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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 02 2012 02:07 GMT
#266
VE I understand what you're doing, but everyone has a role this game
Me creating myself as a townie? Oh well, I'm looking to scumhunt anyways. Creating 2 town in the process if I get mislynched or killed is gravy on the potatoes.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 02 2012 03:25 GMT
#273
On April 02 2012 11:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 11:07 Bill Murray wrote:
VE I understand what you're doing, but everyone has a role this game
Me creating myself as a townie? Oh well, I'm looking to scumhunt anyways. Creating 2 town in the process if I get mislynched or killed is gravy on the potatoes.


Got any leads you want to discuss rather than try and alter my playstyle? How do you feel about a Bluelightz lynch? Who else is pinging the ol' scumdar?

bluelightz looked really bad, but i'm not worried about him in the slightest
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 02 2012 04:16 GMT
#282
yeah, what, VE?
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 02 2012 04:16 GMT
#283
I feel like I'm going in circles this game
at least I have provided WBG with a townread on VE and snarfs, because I know he believes me
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 02 2012 08:08 GMT
#311
On April 02 2012 15:49 syllogism wrote:
Also I'm reconsidering whether I believe BM's claim. He says he can move up to 3 spots up or down on the belt... rungs if you will, yes. and thus potentially day dt check 5 people possibly more, i didn't check the maximum number, because that would be inefficient if someone was scum and prevented me from moving anywhere. It seems like a way too powerful ability with huge variance. it does have a huge variance, and it is a powerful ability, as it can be used like a daytime cop ability. it is one time use, however, so i am essentially a vanilla townie now He also claims he had to "go through snarf", snarf was to the left of me, which would logically be the way it would be going upwards to latch onto VE, whereas if i went right, or down, I wouldn't check snarf, no when in reality he started next to him, which seems like an inconsistency in the claim. it's not an inconsistency. Look at how you write on a piece of paper. Then he proceeds to claim that it's a one-time use ability, It is a one time use ability. thus providing an explanation for the possibility that he won't get killed or roleblocked later on. I won't get roleblocked later on, but if scum are smart, they will still look to kill me. I am also fine with dying, as it will clear 2 town in snarf and VE. I'm not sure what his motivation for moving is if he is scum, but I can imagine a number of possibilities for a role that, as he says, "latches on to" another player. and I can imagine a giant spaghetti monster, but that doesn't mean it exists.


my responses italicized
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 02 2012 17:49 GMT
#384
so one of sylllogism or cephiro are scum if he used his ability towards the bottom
if he used it the other way, it would be a false positive, as there is only 1 person on the rung above him, and syllogism wouldn't count (he's to the right, and therefore counts upwards, i believe)
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 02 2012 17:50 GMT
#385
/nevermind
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 02 2012 17:53 GMT
#387
claim the next palmar pull (will put him at the item) before making it, and make sure someone is around to push him back
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 02 2012 18:13 GMT
#392
If Palmar uses his ability, I'm pushing Cephiro

just sayin'
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 03 2012 03:41 GMT
#696
when is the deadline?
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 03 2012 05:09 GMT
#711
sigh
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 04 2012 10:57 GMT
#903
On April 04 2012 07:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
*with BM's roleclaim

Apologies, on my phone and it took forever to type that all twice

THAT WAS A PHONE POST?
Bravo
Nominated for best phonepost ever.

I'm trying to find where I need to be reading from, guys.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 04 2012 11:02 GMT
#905
On April 03 2012 14:59 syllogism wrote:
And I've made it quite clear why it is unlikely for BM's role to be in the game, and thus he is lying, especially if risk's more believable came is true

this post is pretty relevant
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 04 2012 11:04 GMT
#906
On April 03 2012 15:49 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 15:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
On April 03 2012 14:58 syllogism wrote:
On April 03 2012 14:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
in addition, you haven't explained why you were against random/free for all PoPing but you were the only one who decided to push BM. Indeed, you didn't even bother convincing anyone to push BM and were generally apathetic all day to town affairs.

