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froggynoddy
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froggynoddy
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Additionally, the mafia will receive copies of the Vanilla Townie PM and of each blue role, in order to prevent things like PM based closed ciphers How much help can he give? Can we ask whether our logic is sound? e.g. this post + that reaction = scummy? How the post might appear? e.g. This is too long and not enough content therefore scummy | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
Coaches prplhz has agreed to coach this game, bug him with any questions about how to play that you may have. Remember that coaches will not play *for* you, but they are useful to talk to. | ||
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froggynoddy
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Just woke up. As previously mentioned 2nd game. @Sc2system: that is not a correct use of WIFOM, though tbf a lot of people use it that way it seems on TL. If something is not legit explain the logical fallacy or false premises, using the term WIFOM in such a general way makes the term, and your counter argument, useless. The term comes from this: And Nova_Terra is kind of right, it refers more particularly to the logical fallacy of infinite regress in the context of psychology (or motive as TN pointed out): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_regress | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On March 22 2012 23:33 Nova_Terra wrote: The one thing that i do not like about everyone deciding to lynch a lurker is the strange scrambling that happens if the lurker does happen to post up. in reverse, if the player shows activity in the very beginning and then cuts off all contact for over a day and a half (what happened with firmtofu last game) i dont consider to be that good of a lynch, as i find that if the person was in fact scum, they would be there and try to post to defend themselves. Therefore if all lurkers do post, we should vote to lynch whoever seems the most suspicious at that given moment. The point is forcing people to contribute gives us more information to work with, maybe not for day 1 but for further down the line. Also people bandwagoning a 'defensive' lurker can be telling. Remember, information is good for town. That said, jumping to conclusions is silly, you're misgivings are well put | ||
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froggynoddy
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Froggy, can you explain what you mean by, " a 'defensive' lurker."? a bit confused. Sorry, I'm in the middle of a stats class so my brain is a bit frazzled... I meant a lurker who responds to pressure over-defensively. What I have been saying (and I think what Seviro is saying), is to be able to analyse behaviour you need to get actions and reactions from people. The analysis then has to be correct in of itself. The decision to lynch should therefore be based on 1. information (gathered by pressuring, amongst other ways) 2. Correct analysis. But without 1. we shall never be able to do 2. And therefore any decisions to lynch will be less strong. Does that make sense? :s | ||
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froggynoddy
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You're first post states (after day 1) that you are for lurker lynch: Additionally, I would suggest we open with a lurker lynch strategy. Stating our willingness to lynch a lurker should force activity. If push comes to shove, we must follow through, but hopefully it will force no lurkers. I know mafia tips suggest policy lynches are bad, but I think it's hard to get the ball rolling in newbie games. You're second post has no content: Ok, It took like 2 minutes to read the 8 posts so far I've been reading FAQs and strategy and whatnot (I missed getting last game by a bit :/) but still had to look up OMGUS. So here is a webpage I found useful: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Main_Page I would still like to go back and read the opening day of some of the newbie games. I will do this regardless, but I think it would be beneficial for those that played in those newbie games to go back, reread, and offer analysis of those games as well (or even if you didn't play like me!) My point is we can't analyze players who haven't played any games very accurately, but we can analyze strategy of past newbie games. Your third point is some very weak finger pointing: I know it is hard to contribute on Day1 in a newbie game, but again, the only way to force... is to force it... Post anything of value to this game of mafia. Even a weak thought about who looks suspicious, who doesn't, if you think we should day1 lynch etc. Posts that say nothing "HI GUYS" are equal to not posting in my book. As are posts simply agreeing with another post. Try and post some original thought, regardless of how weak it is. I've made a spreadsheet with posts and ranked posts according to a day1-content scale I made. These are the three lowest people: 1)sc2system 2)Ninja4ever 3)Froggynoddy You all have posts, but not enough substance! ULTIMATUM: Post something of value within 8 hours or you are getting my vote! There is pretty much nothing to go by. Your content is zilch, you are putting suspicion on people who have more content than you; I have argued that forcing lurkers to post is beneficial to town, more convincingly than you have (as has seviro and to a certain extent Nova_Terra), yet you put a really weak case forward against three posters. I'm not voting for you YET but you seriously need to shape up. Accusing players who have posted content in day 1 seems scummy to me as there is so little to go by. Make a better case dude. (for all three of us) | ||
