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MrZentor
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I just got off the ban list, and I want to get back into action. | ||
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Anyways, I thought this started a day after it did, so I am a little late to the party. Let me tell everybody my opinion, so you can get a good read on me! First we have Acrofales overreacting to a vote that didn't have a basis. On March 21 2012 22:54 Acrofales wrote: Okay seriously WTF. I know I'm new to this game, but voting me for that reason alone makes no sense. In fact, it seems quite a scum move to cast suspicion on people right at the start of the game. Or am I going overboard and it's just a way of getting people to post at the start of the game? Either way, I'm watching you and risk.nuke. Voting off the bat seems fishy. He then votes for Mattchew. On March 22 2012 00:04 Acrofales wrote: Hodor's terribly talkative all of a sudden. Luckily I have better sources than that. The Ghost of High Heart told me that you are scum. ##vote: Mattchew Lyter defends Acrofales. On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote: I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means. I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway. Then Mattchew, bad spelling in hand, attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales I really don't like that Mattchew attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales, who I think at this point is innocent. It also seems silly that Mattchew is 100% positive that Acrofales is innocent over one nooby overreaction. If you look at Mattchew's filter, you will see he only said something slightly helpful when he was asked to; everything else is just him attacking other people without any real reason. For now, I think he is most likely to be scum. | ||
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On March 22 2012 05:43 DoYouHas wrote: Interesting MrZentor. Why do you lean town for Acro? Is it because you think Matt is likely scum and they are opposed to each other? Or have Acro's more recent posts been townie in your eyes? If so, what in them, specifically, strikes you as townie? I want you to expand your reasoning on why you consider Acro innocent. After that, I would like to hear your take on Gumshoe and those of us attacking him. Ooooooo, a fun project to occupy my time while people post more things! This post, especially the part in bold, made me think he was innocent. His reason for overreacting seems genuine. On March 22 2012 02:23 Acrofales wrote: What you bolded was basically a follow-up to my question before the game started: As for the rest, I've calmed down a bit, with later people talking about the random votes. It is my first game (ever) and I was hoping to live past the first day. People instavoting for me got me a bit upset. I am happy to unvote Matthew when a better candidate comes up, the ghost of High Heart is kinda cryptic when it comes to her prophecies It was more of a "if you vote for me, then I'll vote for you"-thing anyway. That said, Matthew, why did you vote for me? Chaoser already had the random vote on me. The 2nd one was just mean. That vote has been the entire contribution to this game, with no explanation or text (except for a lololololol, which is even less useful). He also deflects gumshoe's attack by clearly explaining his thought process and shows why he thinks gumshoe look scummy. On March 22 2012 03:08 Acrofales wrote: My reason for not going after Mattchew (or Chaoser for that matter) is precisely because I have since realised it's a random vote to troll me and get a reaction. I think he got quite the reaction, so it succeeded rather well. It also got lots of other people talking, which is a double plus! I am still interested to know why he voted for me, but I am smart enough to know that that is not a reason to suspect him of being mafia off the bat. In fact, it's not enough for me to decide either way. YOU, however, have done nothing but spread misinformation with your posts. You spend three entire posts (not short either) on Littlefinger: + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 01:34 gumshoe wrote: Alright just woke up, On the topic of random voting, I don't mind it so long as its a means to an end. It should generate discussion not baseless band wagons Also on the issue of third party. Isn't little finger sort of irrelevant to town? I mean unless he's going to act like a total dick and try to get himself lynched he really shouldn't be a problem for us, its scum who have to worry about shooting him. Townies look for scum, scum look for third party, lets not do scum's job for them by finding the guy whose potentially the biggest threat to their operation. It's better if little finger stays hidden looks like a helpful blue and soaks up a hit. I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about him, I just don't want to give him away(which as far as we