Why is it that you were against random/free for all PoPing early in the day, but chose to push someone who clearly was not supported by anyone else as a target (BM)?

Because I had only little time and no one was actually willing to discuss who they would be willing to push? Only VE answered my inquiries, while the others were just talking about irrelevant things. As I pointed out very early, the "lynch" deadline is about 7+ hours too late for me.


you certainly didn't seem to want to put any effort in trying to discuss those subjects.

Indeed your justification for BM's roleclaim being weak was refuted by VE himself, if I remember correctly.

And no, it wasn't refuted by VE; in fact, I convinced him. It can not be "refuted" by anyone other than Ace and it's quite suspicious that few people are agreeing with me given that the logic behind my skepticism is sound. Now that I think about it, BM said he latched on to VE, so it's possible that he is responsible for getting VE killed.

correlation=/=causation
get your facts straight
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 04 2012 11:06 GMT
#907
On April 03 2012 17:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 15:47 syllogism wrote:
On April 03 2012 15:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm not misinterpreting anything you said. You didn't really consider at all that Cephiro could be scum; you took one thing he said and claimed it made him look town, and based on that one piece of evidence decided that Sbrabbles was the scum. From your perspective I think it would have taken a little bit more work than that to determine which player to pull. Indeed, you didn't justify your pull on Sbrabbles beyond that. It seemed like you didn't think about it very much, which is rather odd since PoPs are final.

Are you scum wbg? Why do you attempt to know what thought process went into my decision? Why don't you find it odd that many people used/wasted their PoPs very early and attempt to make it look like me using my own PoPs at pretty much the last possible moment, given my local time, is suspicious? I made the reasonable assumption that risk is indeed the dt role he claims to be, as it's a very risky fake claim to do on day 1, especially with the possibility of the "real one" being out there. That left me with two targets for my pull and out of those sbrabbles was the obvious choice given that some of the things cephiro had posted looked town to me.

My first thought was that scum had a hidden push power. You seem to have jumped to a more complex conclusion than that.

....no.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 04 2012 11:13 GMT
#909
On April 04 2012 14:38 Snarfs wrote:
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On April 04 2012 14:35 Cephiro wrote:
On April 04 2012 14:33 prplhz wrote:
Okay why is nobody talking about confirmed scum Bluelightz? I say we all pull him.

I'm not opposed to killing Tobon either but I don't think he's as safe as Bluelightz and syllogism.

Of syllogism and Cephiro I'm up for killing syllogism first. I don't like the weird Cephiro-item plan, similar plan went horribly wrong yesterday and we don't know what other powers that scum might have. Lets just pull Bluelightz and push syllogism.

Other than that, I think that the lights-out scum ability was not only to cause chaos in conjunction with Bluelightz role (I imagine we could see the potentially booby trapped positions if there were lights?), but also to make risk.nuke's DT ability useless for today. I still believe in risk.nuke's role claim.


How is Bluelightz confirmed scum?

I believe prplhz is referring to this:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 03:01 prplhz wrote:
I really doubt that Bluelightz is scum. I didn't think so before the claim and his outbursts in face of the scrutiny he was under during his absence seem genuine and townlike. Furthermore, that claim doesn't do him any good since he's claiming a scum role, the only thing the claim actually does is make sure that he can never use his power without getting lynched so the claim makes little sense from scum perspective.

I just can't get over why Ace and Kurumi would give a scum role to a townie but as long as it isn't overpowered then I don't care.


I disagree with this. How is it different from a mad hatter? It's a version of a vig, and with him getting some knowledge of it, it fits with the flavor in my eyes. I don't feel like Bluelightz is any more likely to be scum with his claim.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 04 2012 11:18 GMT
#914
On April 04 2012 15:00 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 14:55 prplhz wrote:
Cephiro, yes, you are tunneling. I don't really care if you're tunneling town (me) or scum (syllogism), it's still annoying for town and I'm not really worried about scum using a power to get you killed.