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froggynoddy
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Ninja4ever has posted very little. I'll give you that. | ||
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froggynoddy
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On March 23 2012 05:24 Rise Of Fenix wrote: Day one lynching is always a solid plan to move foreward, but no real tells are showing thus far. I will likely post my thoughts about 1 hour before the deadline. But not lynching anyone only benefits the scum. He says a vaguely townie thing (i.e. not lynching is anti-town) and says something that could mean a variety of things i.e. that he won't post until last hour That could mean he is 1. noob (we all are) 2. busy (I'm working tomorrow so I kinda appreciate this point) or 3. terribad scum. Your point is well taken though and I don't mean to dismiss it. I'd just rather get rid of people who are not giving any information at all at this stage (though I am more than willing to be argued against) | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On March 23 2012 14:21 Rise Of Fenix wrote: My points: I dont think I was thinking straight, and reading over my posts I have really been really playing terribly. Im sorry. However, I think it is time for a little bit of analysis. As I was suspicious of Michaelthe earlier, and then was backed up by froggy. Michael the never defended himself. I think that this is reason enough to lynch him, but until he defends himself I wont. Just because Michaelthe hasn't defended himself doesn't excuse you from not defending yourself. You came out VERY defensive. I called for lurkers to post, and they did... But hey, that's not my strategy!: Fair enough, I'd rather you post people's posts and explain why they are lacking in content rather than say 'I have a file that says you are posting no content'. Show your evidence and then explain your analysis. You seem to be playing aggressively, which is prob good town play at this stage of the game, but playing aggressively with unclear reasoning/basis is anti-town as it confuses and disorganises a concerted town effort to scumhunt. | ||
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froggynoddy
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froggynoddy
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On March 24 2012 03:14 Seviro wrote: Oh, I really just think now that Fenix is playing poorly or just doesn't care enough to put enough time on the game. But I'll give him the chance to step up his play because I really think he is town. Why do you think he is 'really' town? At best its 50/50 as he has not contributed anything to town. My strongest read at the minute is Mementos as leaning town. His analysis seems well thought out and his pressuring good. Rise Of Fenix is either scum or not useful to town. I'm not going to repeat the case against him but it seems to be the strongest we have. At the moment a lynch seems beneficial to town as if we don't lynch we have less information and theres a risk day 2 is spent on day 1 stuff. ##Vote Rise Of Fenix If Rise of Fenix contributes something before I go to bed (in 3-4hrs or so) then I will strongly consider switching my vote to virtu due to his inactivity. | ||
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froggynoddy
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On March 24 2012 04:40 Seviro wrote: I think that if he was mafia, his fellow scum would have helped him in the background so that he don't look so suspicious. For now I think he is just bad and as I said, i'm willing to give him a chance to step up his play. I shouldn't have said that I think that he is really town, more like I don't see him being more scummy than anyone else right now. Assuming that scum proofread is silly, we can only go by what happens in this thread. | ||
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froggynoddy
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Otherwise we would disregard any slip up by saying 'well gee doze scum can't bee dat bad'. | ||
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froggynoddy
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On March 24 2012 07:31 Ninja4ever. wrote: Haha, so when we repeat too much stuff that makes us look scummy (see seviro case), and the same goes when we don't ? Seems quite problematic to me ! :p No, its scummy to add no content. Blindly repeating something is an easy thing for scum to do and appear to be pro-town yet actually give nothing of value to town. If you agree with someone's reasoning for a lynch than just say so, or if you think something needs clarifying (particularly in these noob games) then do so. The only way to be seen as town is to give town valuable content. Therefore, in a way its neither about repeating someone's content or not its about adding content generally. This is why my vote stays on RoF (also I think Day 1 no lynch is probably bad for town, for the reasons I set out in my previous post). He had plenty of chances of trying to contribute to town and he hasn't, whether he flips green or red he was still bad for town. | ||
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froggynoddy
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