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Please for the love of all that is holy, no more riddles >_<, lol
- Draz, whyyyyy can't we elect you as Wheatley? I don't think we should give Wheatley to anyone who's likely to be mafia, and you're most likely to be town or sleeper cell to me right now. I'd feel a lot better about electing you than I would anybody else at this point... I guess I'll vote for Velinath instead if you are completely sure he's town...
- WTF is a Celtic Guardian, and how do I get me one of them fancy Yu-Gi-Oh cards??? Anyone got any ideas as to what he does??
- I'd be totally fine with a Lynch-all-liars policy on day 1 if we don't have a clear scum, and our first liar is Kenpachi... Lets hang him!!! :D
I feel like Foolishness and blzinghand are both town, and it seems like the best options for lynching right now are Dirk and Draz. Dirk only has one post so far though, and I'd like to see some more from him before I decide to drop the hammer....
I believed in Draz before, but I'm not so sure after the actions today. I think if we don't have a better target we should definitely lynch him since even if we believe his claim to be entirely accurate, he's still going to be hurting town, trying to get Gandalf (who is likely town) and trying to get items by killing people/stopping people from using items themselves.
Also, imagine for one second if we had all 5 people send him items that he wanted, but Gandalf didn't die. What would stop scum from just killing him tonight and taking all those 5 items?? Mafia already now knows that Draz has a Portal Gun... If someone from Mafia needs it, they'll just kill him and we just gave it to them for free... Everyone else PLEASE think closely before giving items to Draz...
To summarize, I think Draz's role can only hurt town in the long run because he a) will want Gandalf (town) dead and b) he just made himself a target for mafia, and wants town to help him become an even juicier target... Better to lynch him and have the items he has stay circulating within town (mostly, except for the scum that votes for his lynch)
Now, on to Wheatley. Someone else brought up that Wheatley is likely to have his win condition change mid-way. I agree with that and I think we need to have a policy to kill Wheatley at some point in the game. Maybe by Day 4/Night 4. Even if Wheatley agrees to total transparency, when his win condition changes he will have to continue to play to win, even if it involves town losing. Thus, I agree that we need to give Wheatley to someone who will remain transparent, but isn't that experienced of a player to be super dangerous, and who we won't miss when we eventually kill him. Also someone who's town.
I WANT to elect the two people I have the best town-read on (Foolishness and blzinghand) but they're both really strong and I think they'd be able to absolutely demolish town if they become third-party/mafia/their win condition changed...
Sooo, yeah, I'm sticking with keeping my vote on Velinath...
- Kenpachi: I'll vote for GlaDOS if you give me your top three town and scum reads, with GOOD reasoning, not "because I said so"
- Adam4167: You were really solid in AC... Who are your top town and scum reads so far??
On March 19 2012 03:05 Zephirdd wrote:
I assume that this include non-forum private messaging methods. I'm not sure if this includes scums can't PM eachother, but I'll assume that the main scum(the red scum faction) should have PMs allowed. I'd appreciate if mods clarified if PMs may be allowed depending on your role
VE's flip post said that the Sleeper Cell leader could send messages to his agents. Not clear how exactly, but i'm pretty sure it'd be allowed for some roles
Just woke up, catching up now...
On March 19 2012 03:14 Zephirdd wrote:
Indeed not clear, but Drazerk already said he is not an agent.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Draz is lying through his teeth about SOMETHING (if not most of the things) he's said so far. Everything he's done just doesn't add up. Also, lynching someone who's clearly becoming more and more anti-town as time passes is definitely a good call.
On March 18 2012 19:53 gonzaw wrote:
Apparently "town consensus" right now is to think Foolishness and Blazinghand are town (and have 2nd one get a lot of votes for election). It's also "town consensus" for the lynch to be either Dirk or Drazerk. I find you following this trend without any other justification very weird (i.e suspicious), even more with other players that did so as well (but meh, will get to them later when I get some sleep).
I just posted my reads. I guess if you want reasons for why I did so, so here they are...
Foolishness spoke sensibly. I agree with a lot of the stuff he's said so far, i.e.:
- Draz is very anti-town and needs to die soon
- Dirk is lurking and posting fluff, seems scummy
- People, including me, are wasting time discussing Portal
- The same few active people are posting and causing chaos, while the lurkers get to lurk
My town read on BlazingHand is based on the one/two sensible posts he made in the middle, while the rest of the time he was being... well... strange, lets just stick with strange. I had a null read on him, but he did good actual analysis/scumhunting (though I don't agree with lynching Zelblade right now, I'm definitely keeping a closer eye on him as a result), which has so far been pretty rare in this game.
I have town-reads on them both, just like I have a town-read on Jayjay now. I don't care if its sheeping the town consensus or not, I feel its just common sense :S...
On March 18 2012 19:53 gonzaw wrote:
Nothing new said here, except for the "Mafia can kill him for his items".
First, why is it bad for mafia to waste their shot on a 3rd party?
Second, how can you say "No townie should give their items to Drazerk" and use it to justify "Drazerk should be lynched so mafia have no items when they kill him"?
