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sandroba
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March 17 2012 06:38 GMT
#110
/yo
sandroba
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March 17 2012 06:39 GMT
#111
lynch jackal day 1 pls
sandroba
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March 18 2012 22:19 GMT
#255
Hey. Let's lynch jackal just for kicks. Jonnywup I'm pretty sure is town. I kinda think VE is town too and I'm expecting him to carry me this game if his reads are half as good as they were in storm mafia. I'm confirmed town masoned with jcarl. Sup.
Vote: Jackal
sandroba
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March 18 2012 22:19 GMT
#257
##Vote Jackal58
sandroba
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March 18 2012 22:30 GMT
#262
On March 19 2012 07:22 Nemesis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 07:19 sandroba wrote:
Hey. Let's lynch jackal just for kicks. Jonnywup I'm pretty sure is town. I kinda think VE is town too and I'm expecting him to carry me this game if his reads are half as good as they were in storm mafia. I'm confirmed town masoned with jcarl. Sup.
Vote: Jackal

Oooh you're finally here. jcarl, want to confirm that claim?

And isn't that kind of contradictory? You say that Jonnywup is town and you expect VE to carry you through the game even though he thought jonnywup is scum?

Yes. What is the point of this question? I'm confirmed town.
sandroba
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March 18 2012 22:32 GMT
#264
I'm disappoint that you think jonny is mafia. Let's kill jackal gogogo
sandroba
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March 18 2012 22:35 GMT
#268
No it's pretty random. It's only fair that I should decide the lynch today since I'm confirmed town =P
sandroba
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March 18 2012 22:57 GMT
#278
If scum shoots me or jcarl they auto confirm the other and since by claiming mason we are likely town already as it is pretty retarded for scum to do this, we make good targets for medics since scum wants to get rid of confirmed town. So scum has to either risk shooting us and get blocked by a medic or to leave us alive and get screwed by the worse odds of getting lynched. Also avoids a DT wasting a check on us or a vig shooting us by retardness. If anyone is miller they need to claim right now.
sandroba
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March 19 2012 13:56 GMT
#381
People, I would like everyone to filter xsksc and tell me your opinions on him.
sandroba
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March 19 2012 17:37 GMT
#405
I changed my mind about xsksc and I'm willing to give jackal time to step up. However Snarfs dude needs to die. I played last game as scum with him as town and he went around questioning people and trying to find scum, which is not what he is doing right now. His post on nemesis is pretty retarded and now his switch to tobon does not feel genuine at all and it seems he is just trying to get his vote somewhere and try to rise the minimum amount of suspicion.
Remember people, the ones that we are really looking after are people that are actively avoiding to say anything that could be considered scummy, trying to blend in and hide, while not actually doing anything thing useful and that's what can be observed about Snarfs posting.
##Unvote
##Vote: Snarfs
sandroba
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March 19 2012 17:44 GMT
#407
Nah snarfs you just want to get rid of your vote on some random townie.
sandroba
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March 19 2012 18:00 GMT
#411
Wiggles mini mafia 2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315210&user=121695
sandroba
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March 19 2012 18:17 GMT
#424
Sigh Snarfs, if that's indeed true I'm not sure if it's allowed in the game. The thing you pointed out about johnny/tobon is a good catch, but not damning because if you know you are vanilla you don't necessarily go back to your role and look at the exact naming. Also it's possible that wbg provides scum with the true role names or just messed up on your pm since the op says Vanilla town and hosts normally use the same name to avoid this type of confirmation based on role pms to happen. Anyway I need to rethink my stance on you. Care to contribute something original in the meanwhile? You may get modkilled for that so if you are town you need to get out your thoughts quickly.
sandroba
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March 19 2012 18:22 GMT
#427
It's actually rule 11. Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. You can claim the abilities you have, but you can't use the specific phrasing of your role PM.
But I agree it's probably fair to wait for wbg to respond.
sandroba
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March 19 2012 18:37 GMT
#431
On March 20 2012 03:29 xsksc wrote:
Just woke up and caught up with the thread.
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 03:22 sandroba wrote:
It's actually rule 11. Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. You can claim the abilities you have, but you can't use the specific phrasing of your role PM.
But I agree it's probably fair to wait for wbg to respond.