know makes no difference to him) until scum finds him on their own, because just by being there as he is he disrupts and confuses scum. For the record though I think he has to ensure that catelyn survives no matter what(or maybe sansa) and ned dies. Or maybe he just has to identify everyone. It'll be near impossible to confirm our theories until later when we've seen someone act peculiar(like a third party would) even then though like I said before it might still be a good idea to keep Baelish under wraps. Next up, Xatalos, why did you vote for me of all people? Is it because I'm a newer player eg an easy target to pressure/bandwagon? On March 22 2012 01:42 gumshoe wrote: Why waste a hit? I find it hard to believe Scum are going to come forward like that and claim Baelish(it seems to crazy for even a player like Caller) so way I see it where is either a vanilla townie way down below in flea bottom dreaming of some day ruling the kingdom with an iron fist, or hes baelish and we waste a hit/reveal third party to scum. Personally I think we should stay clear of trying to lynch Baelish, unless someone claims there him just before we kill him, in which case they fully deserve to die as we had already decided. If we lynch Where it should be because we think hes scum, not Baelish, do you really think Where is scum this early in the game? On March 22 2012 01:50 gumshoe wrote: Thank you Jackson ( : but keep in mind it is possible(though unlikely considering scums hate for flashy play early on) that Where is scum, we shouldnt just take his word for anything but I agree talking about Baelish is pointless and benefits scum the most. For now we can just ignore Where as if he was just a dumb poster. moving on lets discuss policy(it'll only take a bit and we may as well get it over with early on) do we set a preliminary lynch deadline?(im leaning 8 hours in advance if we do) Do we policy lynch hardcore lurkers?(by hardcore I mean like 3 one liners a cycle, personally for this because lynching lurkers always helps clear the air a bit and they werent helping anyway so nothing really lost) are we going to elect a mayor?( I've never done this before so I dont know how that works) in which you claim not to have read the D1 post properly, but you might equally well be trying to confuse any productive discussion happening in the thread. On top of that you ask about the mayor election, which even I had gathered does not happen unless Curu says it does: more misinformation and confusion to be cleared up, rather than spending time on useful stuff. You end the last post with a request to talk about policy, but instead, as Oberyn put it nicely: And now, to top it all off, you decide that I am scummy for backing down from a fight with someone I have no information about one way or the other. I'm inclined to call that an attempt at getting me bandwagoned. On top of that, you ask for me to roleclaim, which serves no point whatsoever, because nobody has any reason to believe me one way or the other this early in the game. So no, I won't play your scummy games. Gumshoe skips the day post, says we should talk about policy, doesn't discuss policy, asks some questions, and then accuses the person who is easiest to attack, Acrofales. My guess as to why he skipped the day post is that he got a powerful role(blue or scum) and was excited to use it. He is either a lazy townsperson with a powerful role or scum. Overall, I think he seems a little less scummy than Mattchew. | ||
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On March 22 2012 06:10 Mattchew wrote: then MrZentor, bad reading comprehension in hand, makes a terrible post with his lead point of his slippery slope theory being untrue because Mattchew (who is awesome, sexy and lover of all townies) never even voted for Acrofales! I know you didn't actually vote for him, but you might as well have. | ||
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Let me explain this in layman's terms. Whether or not you actually voted for him is irrelevant, especially this early in the game, because of these reasons. 1. He thought you did. 2. You acted as if you had. 3. This early in the game, votes don't really mean anything. Because of these reasons, the only difference it would have made if you had actually voted for him is that you wouldn't have posted that you hadn't voted for him. Capiche? | ||
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On March 22 2012 06:41 Mattchew wrote: Let me put this in having three 21st chromosome terms. Your third point directly contradicts your first and second points Not if the two people don't know that votes this early in the game don't really mean anything. Nice try, funny guy. | ||
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On March 22 2012 06:55 Mattchew wrote: when did you become a vet? was it when you played 1 game (steamship) or when you got modkilled in XLVII and Election? I know exactly what I was doing and I know very well of voting thread. I was just pointing out that you were wrong about the third point contradicting the first. You don't have to be so mad about it. | ||
