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On April 03 2012 09:32 Snarfs wrote: @Nemesis: Are your pulls supposed to move people 3 spaces as opposed to 2? Sorry if I missed this but I just want to confirm that this wasn't a counting error and/or some other effects are working here. No, only 2 spaces. I have no idea how he got moved 3 spaces. | ||
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As for the other two, I'm a bit unsure, but I'm leaning towards sbrubbles being more likely to be scum due to lurking and trying to put suspicion onto syllogism and cephiro. Right now, I still think that Tobon is scum. I'll summarize my case against him later as I have to go for now. | ||
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- tries to non-commitally throw suspicion on Palmar On April 01 2012 23:45 Tobon wrote: Nothing is for sure here, but in DFM1, this was the power of the evil Mirror Toy, who could also reverse ends of the entire queue once per game. So (a) be aware that the queue flipping power probably exists, and also (b) I'd be a a bit suspicious of Palmar, although I doubt Ace would make it so easy for us by repeating scum roles. He keeps trying to emphasize that we don't know Palmar's alignment and that he could be evil based on his role as it was an evil role last game, but doesn't outright say it. -OMGUS + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2012 13:52 Tobon wrote: Already explained that I wasn't suggesting it, I was bringing it up to start discussion. In the same sentence that I "proposed" it, I also said that it failed to go anywhere. Just overly wordy on my part. The important point is that Palmar very likely has the entire queue flip once-per-game power. Yeah, so? I'd shrug and chalk this up to pressure except for the push. The push was completely wasteful. There's no feeling I've noticed on anyone else's part that I might be scum, so why would you throw away your push with more than 24 hours to go? Shouldn't you be trying to build a case or convince other people, while seeing what other people do as well, and then use your PoPs more productively nearer the deadline? As it is, this really comes across as an excuse to use up your push so you won't be responsible for going against majority town's choice when it comes. FoS: Nemesis. When I try and get him lynched, he pulls an OMGUS. - Role fishing and not scumhunting He seems to be role fishing a lot, he seems to be extremely focused on figuring out people's role. For example with Palmar's role, with risk.nuke's role, with my role, and keeps saying that people who keep their roles secret are scummy. On April 03 2012 02:15 Tobon wrote: Okay, so Acro is NOT double wide. Which means that Nemesis is double strong or something after all (or I guess I could have some sort of super light and easy to push role - but that's not me). I was already suspicious of Nemesis, but how could him not explaining his push possibly be pro-town? I'd like to see Nemesis lynched. I can't push him myself, and I can't push Palmar out of the fire either. Both of those would be what we'd need to do if we want to go that direction. Meanwhile, still very interested in pulling syllogism or sbrubbles down and out of risk's range. Any objections or volunteers to pull sbrubbles? Why was there a need to explain my power at that point of the game? Blindly roleclaiming without any purpose is just stupid and gives scum more information to work with so they can figure out who to kill during the night. He just seem to be really focused on rolefishing which does not help town in any way. This also contradicts his previous post, which says that scum or town would have explained his power. His posts look quite bad. On April 02 2012 13:59 Tobon wrote: Seems unlikely, scum or town, wouldn't Nemesis have mentioned what was about to happen when it's his own action doing it? Anyway, @VE: did you expect something interesting to happen with your "Hold on a second." push of Bluelightz, or are you that sure of your scum vote already? You and Bugs using up PoPs so early in the day bothers me, although at least there's been discussion on the target of them. - extreme neutrality on his posts Take a look at his posts considering palmar, including the one above: On April 02 2012 23:52 Tobon wrote: I don't think Palmar is scum, I think it doesn't matter whether he is or not right now, if his survival is tied to using his ability in a town-positive way. And BM's claimed role is identical to one of the toys in game 1, so I don't find it too unlikely. I agree with all this. I'm not liking Cascades' post and pull either. However, pushing him is still a bad idea right now. Because of the two-toys-fill-a-row bumping mechanic, the more spread out we toys get the more pushes it takes to get anyone into the fire zone. The worst thing we can do as good toys is to end up almost killing several suspects instead of making sure to get one or two. Note how he says he is suspicious of cascades but is not willing to lynch him. In summary, he seems to take a non-commital stance on a lot of things, and is also blatantly rolefishing. Since when does rolefishing benefit town? It doesn't, it only benefits scum. Also, when pressured he pulls an OMGUS. I'd really like to get Tobon lynched tomorrow. | ||
