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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 28 2012 12:12 Sinensis wrote: C_C, the "soviet scientist's," posts would have me beg to differ. Assuming CC is indeed town and not scum, I currently do not have a read on whether or not he is US or SU, and nobody who is reasonable does either. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Right, but you admit you don't know whether anyone is US or SU, and it's GOOD that this is the case. In any case C_C is probably scum, but JW is DEFINITELY scum. That being said, it's not unreasonable that they're both scum. I think JW is a better lynch than C_C for reasons I have outlined in my two analysis posts above. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 28 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Well you're wrong about that - JW is not DEFINITELY scum, and C_C is DEFINITELY scum. You're only saying he's "probably scum" so you can try and convince people that JW is a better lynch, when he's not. JW isn't actively disrupting town. JW isn't trolling the rest of town. JW isn't nationality fishing and JW is a new player. C_C is the lynch today BH. If you disagree, you're obviously scum. Period. Are you scum BH? I don't negotiate with terrorists. | ||
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Blazinghand
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In fact, I think there's only one reasonable response to terrorist style tactics. VE is scum trying to gain town cred and using his terror tactics to keep people in line. When I was elected to be the president of the great state of blzinghand I did so on a platform of no negotiating with terrorists. Let me explain the situation here: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VgNdK.png) ##unvote ##vote: VisceraEyes Come at me, bro. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
He wants to lynch anyone who doesn't agree with him. Is that how you promote a good town atmosphere? I THINK NOT. Even *I*, the most aggressive and insane of players, understand that people can disagree with me without being scum. VE knows this. Town VE would know this. But instead, he's promoting a campaign of terrorism. A campaign for which WE CANNOT STAND. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 28 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote: C_C is the lynch today BH. If you disagree, you're obviously scum. Period. Are you scum BH? Does this look like a guy trying to help the town atmosphere, or is this a guy trying to cement is town rep and dissuade people from turning against him? This is NOT how you help the town. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 28 2012 12:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't need to - you just claimed scum. GG sir. If I claimed scum, stop being afraid and vote me. Certainly a scumclaim is stronger than whatever C_C did, right? If I literally claimed scum, as a town player you have to lynch me. Unless, of course, you realize that if I flip, your cover is blown, and your "case" against me is actually flimsy and worthless, and you don't want to lose the town support you've so carefully built. Your terrorists tactics will not work here sir. Come at me if I claimed scum. Vote me. It's what a TOWN VE would do. But that's not you, is it? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 28 2012 12:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote: The thing is, he tunnelled me to a stupid extent in mafia L too. (I think it was L anyway...) I wouldn't put it past him to be accidentally destroying town atmosphere. This seems far more purposeful than something by accident. Threatening anyone who disagrees with him with lynching? That's not an accident. Saying I claimed scum then abandoning the thread? That's not an accident. VE is perfectly capable of playing a high-post-count scum, and that's what he's doing now. Here's my new pictorial analysis of the game: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tIz0J.png) | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 28 2012 12:48 Sinensis wrote: Not that arguing with you has produced results for anyone else that has tried, but is this the anaysis post you are referring to? + Show Spoiler + On March 27 2012 15:34 Blazinghand wrote: I daresay my logic is largely non-ridiculous. It may appear ridiculous to you, but god does not play dice with the universe. Humor me a moment, and let me seduce you with my lascivious arguments. A) Johnnywup's initial "pressure" on me was actually rather half-assed and non-comittal. I found his statement that "scum wouldn't play this bad" (or equivalent) to be an anti-town statement. B) I call him out in a typically aggressive fashion. He responds in this way: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686¤tpage=9#171 This is generally a bad post. I really don't like this particular section: I think any marginally experienced player, or even someone who sits down and thinks about how mafia works should realize that bad logic being posted in the thread DOES hurt the town. as a town player, you want to avoid doing this. As a scum player, you are happy when you see this. bad logic hurts the town. it is anti town, then. And other than these two posts, he has had a generally underwhelming filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686&user=99700 "But, blazinghand, most of JW's stuff wasn't even there during your initial accusation! what was the deal there?" Admittedly, my first post in which I voted him was grasping slightly at straws. this town is silent and there was basically no analysis happening. I needed to get things rolling. His utterly catastrophic responses to me after voting him have made me realize that this guy is scum, and deserves to be lynched. Anybody who examines his filter can look and see that there is something amiss. this is now how a town player would play. I stand by my vote, for new reasons that are stronger than the ones for which it was