• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:30
CEST 12:30
KST 19:30
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy3Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3
Community News
Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)8BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13
StarCraft 2
General
TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2) How herO can make history in the Code S S2 finals Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group A [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group B SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 3
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 27039 users

The Sum of All Fears Mafia - Page 2

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next All
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 27 2012 08:04 GMT
#216
I also don't like how you took a complete 180 from saying I'm town to saying I'm scum after I start having trouble arguing my points, ET. Switching opinions isn't in itself bad but it seems kind of odd that you switched it that drastically after not that much changed.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 27 2012 20:12 GMT
#290
sorry i haven't posted in a while. school +homework. I'll post my thoughts on everything in a few hours.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 27 2012 22:49 GMT
#300
I personally don't see anything wrong with C_C's posting. However I think that EchelonTree is super suspicious. Sides with me until the moment I vote. Admittedly the argument that BH posted to change his mind was a strong one. But what makes me wonder if ET is scum is...

On March 27 2012 16:31 EchelonTee wrote:
so i was all like "BH's tunneling on nemesis is not very good, I don't like it". then I saw this and was like j.wup busting out the logic woot, my earlier suspicion on mr. wup was wrong! BH is being wildly scummy! But then BH reacted alright to ma prezzure, so then I re-read the post mr. wup and realized it was actually not good at all and I was a dumdum to think it was good so then I unvoted.

AKA

Nemesis case bad. J.wup case good.

First of all, my argument was strong at the time. He was acting scummy, in my opinion. But he defended himself well. So my argument fell apart. Which is fine.

But the thing is, previously you said
On March 27 2012 15:13 EchelonTee wrote:Am I REALLY being unhelpful BH? Are you REALLY being more helpful than me, with your subversive aggression?

I don't expect a logical response, I expect OMGUS. Other people can comment on this if they wish. You're making utterly no sense.

which ties into you saying I'm more scummy because BH defended himself well and my argument fell apart.
On March 27 2012 17:12 EchelonTee wrote:
here's how it goes mr. wup, i'm going to let you into the mind of ET.

I have an excel sheet. Everyone is on a scale of 1-5, town-scum. Everyone starts at 3. After the first few pages, I put you at a 4. After your post on BH, I put you to a 3. After the last 2 pages, I put you back to 4.

In thread it looks like a 180 I spose, but I put people's alignments on a sliding scale.


You made the same argument as me, that BH's posts were nonsensical. But after "rereading my posts after finding BHs argument to be strong" you found my argument was weak. This doesn't make me scummy, unless it makes you scummy as well, since you had the same opinion. Admittedly, BH's argument was pretty good and I don't fault you for unvoting. Arguments fall apart. Mine did. So why does that make me scum?

Why so hypocritical?
##vote: EchelonTee
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 27 2012 22:55 GMT
#302
No. I just don't think your case on C_C is very strong. I think bluelightz isn't being very helpful but I don't think that makes him scum.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 27 2012 23:08 GMT
#310
On March 28 2012 08:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Look again johnny: I think you've got a good thing goin there with ET, but we can only lynch one at a time and presently C_C has the most support.

so you're lynching based on support rather than merit of argument? -_- I thought you were better than that VE.

I don't like arguments that rely on other mafia games for proof on "post style". I don't think the argument against C_C is very strong so I'm going to keep my vote on ET.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 27 2012 23:10 GMT
#311
EBWOP: I think C_C has been underwhelming this game compared to the game you linked but I don't think that that makes him scum necessarily.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 27 2012 23:16 GMT
#316
Are you mocking me VE? I don't think I'm better than you but I think trusting ones own judgement is better than trusting that the more experienced players will carry you to victory. I trust good arguments, not good posters. And your argument just didn't do it for me.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 27 2012 23:22 GMT
#322
Are you sure you aren't mocking me?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 27 2012 23:29 GMT
#328
*sigh* I never said I was better than you VE. I said that based on the evidence laid before me, I cannot find the connection that says C_C is scum. Suspicious, maybe, but I haven't seen anything that points to him being scum. You can't just say that he's scum and make me think "oh! he's scum!". I see your argument, I just can't make the connection that you're making. I don't like arguments that RELY on meta (im assuming that means other games). Arguments that INCLUDE meta are fine in my book. I can't see any other argument, but maybe I'm just stupid and can't add 2 and 2. The problem I have is that I legitimately don't understand what you're arguing.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 27 2012 23:50 GMT
#333
On March 28 2012 08:28 EchelonTee wrote:
i'm not really sure how to respond to this because it doesn't make sense
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 07:49 johnnywup wrote:
I personally don't see anything wrong with C_C's posting. However I think that EchelonTree is super suspicious. Sides with me until the moment I vote. Admittedly the argument that BH posted to change his mind was a strong one. But what makes me wonder if ET is scum is...