If snarf does end up getting modkilled for that, who's your next best pick for a lynch?

I'm not sure I'll read the thread a couple more times. I don't really like jonny or tobon as lynches though.
sandroba
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March 19 2012 18:49 GMT
#432
TIPD I expect way higher activity from you guys. Where do you stand on who is scummy right now?
sandroba
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March 19 2012 19:46 GMT
#461
VE, who would you prefer to lynch out of jackal/probulous/dirkzor
sandroba
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March 19 2012 20:06 GMT
#475
Alright I read through everyone's filter quite some times and I think we should indeed lynch Jackal. If anyone opposes please tell me why.
He said previously he didn't have any opinion on snarfs when talking to VE, but he took 3 min to filter him this game, look at the filter I posted from the previous game, compare, think about it and come to the conclusion he is scum. I don't believe that is possible.
##Unvote
##Vote Jackal58
sandroba
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March 19 2012 20:08 GMT
#477
On March 20 2012 04:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Go read Snarfs' filter from Wiggles Mini...Sandroba posted link. Then come read his filter in this game. Just don't worry about the RolePM bullshit.

Well, what's done is done. There is no way we can just ignore info that was presented to us and pretend it never happened. Pretty unlikely snarfs is scum, no matter how he posted before =/
sandroba
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March 19 2012 20:12 GMT
#482
On March 20 2012 05:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Am I scum sandroba? Because I did the exact same thing. Is it different because Jackal had said earlier that he had no opinion?

I'm not sure yet on you. You did something in the begging that looked to me like a setup for a fake claim. Also I wouldn't lynch you day1 in this pool. Why are you so intent on saying jackal is town?
sandroba
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March 19 2012 20:24 GMT
#489
On March 20 2012 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not, I asked if I was scum. I'm just trying to figure out how what Jackal did is different from what I did, when I know I'm town.

I'm disliking Jackal's contributions to the thread and their infrequency, but his tone has struck me as town enough. I'm undecided, and as you're unwilling to lynch me D1 in this pool, so am I unwilling to lynch Jackal D1 in this pool.


The difference is that you are active and doing shit, while jackal is not. He came in made a quick case on someone to throw his vote, then quickly changed it to snarfs (who is likely town at this point) because of my post without giving it much thought then vanished again. If you have a better idea of who might be scum I'm all ears, but tobon/jonny are the typical controversial lynch bait for scum day 1. I've checked everybody else and they were all at least twice more useful than jackal.
sandroba
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March 19 2012 20:31 GMT
#491
On March 20 2012 05:10 xsksc wrote:
Sandroba, I'm up for a jackal lynch, but first I'd like your thoughts on SlOosh please.

I'm leaning town on him so far.
sandroba
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March 19 2012 21:54 GMT
#512
Hmm sloosh you were pretty happy to sheep me before and even said you looked up to my play as town. Also jackal is already lynched regardless of your vote. I don't really see the point of this post, if jackal flips town that makes you very suspicious in my eyes.
sandroba
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March 19 2012 21:56 GMT
#515
Whoever is here say yay in thread please
sandroba
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March 19 2012 21:58 GMT
#521
Do we have 7 besides sloosh? I was considering a quick switch onto him because this last post really left me with a bad taste in my mouth
sandroba
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March 19 2012 21:59 GMT
#523
Fuck no time, forget about that. Let's hope jackal flips scum. Crossing fingers.
sandroba
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March 19 2012 22:23 GMT
#538
Nah sloosh would be more suspicious if jackal flipped town actually. Must admit that was pretty lucky. Thanks town for sheeping me blindly, you guys rock <3.
sandroba
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March 19 2012 22:27 GMT
#541
Yes, but cop should only claim on a red check or to save an innocent from lynch. DT check on VE would put my mind at ease.
sandroba
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March 19 2012 22:59 GMT
#545
On March 17 2012 15:39 sandroba wrote:
lynch jackal day 1 pls

