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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
April 01 2012 22:56 GMT
#974
I get the feeling there's some kind of scum DT role that can check alignment, or else how would they know which is us/su? Unless its just blind luck.


Its possible, especially considering the NUKE on BH. Absolutely useless to discuss now.
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
April 01 2012 23:43 GMT
#978
On April 02 2012 08:08 EchelonTee wrote:
bro I got an open mic night to attend to, I'll re-read when I get back. my scumreads stand at DYH/froggy with the notion that I will reconsider my opinion on SInensis


Post your case, throwing random unsupported suspicions around is anti-town. Can we have an agreement that any suspicions be backed up by a case/reasons (which can include someone elses case on him, unless that has been adequately defended against)? Saying X is scum, Y is townie with no backing only promotes confusion as there is no way for the suspect to respond. Also, if the accuser is wrong, it allows Town to identify possible scum slips.

I don't know how many times I can say this but: judging DYH on 3C's behaviour is stupid as apart from the fact that he did not contribute, at all, not even enough to stay in the game (which to me sounds more like bored townie than noob mafia), we have no information.

DYH please be active or I may change my mind.
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
April 02 2012 08:06 GMT
#987
On April 02 2012 13:35 johnnywup wrote:
Sinensis, any reason you're voting DYH other than that he replaced the very inactive ccc? The fact that he didn't post much means (in my eyes) hes probably town because if he was scum, scum would tell him to post more..but i dunno. WIFOM maybe but I don't think they'd WIFOM like that and tell someone to get modkilled/replaced lol.


Its not so much WIFOM as making assumptions about someone's inactivity. It seems to me like its simply more likely for a vanilla town to get bored. not engage in the game as for scum.
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
April 02 2012 08:07 GMT
#988
EBWOP:

Regardless I think there are 2, maybe three people here that show more scumminess than simple inactivity (which as previously mentioned i.e. Jackal post means nothing or at least very little)
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
April 02 2012 08:14 GMT
#989
On April 02 2012 10:56 Sinensis wrote:
##vote: DoYouHas

Looks like I'm going to die trying, and I'm okay with that.


This is possibly the biggest scum slip you've made so far. I would have preferred a BL lynch than you at this point just because I'm more sure of him flipping Nazi, not anymore.

This is LYLO, only you know for sure whether you are town (if you are town), so to say I'm going to vote without defending myself even if it means I die (when in fact it means the end of the game, were you town) is about the scummiest reaction ever.

You and BL, even maybe ET (though ET at least tried to defend himself) have far better cases than simply 'he didn't post = scum'.

Am going to work, will hopefully post in three or so hours.
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
April 02 2012 12:01 GMT
#993
On April 02 2012 19:19 zelblade wrote:
Assuming that sin does indeed flip mafia, I presume that that should clear DYH as town too since there was no point in starting a long term bus plan when the mafia team wasnt even close to being threatended yet.


This logic is bad. We simply don't KNOW about 3C/DYH, whilst we DO have information on other players which makes them better lynch targets than DYH. That does not mean DYH isn't scum, just less likely to be with the information we have at this time.

It could be just very clever scum play to tunnel an inactive scum player (WIFOM), though to me it still seems more likely that he's just picking the easiest alternative.
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
April 02 2012 12:30 GMT
#995
On April 02 2012 21:23 Hesmyrr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 16:46 gonzaw wrote:
Mods, isn't 5 considered majority this day? Because Sinensis only has 4 votes on him, yet he is still marked as red in the OP

Read the rules.


The majority is worked out by the total VOTERS not players i.e. those not voting do not affect the majority.

(I believe this is correct :s)
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
April 02 2012 12:32 GMT
#996
EBWOP:

5. This game uses Extended Majority Lynch. That is, at the deadline the player with a majority of votes is lynched (majority = 1/2 the number of total voters, rounded down + 1). In case of tie, first player to the highest vote will be lynched. If no one has a majority then no lynch will take place. Those who not voted at the deadline will either be replaced or mod-killed.

'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
April 02 2012 22:32 GMT
#1008
Sorry dude, am travelling all of tomorrow to get home for easter break. Will hopefully post before deadline to see what people are saying. Stick on Sinensis today, anyone who doesn't is scum unless they somehow convincingly defend the cases on Sinensis (highly unlikely).