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On March 22 2012 09:33 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm fine with killing GreYMisT. I'm also fine with killing DoYouHas. Let's kill them all! Would you like to kill me? | ||
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I don't care if I die or not. I just want to know what you prefer. | ||
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On March 22 2012 19:08 Sinensis wrote: Finger of Suspicion at MrZentor. One of the first things he said in his first post is this: And something about it just doesn't sit well with me. It's as if he's defending himself before he's even said anything yet. He goes on to attack Acrofales who is nothing but pure lynch bait so far in my eyes. In he second post he says this: I'll point out below, Gumshoe does in fact discuss policy. Oberyn, who I also still have a big Finger of Suspicion at went after gumshoe for the same baseless claim. MrZentor's theory about gumshoe getting a blue role and being "excited to use it" (wtf?) is stupid. After that he gets into his pointless little tiff with Mattchew. That makes him three for three going after the posters that were the most lynch-bait-y-est early on. I have so many problems with you and this post that I will make a list about them! YEAH! 1. I always like to start the beginning of my first post with a little joke. That was it. 2. You say I attack Acrofales. The only place at which it may seem that I am attacking him is the beginning of my first post. Did you not read the rest of the post, the post where DoYouHas asks me why I think he is innocent, or the giant post after that in which I discuss why I think Acrofales is innocent? 3. You say I attack the three posters that were most lynch-bait-y-est early on. a. I didn't attack Acrofales. b. I basically started the case against Mattchew. The only person who accused him with evidence before was Acrofales, and everybody at the time just ignored him because they assumed he was a nooby mafia. c. I agree with nearly everybody that gumshoe looks scummy. In summary, you need to actually read the thread before going out and accusing people. Thanks! On March 22 2012 10:39 GreYMisT wrote: Why do you care what he prefers? and why would you just ask the unkillable 3rd party randomly if he would like to kill you? There is plenty to talk about now, its beginning to look like you are just communicated for the sake of increasing your filter. I am interesting in how he wins, so we can know how pure his motives are. I know he can't explicitly state it, but we can get an idea. If you talk just to fill your filter, you say a bunch of useless stuff and everybody assumes everything you say is just filler and never actually thinks about what said. Why would I want that? Why would I want to be like Mattchew? That is all. | ||
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On March 23 2012 06:30 Risen wrote: MrZentor pretty much made my case against mattchew/acro, but as someone pointed out earlier those two were already major targets, so it's not very impressive that he's decrying them. This seems bad to me, though. What's the point to this discussion? Somebody already asked this, and I answered him. | ||
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On March 23 2012 09:03 Mattchew wrote: he yells at me i answer his questions alongside my other posts. I still fail to see how I "tunneled" acro or anyone for that matter On March 21 2012 23:54 Mattchew wrote: ##vote acrofales On March 22 2012 03:22 Mattchew wrote: explain to me why you are not scum. you have 90 minutes On March 22 2012 03:28 Mattchew wrote: over defensive "im a noob" that doesn't want to be be put in the spotlight. look at his reaction compared to the other "noob" guy with a vote on him. its way more aggressive and emotionally angry. On March 22 2012 05:16 Mattchew wrote: where you at homeslice and why should i think you are not scum | ||
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On March 23 2012 10:18 Mattchew wrote: OMG 5 WHOLE POSTS ABOUT HIM 3 OF WHICH ARE NOT EVEN SERIOUS? NO WAYYYYY It's just the fact that you make it seem in your posts like you know he is scum that makes it tunneling. You gave him a very short amount of time to prove to you that he wasn't scum. How were you not tunneling? | ||
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On March 23 2012 10:25 Mattchew wrote: the fact that i make it seem like i know he is scum? i called him scum, its what we do in mafia games he said he'd be back in an hour i was referencing that, it wasn't serious you clearly do not know the meaning of tunneling. Talk sense to a fool, and he will call you foolish. | ||