1. If you read my filter, you can see I am "tunneling" on cascades and Mattchew as well. I am sorry, I must have misunderstood what tunnelling means, all this time I've been thinking it is senseless accusing of one certain person only. Care to clarify this for me?

2. If you are town, why would you NOT CARE if someone is tunneling in your opinion, as it can be harmful for town? If you think I am town, why are you not worried about scum using a power to kill me?

in response to 2, it can be bad in LYLO if a green townie spotlights, and won't come off of a vote, but when they do it on the actual scumteam, with good logic, that is a beautiful sight to see.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 04 2012 11:24 GMT
#915
On April 04 2012 15:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm actually curious to see what other players say first. There is plenty of time in the day and there's no rush.

I'd like to use time to get more reads, rather than idly talk about things we've already been talking about.

risk.nuke, layabout, Wiggles, Mattchew, and Bill Murray: I want you to do the bulk of the talking. Go. Tell us what you would like to do right now and who you would like to kill.

Syllogism - I want to test Cephiro's hard-softclaim. He isn't outright claiming any investigative ability, whether, if he has it or not, it is multiple or single use, or anything, but his softclaim was as close to a guilty claim as I have seen in a long time. I don't want to not test that.
PRP - Like syllo, I feel like his interactions with WBG, and the way he responded to the Cephiro ordeal, is pretty damning. I am willing to lynch him off of associative tells, but I'd like to flip syllo first.

Tobon - Though he has been looking better, with his defense being "noone has made a case on me, therefore I can't be scum", and all the flak he has gotten, he has my eyebrows raised.

Bluelightz - I really wouldn't mind losing him, even if he is town. He is not a VI, I don't think, so I feel like he is playing dumb as scum. I am not sure, however, that he isn't a little kid that wanders, lost, into the middle of the movie theatre... but with an AK.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 04 2012 11:37 GMT
#917
Either way we need to get the above four out of here. I would want to wait until the lights come back on, and I'm kind of scared to do anything due to VE dying...

If your interaction with syllo wasn't completely 100% scummy, I would feel like you were town WBG. I do have a leaned townread on you, but it's not 100% like I felt about Palmar, because you could potentially be throwing syllogism under the bus. I only say this because your questioning of him felt too good, to where it looked like an act. If you're really that good, and that was the building up, and prelude of a great case, bravo.

We haven't been using our PoPs correctly. Now, I'm not a dictator, as I'm not confirmed or anything like an innocent child (definitely not bluelightz lol), so I'm not going to boss people around in a "Soviet Russia make you push or pull like want" way, only sort of. We need to hold people accountable, loosen up, and ask people questions. Scum will eventually become illogical... it wears on you being scum. Here's to hoping so, at least.

reasons you should believe I'm town:
1) I actually want our next course of action to be to consolidate pushes or pulls around what Snarf wants to do, but I know the thread won't go for it, and would lash out against me, so I'm not touching it with a ten-foot-pole.
2) proposing someone else leads versus myself... kind of having second thoughts on that, though
3) personal meta of lack of night posting, whereas, as scum, i'd post in the night /wifom

Honestly, though, I can't really be sure snarfs is town...
1) Godfather
2) I could be naive
3) Snarfs has a Lawyer, possibly Qatol
4) I could be ... no, VE flipped town... I can't be insane... not in the game at least :D
...A role changing ability, or busdriver


only the first two are valid, where my ability was day use
However, I feel comfortable leading myself, if you all aren't satisfied listening to Snarfs.
I'm not saying to not scumhunt, and to turn into sheep. I'm just saying that people are really looking to be prone to wasting their pushes and pulls without any sense of order, which allows for scum to blend in, and that should be our first mission as a town to prevent
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 04 2012 18:02 GMT
#977
I'm back on 47, but I want to remark on something Wiggles said. I, personally, would be mad if someone claimed the Palmar hit. SBrubbles, however, looked pretty scummy
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