Reverse all kill coming up.
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
April 04 2012 11:19 GMT
#1104
On April 04 2012 10:10 Hesmyrr wrote:
Thanks to everyone for playing my game! Theme I wanted to go for in this game was two formerly antagonistic factions forced to work together in face of common enemy. You can see this in my design for PR. The cops are extremely weakened because they classify players of different nationality also as 'enemy' (Hint to anyone that might wish to join my future games: I despise alignment checks. You can always expect them to be weakened to throw some doubt in the investigation result). Doctors as had been pointed out actually work better in absence of their partner, though of course if there had been obvious town leader they would've been pretty good.

The blues were probably weak, but - like most of my setups - their value was in its claim-ability anyway. Because all power role were in pairs it required scum to invest two players in order to fake claim. PR could also be expected to claim and meet lessened suspicion because of this fact. Considering that scum also want to shoot good players, these four power roles can become hindrance merely by existing; I thought town would be in decent position if cccalf had been lynched D2 and mafia forced to waste their shot on decidedly mediocre MrZentor. That is why I found the hypothesis that there might be six blue roles in the game surprising because role claim downright breaks the game. In fact, this set-up was initially open setup until Foolishness wisely pointed out mass role-claim D1 would be too strong.

As in regards to the game itself, both QT contain extra analyses I could never hope to give. It was mostly straight-forward anyway; the mafia outplayed the town. One example of why ability to separate poor player from scum is more important than one might think. All the discussion about Cyber_Cheese applies here.


Thanks for hosting, I do agree with others that this set up was kinda hard for town, but that's not a criticism in my eyes. Maybe allowing PMs would be interesting as this would allow for Power Roles to be more effective (e.g. one DT declares on thread, medics can protect him, other DT can contact him privately), just a thought. Would love to play in your games in the future regardless of theme :D

Well played Gonzaw, I had you pegged as town (as well as C3 i fact... am going to have to seriously analyse those assumptions I was making), I should have identified you as soft buddying me, congratulations you have no made me paranoid in all future games . You guys used 3C's abseteeism well. Good kills N1 (that and NrZ's trolling fucked everything up for town IMO). I had BL and ET pegged though (got a read+guilty check with high far higher likelihood of Mafia giving me a guilty read).


thanks for the game all, hopefully will improve in future games.

gg
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 11:28:45
April 04 2012 11:26 GMT
#1105
On April 04 2012 13:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 13:11 slOosh wrote:
Another sadface for Sinensis actually giving up at the end. But I guess it is somewhat understandable that at LYLO two townies think him scum ... still would have liked it if he tried till the end.


I find giving up, ESPECIALLY at LYLO, to be unforgivable for a townie. If you give up, that means you stop playing to your wincon. I don't know how anyone finds this to be acceptable play. Even when there's almost no chance whatsoever to stop your own lynch, and even if it's LYLO and the game is about to be over, you die with your finger on the motherfucking trigger and push your scumreads.

Anything less is a death without honor.


Yeah I honestly believe that MrZ, Sinensis and to a lesser degree C_C went against this:

Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.


Thus fucking up any clean reads we could have made on them. However I realise I really wasn't the most pro-active player, but this will hopefully change as I become more confident in playing the game.
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
April 04 2012 11:36 GMT
#1107
I did question VE. I do get your point though, I didn't act on it which is equally as bad play.
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
April 04 2012 11:43 GMT
#1109
Ok fair enough, I retract that post. See you guys in a future game hopefully . I was not finger pointing as I think we all got outplayed (having noobs like me doesn't help:s), I just felt that Mr Z and Sinensis rlly screwed with my reads.

re C_C: I was referring to the flag and to a lesser degree the diagrams... if you read the OP then its clear soft-claiming nationality is playing against town.
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
April 05 2012 08:15 GMT
#1169
On April 05 2012 09:42 MrZentor wrote:
I still don't see why you guys killed me when nobody counter claimed SU doctor.


I thought slOosh was claiming he was SU medic by making his case against you. It was a mistake though.
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