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On March 23 2012 15:50 Sinensis wrote: I need to get to work pretty much as soon as I wake up tomorrow so I want to at the very least get my vote for today in now. Xatalos come back, I insist. I don't care if you just paraphrase some more obvious facts with the occasional smiley, I would really like to see you post more, and I would also like you to answer my question of "How many games of mafia have you played?" evantrees why do you think Mattchew is scum? Because you haven't said why yet. While I'm at it, MrZentor, I hope you'll forgive me being on your back when no one else seems suspicious of you... but why are you voting for Mattchew? This is the second time you either misinterpreted my entire post or skipped it. It makes me sad. Please try harder to read. On March 22 2012 05:32 MrZentor wrote: Hello people of Mafia! It is I, MrZentor! Anyways, I thought this started a day after it did, so I am a little late to the party. Let me tell everybody my opinion, so you can get a good read on me! First we have Acrofales overreacting to a vote that didn't have a basis. He then votes for Mattchew. Lyter defends Acrofales. Then Mattchew, bad spelling in hand, attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales I really don't like that Mattchew attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales, who I think at this point is innocent. It also seems silly that Mattchew is 100% positive that Acrofales is innocent over one nooby overreaction. If you look at Mattchew's filter, you will see he only said something slightly helpful when he was asked to; everything else is just him attacking other people without any real reason. For now, I think he is most likely to be scum. On March 23 2012 05:46 MrZentor wrote: I have so many problems with you and this post that I will make a list about them! YEAH! 1. I always like to start the beginning of my first post with a little joke. That was it. 2. You say I attack Acrofales. The only place at which it may seem that I am attacking him is the beginning of my first post. Did you not read the rest of the post, the post where DoYouHas asks me why I think he is innocent, or the giant post after that in which I discuss why I think Acrofales is innocent? 3. You say I attack the three posters that were most lynch-bait-y-est early on. a. I didn't attack Acrofales. b. I basically started the case against Mattchew. The only person who accused him with evidence before was Acrofales, and everybody at the time just ignored him because they assumed he was a nooby mafia. c. I agree with nearly everybody that gumshoe looks scummy. In summary, you need to actually read the thread before going out and accusing people. Thanks! I am interesting in how he wins, so we can know how pure his motives are. I know he can't explicitly state it, but we can get an idea. If you talk just to fill your filter, you say a bunch of useless stuff and everybody assumes everything you say is just filler and never actually thinks about what said. Why would I want that? Why would I want to be like Mattchew? That is all. I say all these things, start the case against Mattchew, and you ask why I vote for him. *facepalm* | ||
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I really wanted to kill Mattchew, but because that's not going to happen, I might as well pick the lesser of two evils and vote for Greymist. | ||
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On March 24 2012 08:41 Risen wrote: And we have our first last second swap. Twenty minutes left and layabout is still due for a lynching. Who's going to run into second thoughts magically with under thirty minutes left next! Greymist was my second choice, and I would much rather have him lynched than Layabout. | ||
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On March 24 2012 09:01 Mattchew wrote: can someone tell me why layabout is scum? I don't think anybody actually believes he is. This lynch is retarded. | ||
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On March 24 2012 09:04 Mattchew wrote: i refuse to listen to anyone that says anything like this about anyone. let alone me I really love you in a want to kill you way. ♥ | ||
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Rofl, you're such a troll. :p | ||
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On March 24 2012 16:31 Acrofales wrote: I just woke up and am going out all day, but I just wanted a quick say. Firstly, SLJ just soared sky-high in my scumometer. He was very hedgy about why he was voting for Layabout. In fact, I don't even know that there was ever a case against him, except for this: and: And that is the sum total for why SLJ started the layabout suspicion. Another vote that jumped out was the last minute switch by MrZentor. His reasoning seems fatalistic and exactly the kind of reasoning a mobster would use to voteswitch at the last second, if needed to save his scumbuddy greymist. Now I'm off. See you tonight. I want to shoot you for not even thinking about this for even a second. Let's say Greymist and I are mafia. Why would I