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On April 04 2012 06:17 Tobon wrote: @layabout: while we are asking questions, why should we not conclude that your claimed inability to use PoPs is actually a lie to cover for being able to do hidden pushes, like the one that killed VE? Oh look another rolefish attempt | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/u8rMM.jpg) ##Smash! Tobon You're going down Tobon, you scum! | ||
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On April 04 2012 13:11 Cephiro wrote: My analysis coming up soon. Syllo is confirmed scum from my POV now. Nemesis, if that's a day-vig, I sure hope for your sake that you're ready to take the consequences if you fail. It's not a day-vigi. It's a one time power that allows me to move one person 3 positions upward towards the fire. Also with that, I think syllogism is probably scum. I have town read on cephiro, so syllogism is probably scum. It's late for me right now, I'll gather my thoughts tomorrow. | ||
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On April 05 2012 02:13 wherebugsgo wrote: Yo nemesis, why did you hulk smash Tobon so early? Why didn't you wait to discuss it? At this point I lean scum on Tobon but he's lower on the list of "needs to flip" than, for example, syllo or Bluelightz. Flipping all 3 could be a dangerous proposition. I say we continue pulling Bluelightz and we decide soon whether to push Cephiro or push someone like Tobon. There's also a strong chance we could push both, but then the question remains of whether to push Cephiro first or kill Tobon first. Because it makes it easier to push him and actually makes him a real lynch candidate as very few people seem to be looking at him. I'm pretty sure he's scum at this point as the only thing that he has really done this game is rolefish. | ||
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If we do, I'd like to use my push early before anyone else, because my push might make him skip over the item. | ||
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So Tobon's ability reset everyone to their starting position? Looks like I will have to reevaluate my read on Tobon. Tobon is probably town then, but really you need to post a lot better. We still need to kill syllogism, what's the plan for now? | ||
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With Tobon out of my scumlist, I'm leaning towards prp, wiggles, bluelightz and cascades scumteam now. Prp has been pretty much defending syllogism for quite a while now. Wiggles has also been lurking quite a bit. Plus VE pointed out that his play seems off. And this day phase, he was trying to speculate at the night kill to get us to think that syllogism is not scum. cascades has pretty much been lurking, and the few posts he has are pretty much filled with fluff. Bluelightz is pretty much the same. Plus bluelightz use of his ability is pretty anti-town. | ||
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On April 05 2012 11:56 Mattchew wrote: Here are my thoughts. Cephiro is 100% town in my eyes. I do disagree with him about syllo and acro. I get scum vibes from prp and cascades for sure though. I hate trying to figure out bluelightz. In all honesty he is a permanent null read because he seems to always be scum's go to townie lynch. Bill Murray is scum IMO. Tobon is probably scum anyone have any clue as to what the conveyor belt thing looks like after todays actions so far? so are you saying that Tobon is lying about his ability? And if you don't think syllo is scum and cephiro is town, are you saying that risk.nuke lied about the dt check and is scum? | ||
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##Pull: bluelightz We'll worry about what to do later, but the two of them needs to die today. I'm off to sleep now. | ||
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Although yes, we shouldn't expect much out of him in terms of being helpful. But he is lurking and from what I've seen he likes to lurk a lot as scum. Here are his scum games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321159&user=256428 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=235418 Town game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315210&user=235418 Notice that in his town game he is at least giving us his reads, while in his scum games he pretty much just says useless stuff. I don't see him giving out his reads this game, and so there is a good chance that bluelightz is scum this game. | ||
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