I'd like to point out that I knew jackal was scum before he knew himself he was scum.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
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March 20 2012 00:21 GMT
#550
If ve is town then scum will prob kill him since DT will prob check him. So medic consider your choice of target carefully.
Also DT can check someone else if they feel strongly about it of course.
sandroba
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March 20 2012 02:54 GMT
#593
I realize that VE bussing jackal would be very silly if he was scum, but some things about his play bothered me a lot. Number 1 is saying that "Confirmed town" stuff on his first post, which could be a setup for a mason claim later in the game had no one claimed mason (since there is no guarantee at mason role, but 4 masons would be unlikely).
2) Is calling jackal town very early which actually combined with number one is what made me look hard into jackal for real.
3) Is pressuring players I had a town read on.
4) Was spreading doubt on my claim, when I had 99% chance of being town at that point and later insisting on voting snarfs.
5) Was voting for jackal, then immediately commenting on how fast the wagon was going, which was silly after he decided himself jackal was his lynch of choice and might have made players change their vote on jackal. Really what's the point of that comment right after you decide to vote jackal?

Now VE did vote for jackal and the lynch was 7 out of 7 so I wouldn't push a VE lynch tomorrow with no scum check on him as that would be silly. Anyone not jc that didn't vote jackal is also a nice check and possibly better then VE, but I'd like to have him checked at some point.
sandroba
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March 20 2012 02:56 GMT
#594
Number 3 refers to jonny and tobon early on in the game.
sandroba
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March 20 2012 03:10 GMT
#599
Number 1 I was actually referring to the bit you called yourself "basically confirmed town", which seemed to me like a breadcrumb about being mason. And no, jackal makes that kind of posts regardless.
Also you did not explain why you thought that keeping your vote on snarfs was a good idea after he claimed. And no just because you think something is possible doesn't mean you have to say it, unless you think it is likely or adds some value to the discussion. You seemed quite eager to call jackal town based on much more meager evidence, so I'm quite surprised I got the opposite treatment when I claimed.
And to answer 5 it's pretty obvious the wagon was fast because people were sheeping whatever I was saying at that point, just like it happened with snarfs.
sandroba
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March 20 2012 03:12 GMT
#602
If anyone is dumb enough to consider I might be scum in this game I'll probably ask palmar for help on making epic videos.
sandroba
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March 20 2012 03:14 GMT
#603
On March 20 2012 12:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
The thing that makes it the most unlikely is this: if one of them flips (via vig or DT check or lynch or WHATEVER) then the other is instantly implicated. Instantly. Because in order for it to work, they BOTH have to be scum...or whichever one isn't scum could be all 'Uhh...no, that's a lie' right? So either they're both masons (because they've confirmed in-thread) or they're both scum. And in a setup where DTs AND vigs are a possibility, it would have to be some effing ballsy scum to pull a gambit like that.

That's what Sandroba meant by "confirmed town"...but regardless of the probability of it, it's still POSSIBLE, so he's actually not strictly speaking "confirmed".