change my vote to look suspicious to try to kill my scummy buddy? I could have just kept my vote on Mattchew and not looked suspicious. Also, my vote on Greymist makes it easy for double voters to kill him. So I make myself look suspicious to make it more likely that one of my scum friends dies? It doesn't make any sense. Let's sat Greymist is innocent, and I am guilty. I could vote for Greymist, but because we're choosing between two innocent people and don't know their roles, why should I risk my innocence to try to shift the vote? It doesn't make any sense. Let's say I am innocent. I see that Mattchew isn't going to get lynched, and it's pretty obvious that Greymist is scummier than Layabout. I switch my vote, because I want the scummier person to die. | ||
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Please ignore that. For now. | ||
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On March 25 2012 03:31 Acrofales wrote: MrZentor, you're posting a cipher, and will later give us a magical key that will read whatever the hell you like? It is almost as transparent as WBG's RNG vote. Hey guys, if I F5 the RNG often enough it'll tell me to lynch myself, trololololol! No. I have a message that I need to say later, but I need to prove that I had it now, so I decided to do it this way. On March 25 2012 03:55 Acrofales wrote: Okay. I'll start with my top scum targets of yesterday: Mattchew His posts last night actually sound to me like town, despite his trolling of me. Btw, I checked and my count was fairly right, despite being drunk. You didn't unvote your prior vote, so technically you were still voting for Oberyn. Not that it matters. Reasons he is dropping on my scumometer: was trying to make sense of the clusterfuck of a lynch and seemed to be honestly concerned about the lynch target. I am neutral on his defense of Layabout, because it is really easy for mafia to defend a townie at the last minute: they know he's town and posting something in his favour is easy as hell. I also like his final vote on Evantrees and regret my choice to try to get a lynch on Nicolas going just before I went to bed: that vote was wasted, and if I had chosen Evantrees, there's a good chance we would have lynched his useless ass, instead of Layabout who actually posted something useful from time to time. VERDICT: suspicious, but no longer prime suspect (see below). Gumshoe Posted absolutely nothing during all of yesterday, but already had his vote on Layabout from the very start! It would be so fucking easy for mafia to organize a bandwagon and tell gumshoe to shut up, because he was for some reason flying completely under the radar. WTF. In fact, why the hell did we not lynch gumshoe yesterday? GRAFADSFADSAFGDFGA. VERDICT: SCUM Zealos Was entirely absent all of yesterday. No change in opinion one way or the other. VERDICT: suspicious. Now for those who recently appeared on my radar. Greymist: it is impossible to not take Greymist into account. The problem I have with the case against Greymist is that it is almost exclusively built on derps misunderstanding sarcasm. This seems almost too easy for Mafia to jump on. I am therefore going to suggest a novel theory: Greymist is just as innocent as Layabout. I guess that sorta nullifies my earlier post about MrZentor, because it cannot be that Greymist is innocent and MrZentor is trying to protect his scumbuddy Greymist. I previously had town reads on MrZentor and the only blip was his vote for Layabout. While I still think his reason for jumping on Layabout was bad, it's probably not a scumtell. VERDICT: Greymist and MrZentor -- town. SLJ: Started the case against Layabout on wishywashy reasons. They then couldn't be bothered to hop off layabout when he was in danger, and are blaming sheeples for lynching him. This is either TERRIBLE town or TERRIBLE scum. Both seem highly out of character. My vote is actually to vig shot them and put Syllo at the very least out of his misery. VERDICT: Suspicious (together with Alderan rapidly approaching Mattchew for 2nd place on the scumometer standings), but maybe just doesn't actually want to play the game and can't be fucked. Alderan and Risen: VERDICT: sheeples. Risen's posts today and yesterday seem okay, if replete with horrible analysis. Alderan was slightly dodgy to start with and his vote for Layabout did not improve my opinion for him. Risen is probably town and Alderan is competing with SLJ for the third place on the scumometer. *facepalm* I didn't vote for layabout. I voted for greymst. In fact, I remember calling the lynch retarded before it happened, because there really was no reason to think Layabout was mafia. | ||
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On March 25 2012 04:26 Acrofales wrote: However, why do you read scum on Greymist? I didn't and still don't think he is scum, but he seemed scummier than Layabout, so there was a higher chance of him being scum. | ||
