Mr Z. You have now forced town to lynch someone whose death will give town absolutely no information. You also claimed SU, the faction with the least people left alive. All this harms town, added to this you did this dumb gambit whilst you are a town power role,You are probably going to be shot, which sucks as we've already lost are other medic.

Gratz.

##Unvote
##Vote cccalf

slOosh

3291 Posts

March 31 2012 20:58 GMT

#847

(I've been busy johnny - I post when I can)

As for MrZentor and how people are responding to him:
... Are you f'ing serious?

He spends the whole day trolling to "elicit" some responses, of which the only one of any "substance" if you can even remotely call it that is on Nemesis, and he doesn't even use it to push him but instead decides to vote cccalf.
The large post he has is merely commentary - they aren't even proper reads - see how many are null / neutral:

On April 01 2012 00:57 MrZentor wrote:
Overall, I think he is 58% scum. He has done some helpful things, but it's important to keep an eye on him.

Although he seems suspicious early on, he later helps start the case against C_C, which could be scum or town :/, and he seems genuinely angry at me for attacking him with no reasons. 42% scum

All of these things make me think he is a nooby town; however, he could just be mafia, as it is difficult to tell them apart. 63% scum

His reason for voting for C_C is based on other people's cases, and he votes for me because I claim scum.
70% scum, because I have a feeling he's just a lazy town

And to the townies who are mass switching cccalf:
... Are you f'ing serious??

Because of an irrational fear that we may mislynch the other doctor we are allowing this man to absolutely troll us and waste the whole day, and excuse all this on the SOLE basis that he claims doctor.

No one has even shown hints of critical thinking - so let me do some for you:

MAFIA CAN LIE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FORGOT THIS BUT MAFIA CAN LIE. YOU MIGHT BE THINKING "OH ITS A RISKY GAMBIT". WELL IF YOU ARE MAFIA AND YOU HAVE A SOLID CASE AGAINST YOU AND YOU WILL GET LYNCHED, WHY NOT GO ALL OUT? WHAT'S THERE TO LOSE??? IS IT REALLY INFINITELY MORE BELIEVABLE THAT A TOWN WOULD DO WHAT HE DID?

IF YOU CAN'T GIVE ANY REASON TO NOT VOTE MRZENTOR WITHOUT MENTIONING HIS DOC CLAIM, YOU SHOULD REVOTE HIM.

As for cccalf, yes I would be ok lynching him D3. But a small injection of fear and you guys are acting like idiots. Also consider that his one post is against VE. Against VE, who mafia shot the night right after. I'm not saying that this makes him town. But I am saying you guys aren't thinking critically. There is in my mind a small chance that cccalf may flip town who may be honestly busy. However, there is no chance in my mind that a town doctor would think, "hey a good idea would be to troll the whole town for some information, and then not do anything with it and give my role away so mafia can shoot me next night". Absolute bull.

slOosh

3291 Posts

March 31 2012 21:00 GMT

#848

Plus also consider this: as mafia he fake claims so that doctor is forced to counter claim. We lose doctor next night. This is absolutely stupid. Really, a town doctor trolling the whole day and drawing attention to himself? Outing himself because he acted so stupid?

Honestly guys, think. This "oh I hate MrZentor's play but I don't want to lynch a doctor even though he may be lying" mentality is absolute bull.

slOosh

3291 Posts

March 31 2012 21:02 GMT

#849

I'm so mad and frustrated that I couldn't be here when he posted that stupid wall of troll. I hope enough of you who switched over to cccalf are of sound mind to be here at lynch time to reevaluate this stupid thing.

gonzaw

Uruguay4911 Posts

March 31 2012 21:05 GMT

#850

sloosh, so you are saying that the SU Doctor is cccalf, or Zentor is scum but the real SU Doctor doesn't want to claim to get him lynched?

If none of those happen, then his claim is legit, as much as it pains me to say.

What he did made absolutely no sense, and has so much scum agenda written on it it's not funny; and it makes me want to automatically lynch him right now.
But if there is no cc then it's very likely he's telling the truth.

If cccalf is in fact the SU Doctor, well we are pretty much screwed, considering he doesn't even have the time to post here.

froggynoddy

United Kingdom452 Posts

March 31 2012 21:11 GMT

#851

Sloosh, I think I might agree with you, but I'm only swapping my vote over if we can make sure we get him lynched. Who else is around?

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

March 31 2012 21:13 GMT

#852

I'm here. I'm just super scared of lynching a doctor.

slOosh

3291 Posts

March 31 2012 21:16 GMT

#853

I don't know who the SU doctor is and I hope he is smart enough that he would not give himself away, and town will use reasoning and logic to deduce that MrZentor is scum, and that his last gambit of outing the doctor will go to waste.

If you can honestly believe yourself as a town doctor doing what he did, outing himself at the end, to obtain no results on anything, with the conclusion being 'lets lynch cccalf', even though we could have argued for that without losing our doctor, than I really don't know what to say.

slOosh

3291 Posts

March 31 2012 21:17 GMT

#854

So you guys agree - the only thing is fear stopping you. Can you guys not consider the possibility of a pinned mafia spouting out total BS ?

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

March 31 2012 21:18 GMT

#855

The only thing that scares me is that nobody counterclaimed.

slOosh

3291 Posts

March 31 2012 21:18 GMT

#856

We have 3 votes already and three of you here. We can switch over.

froggynoddy

United Kingdom452 Posts

March 31 2012 21:18 GMT

#857

Well, it seems unlikely a power role would act this way, plus if he is a doctor, his power is a oneshot (unless I missunderstood the role) so we aren't losing that much, I think What I'm not sure about is whether I buy his gambit. It seems like a pretty piss poor thing to do as townie but also doesn't really make sense as mafia play.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

March 31 2012 21:19 GMT

#858

fuck it.

##unvote cccalf
##vote MrZentor

If theres a vig shoot cccalf though.

slOosh

3291 Posts

March 31 2012 21:20 GMT

#859

Ok. look at it from mafia standpoint. you are losing a mafia member. there is no way to defend him. how can you make the most of it? troll all day to kill discussion, then claim something random to oust the doctor.

look at it from a medic standpoint. someone scummy as scum has claimed your role. if you counter claim we lynch him but at the cost of our last medic. you hope people will use logic to deduce that a counter claim isn't the only way to reason that he is scum.

gonzaw

Uruguay4911 Posts

March 31 2012 21:22 GMT

#860

I'm here too.

Now that I think about it, if I was SU Doctor I would never claim at this point, no matter if someone else (in this case Zentor) claimed it as well.
Once I get killed at night (and scum have a 100% chance of hitting me, assuming there are no other doctors), then it would reduce the number of SU players by 1, and rid town of any Doctors.
So yeah, the real doctor wouldn't counterclaim.

@froggy: If he's mafia, he got pinned down by me on N1, and decided to troll the hell out of D2 and fake-claim SU Doctor to draw the real doctor out, and survive one more day. This would mean that once the real doctor claims, they can off him and we will waste all D3 in lynching Zentor as well.

sloosh, I really hope you are right.

##Unvote: cccalf
##Vote: MrZentor