Except for the fact that I got the whole thread to vote for jackal on my own. If that doesn't confirm me then I don't know what does.
sandroba
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March 20 2012 16:55 GMT
#627
@sloosh can you please provide your complete and analytical read of nemesis and tobon?
sandroba
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March 20 2012 20:18 GMT
#639
Well I say it depends on who does it and how soon into the day he does it. Pretty risky for scum to do it early =P
sandroba
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March 20 2012 22:19 GMT
#656
It's possible that town blocked you too VE. Who do you think is the best candidate for lynch today?
sandroba
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March 20 2012 22:21 GMT
#657
I read that as a claim of DT or RB, and if I do so does scum. If you wanted to breadcrumb something you needed to be a little bit more subtle nemesis. If I'm wrong please explain your change of heart.
sandroba
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March 20 2012 22:31 GMT
#662
Yeah I can agree with that. I'd like to hear arguments from everyone though, since I'm not very sure myself.
sandroba
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March 20 2012 22:32 GMT
#663
Last post was agreeing with VE about Nemesis/sloosh lynch.
sandroba
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March 20 2012 22:40 GMT
#666
I'll vote him now too, I also found him not sheeping me on jackal very weird.
##Vote: slOosh
sandroba
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March 20 2012 23:25 GMT
#675
Well I don't really think that reasoning is valid, if I was scum in this spot I'd definitely sheep whoever all town is voting in order to avoid further suspicion. It's unlikely they can stop whatever wagon we decide without risking outing themselves a lot. That's not to say sloosh must be scum because of this, but I'm convinced he is our best bet as of now and we will probably end up lynching him at a later date anyway if not now. Since mafia kp is fixed we might as well get this over with.
sandroba
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March 21 2012 03:14 GMT
#683
snarfs, dirkzor and xsk are near confirmed town status in my eyes. The rest on jackal's wagon are likely town too. So iunno.
sandroba
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March 21 2012 03:19 GMT
#684
Really if anyone can be scum on that wagon I would say you <3. Maybe along with nemesis, due to role possibilities calculation + gambit. But it's far fetched, let's see if sloosh flips scum or not first.
sandroba
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March 21 2012 16:00 GMT
#707
@SlOosh Can you please claim your role? I'm starting to get this weird feeling that you are town and probulous is scum.
sandroba
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March 21 2012 17:05 GMT
#710
SlOosh is behaving like townie right now and probulous doesn't seem to care too much about this game. I heard from someone that he is normally very good and very active. Day1 he spent the whole day bickering about your unvote on johnny and going around in circles. Also no one (besides you) really tried to keep votes away from jackal and probulous was mia at that time. His argument about slOosh trying to distance himself from jackal with that post right before the lynch does not make sense, because that post actually accomplishes the opposite.

sandroba
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March 21 2012 17:13 GMT
#712
I'm not sure. Last time it worked though ; )
sandroba
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March 21 2012 17:59 GMT
#716
Nemesis is a good candidate for scum too, but there is the possibility that he is blue and scum will kill him for us, so I'd like to kill either sloosh or probulous today.
sandroba
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March 22 2012 02:56 GMT
#801
I really wanted you guys to discuss without my influence, since I feel it's way more productive in terms of information. Also my throat hurts. I think probulous is being reasonable so far and I the thing about TIPD and jackal I did notice too. The only thing that bothers me is that this surge of scumhunting only came after being pressured into it and he normally is more proactive than this. Still I'm keeping my vote on sloosh due to lack of better options. I have no meta on most of these players and honestly it's very hard for me to find scum in this situation. Everyone should be trying to uncover stuff and pressuring players, if it comes from me I feel it's not as effective.
sandroba
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March 22 2012 03:07 GMT
#803
The everyone there means people that aren't doing shit *looks at TIPD*.
sandroba
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March 22 2012 16:50 GMT
#841
fuck it you guys know best. this game gives me headaches.
##Unvote
##Vote: Probulous
sandroba
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March 22 2012 17:18 GMT
#843
I'm frustrated with myself because I'm not sure about anything =P
sandroba
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March 23 2012 17:04 GMT
#1063
Rofl, nice work guys!
sandroba
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March 23 2012 18:09 GMT
#1070
On March 24 2012 02:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On March 24 2012 02:04 sandroba wrote:
Rofl, nice work guys!

##Fistpound

Interestingly, your single contribution (the Jackal quick-switch) might have been the most important thing in the game. Well done sir.

Wow don't down play my contributions =P. Didn't I instigate the whole probulous switch?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321159&currentpage=36#707
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321159&currentpage=36#710

But yeah, you guys did most of the heavy lifting.
##Fistpound
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