EPTThe Sum of All Fears Mafia - Page 2
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froggynoddy
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froggynoddy
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Am in class until an hour before deadline so hopefully will post my thoughts just before in case I yet again die N1. @ BH: What should we do should if we don't have any Vigs? I feel like there are juicier scum targets than him. I guess he'll have 48hrs to defend himself. | ||
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froggynoddy
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On March 30 2012 07:00 EchelonTee wrote: #2: this post from froggy is so fn weird; as pointed out by mr. blzinghand, froggy spends 23592u35098 years talking about VE's faults but then just votes for cyber. takes away his responsibility for voting C_C. I was pointing out VE's flawed thinking, that flawed thinking did not necessarily make him scum, as I explain in my response to C_C's (which said the same thing as you just have): @C_C: Yes I've pointed out VE's faults, but he's contributed a lot to town, more than you, and you haven't answered for your faults that have been listed out comprehensively, and in my eyes are more telling. Also my above reasoning does not necessarily lead to scum play and could just be aggressive/wild town play. I think you are more likely to flip scum, however VE being scum has more severe consequences. The course I recommend would be to lynch you whilst the rest of us be more active and usefull townies (apart from BH)... therefore mitigating VE's effects on town (which as I explained earlier whether he is town or scum are considerable). And yes I know that's hypocritical coming from the guy with second lowest filtre, but that doesn't make me wrong though. Until Sinensis defends himself better i.e. without OMGUS-ing: ##Vote Sinensis | ||
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froggynoddy
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On March 30 2012 12:02 gonzaw wrote: Why don't you post cases against those players and me? So far this Day 2 you have just been defending yourself and bickered with Nemensis, you haven't posted any cases, or thorough reads or thoughts. Froggy is scum just because he "sheeped" you? When, where, how? Point out his post, call him out, post more thoughts about him. Sorry for late reply, manic day at work. @ Gonzaw: Please do not defend me, I don't need your buddying. I had the same gripe with VE defending JW and Blue. @ Sinensis: I did not sheep you, I agreed with the analysis and thought you weren't defending yourself properly because you were scum... guess what I still think you are scum, you know why? Because you just OMGUS-ed me... again. And have continuously failed to address BH's case against you. Just because he is dead does not mean his case will go away. @ET: For the upteenth town. My post about VE was not a scum post, I was warning against him taking a town leader role. Which with hindsight looks like I was pretty darn right as 1. He flipped town 2. the thread is now in chaos because two of our most vocal scumhunters/town leaders are dead. More to follow as I read the thread... | ||
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froggynoddy
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@Blue: 3C is causing less havoc than Sinensis and Mr Zentor at the moment. That is why unless they start defending themselves properly I see them as better lynch targets. Remember the 'no useless townie' post VE made: On March 27 2012 16:43 VisceraEyes wrote: ET: I'm going to share with you a post from PTP1. A little backstory: it was like my second game here and I was still REALLY bad at this game. Like, real bad. But the one thing I had going for me was my willingness to go after site veterans if I thought they were acting shady. I had just smoked BloodyC0bbler because he led a lynch on me and that shit pissed me off. I thought I was clearly town and this guy gets everyone in town to vote for me. So I killed him. Jackal58 was in that game and he posted this. It changed the way I viewed this game, and it made me realize something very important: there's no such thing as a useless townie. Someone actively bad at the game, who disagrees with obvious townies and helps scum push their objectives, even they help town by BEING ALIVE. Scum's win-condition is based on NUMBERS. That's why they say the lynch is town's greatest weapon: because scum can't stop the lynch by any means. If we start feeding "useless townies" to the lynch, then that reduces town's number by one, putting scum one step closer to victory. In short, I don't know yet if johnnywup is scum, but he's certainly not scummy enough to lynch yet. DEFINITELY not for the reasons Blazinghand has stated. Until you disprove this 3C is less of a lynch target. JW has been quiet today. Where you at? | ||
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froggynoddy
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dude... this actually forces me to vote for you... if you flip town this you are so stupid. ##Unvote ##Vote MrZentor | ||
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On March 31 2012 12:17 EchelonTee wrote: Hmmm.... froggy I've re-read that post multiple times now. you're wrong that town shouldn't try and take a leadership role (it's really important to have leadership or at least direction) and comparing it to when Palmar wrecked town is an implicit reference to the potential of VE to be scum, but this is one of the most sensible tidbits posted this game. high 5 There's a difference between making sure town is being pro-active and dominating the thread with your own agenda. I'll try and explain more in when I wake up (its 5 am here...). Good night/morning froggynoddy | ||
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froggynoddy
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Gratz. ##Unvote ##Vote cccalf | ||