initially made. The evidence is there. all you need to do is open your eyes. I redded the part I need to comment on, not because I am speculating you are Soviet but just because there is a lot of other formatting in this post. Your argument against johnny is that bad logic hurts the town and he said otherwise. You say bad logic hurts the town and is thus anti town again in this post. There's two examples of your belief that "bad logic hurts the town and is thus anti town." Well maybe you could comment on some of your own bad logic. Or do you need me to go back and quote just about every post you made in the beginning to remind you? My point is the case you are using against johnnywup works better on you than it does him, and that if "bad logic" is the criteria you are going to use to place your vote, maybe you ought to vote yourself. You're literally not reading the thread, are you? Here are my three most recent analysis posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686¤tpage=18#341 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686¤tpage=18#352 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686¤tpage=18#355 | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 28 2012 12:48 slOosh wrote: @Blazinghand Are you saying that VE started up the CC bus and drove it home in order to gain infinite town cred? Or am I mistaken to say that you thought CC was scum (as 2nd option to JW)? I currently think VE is scum. I'm not clear what the deal is with CC and JW. I think they're scummy as well. There's SOME possibility that all three are indeed scum in some horrific multi-bussing conspiracy, but it's probably that one of them is a townie. VE could have "accidentally" derailed town, as CC put it. CC might be town, but as town he's usually more helpful. Some have claimed JW is just bad, which I doubt-- but there's always the possibility. The point I'm trying to make here is that VE is an important town leader at the moment, and he's gone off the deep end with his terrorism and terrorist plots. He's incredibly dangerous and he is hurting the town. I will not abide by his terrorist tactics, as it shuts down meaningful discussion of lynches. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On March 28 2012 12:52 Cyber_Cheese wrote: At any rate, I'm willing to vote JW, and he's on your scum list too. Want to start there? If you don't think VE is scum, I wouldn't mind help with a JW wagon. That being said, of the three of you who I suspect as scum, VE is by far the most dangerous, as a town leader and as a terrorist. JW is fairly benign, as he himself notes-- he's bad at making arguments and pushing wagons. I'd be comfortable with lynching him, but if VE is scum we really should try to get him D1. I'd really prefer a VE lynch though. I'm going to see if I can drum up support and convince the others that we need to take him down. If that fails, then a JW lynch is on the table, and so is letting your wagon roll across the line. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On March 28 2012 13:03 johnnywup wrote: I have a question, BH. Why do you think that VE is scum even after he's been actively pushing to lynch someone who's on your scum list? Two possibilities 1) I'm wrong about C_C or VE or Both 2) http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bus | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 28 2012 13:06 Nemesis wrote: What a shitty non-committal post. "I think VE is scum, but JW or CC might be scum too." Take a stance on which ONE among them you actually think is scum. You are saying that they might all be scum, but VE is the most dangerous one. It doesn't matter who is more dangerous as scum(if that was the case we'd instantly lynch all veteran players), but who is most likely scum. Unless you are trying to say that all three of them are all scum, which is quite improbable. Your'e a moron. I've taken a stance. I've voted VE. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On March 28 2012 13:09 Blazinghand wrote: Your'e a moron. I've taken a stance. I've voted VE. It's utterly preposterous that a Town-aligned VE would stifle town discussion by terrorizing anyone who disagrees with him. He has to be scum. We should lynch him. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 28 2012 13:19 Nemesis wrote: VE's pretty much just like that. I tunneled him in C9++ mafia for doing that same shit when he was town, but doesn't mean he's scum. Got anything better than him just being VE? I find your meta explanation unacceptable. He also states that I have "claimed" scum, and yet his vote stays on someone else-- if I have truly claimed scum, why didn't he move his vote? He's just trying to silence legitimate voices in the town to cement his leadership. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 28 2012 13:24 VisceraEyes wrote: He doesn't. That's all. I can't control anyone's vote. That's the big secret. But I'm on a fucking bender finding scum. Say what you want about my tactics. Luck only gets you so far. Are you gonna vote me, or retract your statement that I "claimed" scum? Pick one. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 28 2012 13:26 Blazinghand wrote: Are you gonna vote me, or retract your statement that I "claimed" scum? Pick one. Still waiting on this. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 28 2012 13:32 VisceraEyes wrote: I can only lynch one of you BH. You're being ridiculous. Now, C_C is on your scumlist. Quit being unreasonable and vote for C_C. Why are you making this hard? If I claimed scum, and you truly believe this to be the case, am I being ridiculous? Alternatively, if you are a scum player seizing control of the town and I am a town player, am I being ridiculous? No, the only possibility where I'm being ridiculous is if we're both town. That's not the case here. So I'm not being ridiculous. And I'm still waiting for either a vote from you or a retraction of your statement that I claimed scum. | ||
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