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On March 25 2012 07:49 Alderan wrote: I read this in the voice of a 13 year old on Call of Duty. Leave the trolling to WBG. | ||
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On March 25 2012 08:03 wherebugsgo wrote: Duuuuuuude don't be a killjoy, everyone can troll and be happy. This IS Game of Trolls, anyway. But nobody is nearly as good as trolling as you are. | ||
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I'm so anxious. :/ | ||
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On March 25 2012 10:08 Risen wrote: Also, wbg isn't going to leave his vote on me all day. Don't sheeple onto it if you're town, feel free to do so if you're mafia. When I flip as an eventuality of being lynched or shot at night everything I'm saying will be confirmed and hopefully town still has enough remaining to win. If you lynch acro tonight there will be 3 mafia left. If you lynch me tonight it will be 12 town to 4 mafia, going through a night with 2 kills will make it 10 town to 4 mafia, you'll lynch acro and make it 10 town to 3 mafia. Not a bad situation for town. This seems like it's a really tough game for mafia to win. Maybe b/c of wbg powers/trolling shenans it's more balanced than I can see. Well I'm mafia, so I'll vote for you! | ||
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On March 25 2012 10:46 Risen wrote: Ok so mafia knows that acro is being lynched either today or tomorrow 100%. What are they going to do now? They can't just discredit me b/c they'll have to vote to lynch me, which will lead to acro lynch day3. They can't ignore me b/c then acro gets lynched today. Maybe they've already given up on acro living past today and just want to act as pro-town as possible since the discussion today will be entirely focused on whether I'm lying or not If it's decided I'm lying, then I'm lynched and acro is gone tomorrow so all the discussion tomorrow will be useless as well, if it's decided I'm telling the truth acro is lynched today and tomorrow brings fresh discussion. Or the case I'm not bringing up because it's impossible, acro flips town and I'm therefor mafia and discussion today is pointless and discussion tomorrow is pointless as I'm the obvious lynch. Therefor, I think the best possible outcome for us is lynching acro today. When he flips mafia I'm confirmed town and we're happy as shit and in a really good spot. (Even if he flips town it gives you a free mafia lynch tomorrow, again this won't happen but town is still in a pretty damn decent position) Sums up any input I'll have today I think. Time for me to go to my movie, I'll be back later folks. Rofl, you're such a mafia. | ||
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On March 25 2012 11:36 Mattchew wrote: I'm down with ignoring risen wbg acro And mr zentos completely I don't think you are mafia anymore. In fact, Acrofales seems scummier than you. | ||
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He first suspects Acrofales. On March 22 2012 01:50 DoYouHas wrote: Acrofales reads exactly like newb scum to me from his first posts. His first post reads as already being defensive to me: And then he pulls an OMGUS on 2 different people in a very short period of time. ##Vote: Acrofales Gumshoe, wake up and read day1 carefully. We already know who Littlefinger is 100%. It is given information. Your posts are yet to actually be relevant to the game. He then talks about how Mattchew is an unhelpful town and that Greymist could be scum if he kept making small posts. On March 22 2012 08:33 DoYouHas wrote: 1. No, not really. Acro's initial posts came off as scummy for reasons I've already mentioned. His posts since have not cleared him in my eyes but they are a big step up from his starting posts. I've left my vote on him because I think he deserves to be under pressure and that pressure produced decent posts from him. Of course, now that I have explained this my vote means very little. 2. I don't like the way mattchew is posting. It is ignoring the fact that not only does he have to prove to himself that he is right, he has to prove to all of us that he is right. His style is alienating people who might agree with him which inherently reduces the value of his posts. You will notice that I am ignoring whether he is right/wrong, scum/town. That is because I don't know. In that last game I was in with him, SNMM7, he had a very similar style and was town. It was equally unhelpful then. So on one hand his meta suggests to me townie, but I find his style to be anti-town. 3. Greymist has pretty clearly aligned himself against Gum/Matt, and for Acro. He has also called BS on a number of things that I think deserved it. Honestly, I expect more from him (also, risk.nuke). Right now I have a null read, but if his trend of small posts continues that will move towards a scum read. 4. I'm going to hold off on that list for a bit. Partially so I can have more time to figure it out, and partially so I can spend more time forming my suspicions