On March 27 2012 16:31 EchelonTee wrote:
so i was all like "BH's tunneling on nemesis is not very good, I don't like it". then I saw this and was like j.wup busting out the logic woot, my earlier suspicion on mr. wup was wrong! BH is being wildly scummy! But then BH reacted alright to ma prezzure, so then I re-read the post mr. wup and realized it was actually not good at all and I was a dumdum to think it was good so then I unvoted.

AKA

Nemesis case bad. J.wup case good.

First of all, my argument was strong at the time. He was acting scummy, in my opinion. But he defended himself well. So my argument fell apart. Which is fine.

no your arguement wasn't strong. this post didn't make any sense. i could detail to you exactly why it doesn't, but you're going to have to do some thinking sometime.

I really don't see why the argument was that bad. I dunno what to say, sorry? I don't know. I don't understand how it's so vastly different.

Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 07:49 johnnywup wrote:
But the thing is, previously you said
On March 27 2012 15:13 EchelonTee wrote:Am I REALLY being unhelpful BH? Are you REALLY being more helpful than me, with your subversive aggression?

I don't expect a logical response, I expect OMGUS. Other people can comment on this if they wish. You're making utterly no sense.

which ties into you saying I'm more scummy because BH defended himself well and my argument fell apart.

what? you didn't actually state anything by bringing up this quote. in this post, and in your atk on BH, you draw several quotes but don't actually use them to prove anything. my english professor would fail you.

Yeah I'm pretty bad at that lol. I tried to draw them all together at the end but I guess it didn't go well :/

Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 07:49 johnnywup wrote:
On March 27 2012 17:12 EchelonTee wrote:
here's how it goes mr. wup, i'm going to let you into the mind of ET.

I have an excel sheet. Everyone is on a scale of 1-5, town-scum. Everyone starts at 3. After the first few pages, I put you at a 4. After your post on BH, I put you to a 3. After the last 2 pages, I put you back to 4.

In thread it looks like a 180 I spose, but I put people's alignments on a sliding scale.


You made the same argument as me, that BH's posts were nonsensical. But after "rereading my posts after finding BHs argument to be strong" you found my argument was weak. This doesn't make me scummy, unless it makes you scummy as well, since you had the same opinion. Admittedly, BH's argument was pretty good and I don't fault you for unvoting. Arguments fall apart. Mine did. So why does that make me scum?

Why so hypocritical?
##vote: EchelonTee

once again, you take one of my quotes and completely ignore what i said. you still haven't provided a single actual reason why i'm "super suspicious". whatever. I had the same STANCE as you (blazinghand a scummy fck) but my ARGUMENT was constructed definitely. as in it made sense while yours, upon further investigation, feels fabricated and false.

How? I really don't see the difference. And I was asking the question why I become more scummy since you had a similar argument (I really don't see the difference on how my argument more scummy).

don't link myself and you; you're scummy not because of your bad arguement. it's because your reasoning for voting BH is fake. just look at this. does anyone srsly think this is a good reason to vote someone? it reminds me of when TKHawkins tried to bandwagon me in surprisingly normal VII. Get your vote off me, you're not starting a wagon on me today.

I've mentioned before that I voted based on the reasons I had posted prior to that post, and that was only an additional point..alone it would be a bad reason to vote for someone, yes.