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On April 01 2012 06:22 gonzaw wrote: I'm here too. Now that I think about it, if I was SU Doctor I would never claim at this point, no matter if someone else (in this case Zentor) claimed it as well. Once I get killed at night (and scum have a 100% chance of hitting me, assuming there are no other doctors), then it would reduce the number of SU players by 1, and rid town of any Doctors. So yeah, the real doctor wouldn't counterclaim. @froggy: If he's mafia, he got pinned down by me on N1, and decided to troll the hell out of D2 and fake-claim SU Doctor to draw the real doctor out, and survive one more day. This would mean that once the real doctor claims, they can off him and we will waste all D3 in lynching Zentor as well. sloosh, I really hope you are right. ##Unvote: cccalf ##Vote: MrZentor sorry didn't reas your post. If the two others switch their votes that makes me more comfortable: ##Unvote ##Vote MrZentor | ||
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froggynoddy
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On April 01 2012 06:25 slOosh wrote: Do you honestly think that we would let someone who does that go without intense scrutiny, especially that we have talked about it in detail right now? Don't let fear dictate your actions - use reasoning and logic. Heh, ... isn't it ironic that this game is called "The Sum of All Fears" .... Nice. You and gonzaw convinced me. Lets hope we're right about this. | ||
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froggynoddy
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On April 01 2012 07:03 gonzaw wrote: wtf? sloosh, I thought YOU were the SU Doctor!! fuck yeah thatas what I guessed too | ||
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froggynoddy
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PREAMBLE: If you wish to dispute any points I make, do not argue 'But froggy some of these points apply to you too'. Rather say 'froggy, you are wrong because either 1. your logic is wrong because of X and Y or 2. Your evidence is flawed because of Z. Dismissing anything I write because you think I'm scum is a scum move i.e. OMGUS-ing, unless you can back it up by 1. or 2. I present to you my strongest of three scum-reads (in order of conviction): I. Bluelights (or lurking the Nazi way) As opposed to 3C (who we have no info on), BL has been posting the absolute minimum, enough to appear less scummy than 3C (or at least more active), and, lets be honest, with VE/BH Day 1 townie-induced chaos and Mr Z's Day 2 townie induced-chaos Mafia had no reason to post anything risky (i.e. sowing the seeds of discord themselves... as we were doing that ourselves). His first post of content was this: Reads, Reads! Blazinghand ---> Catapaulted to very sure is townie from his recent posting(Active, Pressuring people, etc) and being funny and awesome in starcraft ^_^ Some random summaries MrZentor --> Has been following Discussion, has not provided any reads, I'd love some reads from him. gonzaw --> Has followed discussion, setup speculation, I'd love some reads and more content from him . ET --> Townie, has followed discussion pressed people to post, preety townie C_C ---> Needs to step up, he has nothing of substance, has not taken a stance on anything yet, I want reads, willing to lynch depending on what he post's next. About as sheepish as it gets, posting who he thinks is townie, thus appearing to be pro-town but in fact contributing nothing. Don't get me wrong, knowing who you think is town is good, but if that is all you contribute then town is not going to win. HIs reads are also oddly certain, it seems like an easy scum move to post who you know is town, so that when they flip you can go 'hey see how townie I am!'. As town, and that early on there was no way making such 'certain' town reads. All his next posts throughout day 1 are 'who he thinks is town' posts. Absolutely useless day 1. Gives no content and adds nothing. He then sheeps on ET, proceeds to sheeps C_C (ok... we all did so not a factor) and says that actually he thinks ET is town (wtf). Day 2 he posts this: If you guys would like to lynch gonzaw, that would be fine with me, Ill change my vote asap if you guys do want to. Some more reads, I think that Nemesis is town, he has been following discussion, not lurking, has provided reason for his vote on Cyber_Cheese. Wtf! Thats not even sheeping whilst agreeing with someone's case (something we all pretty much did Day 1), its unconditional sheeping. This IMHO is the scummiest post I've seen so far. He then proceeds to want to kill 3C for lurking, an easy lynch to bandwagon, whether 3C is town or scum. The rest of his posts are oneliners. Part 2 to follow... (in an hour or so, giving people enough time to respond appropriately; I don't like multi-case posts) | ||
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froggynoddy
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Also, Gonzaw, what do you think sloosh's death means? I'm seeing it as WIFOM with regards to ET's alignment. What do you think. @Nemesis: what... the ... fuck: Anyways we have to vote together. The DT should probably roleclaim right now since we are in LYLO. Don't reveal all your claims though if your ability is similar to sloosh. Reveal only what you need to, that is if the lynch targets today are innocent or guilty. US DT, do not do this. This is a stupid move. If perhaps both of you were still alive the info might be worth the risk (especially if we had two SU left...) but definitely not with just one of you. Also: slOosh, you are KGB Agent (Soviet Union)! You can choose to investigate one player every night. At beginning of the next day, you will receive Innocent result for those who have SU nationality and Guilty result for those who do not. You know there is two Godfather role in this game. Don't forget you have to PM both Hassybaby and me. You win when all threats to town are eliminated. If there are 2 GF's then his checks are pretty worthless (assuming GF return as Innocent), unless we get to like Day 5+... ##Vote Sinensis | ||
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