and less time defending them. He defends gumshoe and votes for Alderan. On March 23 2012 08:40 DoYouHas wrote: First off, we should stop talking about gumshoe like he is a noob, or that he is bad. He is neither. This is like his 4-5th game and in the games I have played with him he has shown he can make good analysis as well as be devious. At some point I draw the line and hold him accountable for what he says early on in a game in spite of his reckless streak. That being said, I do lean town for him currently. I just wanted to point out that, to me, it was not bad play from Grey to push gumshoe for his highly questionable early game. Also, I think Alderan is scum. More on this soon, I'll get to writing up my case. ##Unvote: Oberyn ##Vote: Alderan He also gives some good reasons. On March 23 2012 10:31 DoYouHas wrote: Why we should lynch Alderan today. First, what triggered my suspicion of him. Last game (NMMIV) Alderan blamed himself for a fair bit of the loss, citing his lack of activity as what he regretted most: I would think that this loss would be at the forefront of Alderan's thoughts this game and since he identified his activity as a major problem, I have been surprised at how passive Alderan has been so far in this game. This raised my suspicion. This suspicion was confirmed when very quickly after gumshoe posts his wall of text Alderan jumps into the thread to defend himself after having been absent for a while. This read to me as active lurking from Alderan. Especially since Alderan stated in his first post: So, Alderan has been around in some capacity at all times, yet his filter is a little bit pitiful to read. Alderan's posting this game has been an odd mix of stirring the pot and trying to cool the thread off. In regards to Acrofales, he first cools, then stirs, then defends. The post I will draw your attention to here is this one. He believes that Acro's change in attitude is the result of being reprimanded by a scumteam, but he doesn't cite what specifically in those posts made him draw that conclusion. What I find strange is that Acro's follow up posts which caused many people to back off are used by Alderan as a reason to be more suspicious. And yet after this post he attacks Mattchew for pursuing a shaky case against Acro, then ends up defending Acro after Samuel labels him as obvious lynchbait. This whole sequence makes me think Alderan isn't actually scumhunting, just stirring the pot while trying to be on the 'right' side of early conflicts. In regards to Gumshoe he stirs, cools, and becomes falsely ambivalent. It is the false ambivalence that bothers me here. Alderan's more recent posting has revealed that he has thought gumshoe is town for a while now, and that read is the basis of his suspicion of Greymist. He stated repeatedly that he wanted to wait for gumshoe to post before posting his case on Greymist, but I think this is fundamentally flawed. The core of his case (as I read it) is that Greymist is too veteran to fall for the clear lynchbait of gumshoe if he wasn't mafia. This case was clearly formed before gumshoe came back, and I am at a loss as to why Alderan needed to wait until gumshoe came back to post it. The case works under the assumption that gumshoe is town, and since Alderan is making a case with that assumption, he is biased in favor of gumshoe. Meaning that unless gumshoe came back with posts that looked completely scummy (very unlikely) Alderan's points against Greymist would hold the same value regardless of when he posted them. Then if gumshoe did come back with very scummy posts, it would be easy to recant his attacks on Greymist. So why wait? I think Alderan was playing super safe. Avoiding catching flak for posting a town read on gumshoe before gum came back. This also made Alderan's relative inactivity more palatable because he had already explained he was waiting for gumshoe before he posted more content. Alderan has spread suspicion around on a number of players, but does not actually push any of them. Lyter, Mattchew, Zealos, and yes, even Greymist. Lyter: Mattchew: Zealos: Greymist: Lots of suspicion, but no real attempts to push any of them. TLDR: Alderan's meta from NMMIV suggests that he would be more active and proactive this game than he has been. Alderan's first post and quick response to Gumshoe's points against him imply active lurking, which I see as scummy. The way Alderan dealt with gumshoe and Greymist is strange. Alderan's play has been largely passive and safe, but he still manages to throw out plenty of suspicion. Alderan's lack of pushing his suspicions shows me a reluctance to take the responsibility and attention that pushing a lynch would garner him. Let's lynch us an Alderan Then he decides to switch to evantrees, because nobody else is voting for Alderan. On March 24 2012 07:03 DoYouHas wrote: I'm willing to switch over to evantrees for today. He is the one being pushed I can support the most aside from Alderan. His early banter and