nuke not bother to explain his ability?
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On April 04 2012 06:17 Tobon wrote:
@layabout: while we are asking questions, why should we not conclude that your claimed inability to use PoPs is actually a lie to cover for being able to do hidden pushes, like the one that killed VE?
because concluding that would be fucking dumb
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Bugs give me all you got within the next 20 minutes!
Find the Mafia:
cephiro
syllo
sbrub
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i would like to hear you thoughts,
if not now then i will have to wait another 18 hours
by then something stupid and distracting will probably have happened
i also have to sleep
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Why on earth has Bluelightz received more PoP's than syllo?
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It appears that Bill Murray thinks that the only way to kill somebody is to push them off the end.
Thus by pulling snarfs he intends to bring him to safety.
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Given what we know, we should kill syllo. Between syllo and ceph we have at least a 50/50 chance of hitting mafia, if risk is being truthful and there are no millers.
Of the two cephiro appears to be town because of ________yawn________
Syllogism does not appear to be scumhunting, but has spent time and effort doing "other stuff"
Yet i see a number of pulls have been used on Bluelightz, before i have even had a chance to read the thread.
It looks like this is going to end up like yesterday...
I am not roleclaiming so suck it.
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WBG i am not defending Bill Murray, your smart, you know that.
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Right, so anybody that can push Cephrio now should.
Bluelightz i would like you to explain your ability (in your own words we must not break any rules) in full and tell us your thought process behind using it today.
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On April 05 2012 04:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
By talking for him, what are you doing? All we've proved is that he isn't reading the thread and thus is as good a kill as anyone else.
In addition, you have nothing to lose by confirming that you have no PoP power by trying to pull Bluelightz and push syllo or Cephiro.
Again, care to explain why we shouldn't pull blue when you said yesterday if he uses his power he should be killed?
What if Bluelightz didn't read the "don't use that anti town power you nitwit" comments?
He didn't post during the night after any of them. So it is possible that he believed that it was correct to use his power to confirm his ability.
It wouldn't hurt to hear his explanation for his actions before we kill him.
Saying that, there is no excuse for his actions. He should must die!
I didn't talk for Bill Murray. Several people (like you) called him scum for pulling snarfs. But his posts suggest that he thought it would be sending snarfs to safety. Ecuse me for poitning out that some other people were hastily jumping to conclusions and spamming posts to _________*
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