---
I don't think you're scum VE so I'll just trust you. I don't think I'm being unreasonable, having an opinion and all. My argument against ET wasn't very strong, but it was something. I couldn't link why you thought he was scum until you explained it to me, so thanks for that. Your argument is better now that I see what you mean. I don't suppose many people think I'm town right now, and I don't think that me submitting to lynching C_C will really change much, but I'll do what I can to clear my name.
##unvote EchelonTee
##vote Cyber_Cheese


+ Show Spoiler +
note to self: don't try and be helpful because my arguments are terrible and have me look like scum in both of the games I've played.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 28 2012 00:01 GMT
#338
when did I defend you C_C? I only said I thought VE's argument against you was bad, at the time. I never said I thought you were town.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 28 2012 02:28 GMT
#350
why would you include nationality in the c_c?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 28 2012 03:35 GMT
#379
@BH and everyone else who wants me lynched

I dunno what to say other than that I'm town, and I've definitely done a poor job showing that. I tried to scum hunt but I'm new and bad so everything i say comes to bite me in the ass every time because I can't argue shit. I know that and it's been put against me many times, and that's just how it is, I guess. So lynch me, but you'll be down a townie and in for trouble from mafia.

I guess I'm not really helping anyways so lynching me wouldn't be too detrimental, really. I'd lynch myself if it gave town information actually but there's no information that would come of it. So if you want to lynch me go ahead but there's no information that's going to surface from lynching an omgus townie that can't argue for his life.

johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 28 2012 03:42 GMT
#388
I love those pictures.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 28 2012 03:51 GMT
#400
i dunno bh, im pretty sure im not scum :O
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 28 2012 04:03 GMT
#404
I have a question, BH. Why do you think that VE is scum even after he's been actively pushing to lynch someone who's on your scum list?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 28 2012 05:01 GMT
#438
On March 28 2012 13:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 13:53 Blazinghand wrote:
##unvote
##vote johnnywup


/facepalm

Now he's gonna claim. You're an ass BH.

claim that I'm scum?

I'm not,sorry to disappoint everyone lol
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 28 2012 05:08 GMT
#446
the internet loves cats, and me and bluelightz are cats. therefore the internet loves us. everyone posting in this game is part of the internet.

everyone in this game loves me and bluelightz ♥
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 28 2012 14:10 GMT
#462
On March 28 2012 20:54 froggynoddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
Attention: EchelonTee is not my lynch of choice. I'm compromising for the good of the town. Thank you.

he was mocking me here. he wasnt defending/buddying me, he was pissed at me.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 28 2012 15:46 GMT
#465
no, he was never willing to change his vote. he never planned on keeping his vote on ET, he was mocking my vote. (at least thats how i understand it)
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 30m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 228
ProTech62
MindelVK 27
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 6108
firebathero 1793
Hyuk 808
Mini 274
Zeus 218
EffOrt 205
Stork 149
PianO 118
ToSsGirL 113
sorry 93
[ Show more ]
JulyZerg 84
Killer 70
Dewaltoss 61
ZerO 39
Rush 37
Nal_rA 32
Light 26
Barracks 22
zelot 21
HiyA 11
Noble 9
SilentControl 8
Hm[arnc] 7
ivOry 4
Dota 2
420jenkins598
XcaliburYe588
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K924
shoxiejesuss808
allub152
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0350
Other Games
singsing1515
Happy425
Nina124
XaKoH 90
Lowko85
QueenE26
ZerO(Twitch)5
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream3672
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream3528
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 30
lovetv 4
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2128
League of Legends
• Stunt641
Other Games
• Scarra1619
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
30m
HiGhDrA vs Nicoract
MaNa vs HiGhDrA
HiGhDrA vs Reynor
Nicoract vs Reynor
MaNa vs Nicoract
MaNa vs Reynor
MaxPax vs Spirit
Krystianer vs Spirit
OSC
2h 30m
BSL 2v2 ProLeague S3
8h 30m
Korean StarCraft League
16h 30m
SOOP
22h 30m
sOs vs Percival
CranKy Ducklings
23h 30m
WardiTV Invitational
1d
Cheesadelphia
1d 4h
CSO Cup
1d 6h
BSL: ProLeague
1d 7h
Hawk vs UltrA
Sziky vs spx
TerrOr vs JDConan
[ Show More ]
GSL Code S
1d 21h
Rogue vs herO
Classic vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 23h
BSL: ProLeague
2 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
Cross vs Doodle
MadiNho vs Dragon
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
4 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.