focus on WBG, his unjustified vote on Mattchew, his lurking, and his acknowledging that he has been useless without showing a desire to change all make him a decent lynch choice for today. ##Unvote: Alderan ##Vote: evantrees Here he supports a good townie enviroment. On March 24 2012 09:18 DoYouHas wrote: -_-, Stop moaning about the mislynch, use the information to work out who was truly scum day1. Then he shows that he suspects risk.nuke. On March 25 2012 08:36 DoYouHas wrote: I have cooled my jets a bit towards Alderan and I now believe that risk.nuke is SCUM (note the capitals). I wanted to get that out before the day post. I'll expand on it later, but other things are getting in my way of devoting a chunk of time to case building until I get the day post for SNMMIX out there. I'll be sure to finish it before bed tonight, so stay tuned. Some if-then statements to note. If risk.nuke is scum then Greymist is likely town. If Greymist is scum then gumshoe is likely town. Unfortunately, he doesn't get to post his case against risk. The way I see it, there are three possibilities. 1. Alderan is scum, and mafia killed DoYouHas, so we forget about his suspicions.(To me Alderan seems scummier than Risk.) 2. Risk.nuke is scum, and mafia killed DoYouHas, so he couldn't give his reasons for suspecting risk. 3. They're both scum, and mafia killed him for both of the reasons above. (This is pretty unlikely.) For these reasons, I think it would be good to have a detective check them next night, and we can deal with that information after this Risen thing is settled. | ||
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On March 26 2012 03:51 Acrofales wrote: He did not even need me to react, looking at his D1 posts this was perfectly planned. It just seems I played right into his hands by doing so. Okay, so Risen is SCUM. My vote today is in the right place. Now what can we learn about last night's kills? Firstly, SLJ never visited Evantrees like he claimed he would. However, I guess he might've been blocked. I am inclined to think both kills are mafia hits, because they have the same MO. I like MrZentor's analysis of DoYouHas' death, so I'll try my hand at SLJ. My theory is that Evantrees is a paranoid gun owner. I don't think any medic would have healed him, and SLJ was definitely not lying about killing him. Mafia have 2 kills, right? They could have shot DoYouHas twice, or they could have shot him once and SLJ once. They could have had another victim that didn't die. At any rate, it's possible(and I think probable) that mafia didn't kill SLJ. | ||
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On March 26 2012 04:59 chaoser wrote: Doesn't matter, acro. due to the situation risen has created, the only way out is if both of you get lynched/shot. Anything else leaves too much WIFOM. Unless something crazy comes up, this is the most beneficial play. At the very least we should be getting one scum. Not necessarily, it's possible that Acrofales was framed. In fact, because he was a pretty good suspect for most of the beginning of day 1, it's probable that mafia framed him. Just saying. | ||
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On March 26 2012 09:47 Alderan wrote: Been running around like a chicken with my head cut off today with work. I have a couple more hours to tie up some loose ends and I'll catch up on the past 5 pages. I think you're scum. How do you feel about that? | ||
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On March 26 2012 10:19 MrZentor wrote: I think you're scum. How do you feel about that? | ||
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Perhaps we'll post more after the lynch. | ||
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On March 28 2012 01:21 Jitsu wrote: Also, real-life LOL at people who think I can sit down and read 50+ pages of a thread in one sitting after joining the game 12 hours ago when I worked last night. Shit is jokes. You're lucky you aren't replacing chaoser. Everybody thought he was scum, so the day I replaced him, they lynched me. Fun... | ||
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On March 28 2012 07:41 Alderan wrote: This isn't going to become a thing... is it? I hope it is. It's awesome. | ||
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On March 28 2012 07:57 Mattchew wrote: You can't make that joke after you partake in the retardation I can, because I did. | ||
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On March 25 2012 07:49 Alderan wrote: I read this in the voice of a 13 year old on Call of Duty. You're just mad because I know you're scum. | ||
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On March 28 2012 08:50 wherebugsgo wrote: TL Mafia: Herp Derp Edition In which everyone thinks he's a DT But some people are right. | ||
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It's a bit disappointing that I can't be trolled by WBG anymore. | ||
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