If no townie gives items to Drazerk, then he has no more items and is not a "juicy target". What does that have to do with his lynch? Why is that a reason for lynching him? It's something completely unrelated to his aligment and actions, you should want him lynched to "be safe".
Also, wouldn't you think perhaps that maybe a vig could hit him as well, and he (which would be town) would get all those items and (ideally) help town with them?
On this point, I thought that if Draz didn't get the items he wanted willfully, then he'll start killing/being even more anti-town to get to his win condition. I'd have no problem with a vigi hitting him either. I basically wanted him lynched/dead/something, but at the hands of town/mostly town and not mafia, ideally before he causes even more chaos than he already had.
On March 18 2012 19:53 gonzaw wrote:
I've said this before but apparently everybody loves to ignore me:
THE WHEATLEY ROLE IS NOT GUARANTEED TO CHANGE HIS ALIGNMENT MID-GAME!!
Yeah, I won't talk about this anymore since I think the Wheatley talk distracted us from actually hunting scum, except just that we should keep a close CLOSE eye on whoever gets elected Wheatley (likely to be Velinath)
On March 18 2012 19:53 gonzaw wrote:
(I guess EVERYBODY will bandwagon on Rayzor right now because he made only 2 posts, right?)
Wait wait what? You think I'm scummy, but you don't want people to wagon/actually lynch me?? Are you just setting up for the followup tomorrow or something? Or are you trying to make cases on people so not enough people vote for the majority on Draz?? This line just doesn't make sense and invalidates your post for me. I can't think of ANY reason that a town player would say that :S
On March 19 2012 05:24 gonzaw wrote:
Ehm, so what do you think about Foolishness rhymes?
Do you think they are a legit post restriction or bullshit?
If you think the former, then what do you think about mods granting Foolishness Science points for doing the rhymes? Why would a mod grant someone "gratification points" just for following their post restriction?
If you think the latter, then how do you think him rhyming helps town at all?
So, if you think Foolishness is speaking sensibly, who do you think is speaking sensibly other than him?
I really don't know what to think about the rhymes except that its AWESOME, lol... I might actually be inclined to buy that Foolishness is using a fakeclaim or something, and the fact that he chose to use it resulted in him getting gratification points. I don't think its a legit post restriction, no.
I think Jayjay, you, and Foolishness are speaking the most sense. I am also leaning town on Grackaroni and Lanaia was seeming town to me before she stopped posting as much.
The point is...that's not a "reason" to get him lynched per se, it's only a "perk" of him getting lynched.
Think of it this way: If Draz was town, and had items, then scum could have still killed him at night to get his items.
Therefore that is not a reason to get someone lynched (since he would be town).
I guess I won't ask you for ALL the reasons for lynching Draz though, since they are clearly apparent.
However, I didn't like that Dirk "bandwagon read" you posted.
Can you state reads on other people that weren't exhaustively mentioned by now?
Definitely, but Draz should ideally never have told people that he needs items. I feel that nobody should let mafia know that "hey, I need to collect all these items" because it makes them a target. The only reason this item issue actually became an issue is because Draz played really stupidly, lol.
The Dirk read definitely wasn't a very strong read, thats why I didn't vote for him... In terms of other scum reads I think a lot of the lurkers really need to step up and post. I think that ghost_403 specifically has been actively lurking, posting fluff and repeating what other people have already said. A lot of the passive lurkers, cheese, cwave, sinani, nisani, i don't really have a good enough read on yet, and they need to post more, a lot more. Otherwise i'd be fine with vigging them tonight to reduce the lurking being done
I feel like a lot of the people who have been posting actively so far seem either town or null to me. Its the lurkers who we need to worry more about.
You wanted to policy kill Wheatley, that's not just "keeping a close eye on him".
Originally with that part of my post, I was hoping to get Velinath to comment some on what he would do if his win condition changed halfway, or if he would be up for/oppose a policy kill on him to try and get a read on him. He's been surprisingly silent on anything related to his Wheatley candidacy ever since he became one of the forerunners for the role, mostly just posting defensively against Draz. Meh, guess I didn't make it clear enough.
I guess you were writting your post before I made mine before (ours are just 2 minutes apart), so its not our fault for missing my previous post.
So I suggest reading 1 post up from yours if you want that answer.
I dunno man, I don't buy that sarcasm thing... (/sarcasm)
Or is it...
Currently, voting Draz for lynch, Veli for wheatley.
Dirk seems to be contributing a bit more right now... I'm not sure if thats because he was called out for being a lurker, or whether he was genuinely away/busy... I still think he's scummy, but I'd be inclined to think there's better shots out there, and we can always lynch him tomorrow if he survives the night.
Now on to scum-hunting... Maverick32x... I think you're scum
On March 18 2012 01:30 Maverick32x wrote:
But you're actually pretty right haha. I would rather not get it because I enjoy being town, and I would be afraid of a role switch, and I know I would not be successful at that... (Which may be a reason for you guys to elect me?) Plus, I don't think I'm ready for that responsibility... so I ask not to be elected....
Starts off the game with a lot of Wheatley talk, while not contributing any candidates or anything whatsoever. However, takes himself out of the running immediately by saying he "likes playing town", while also being wishy-washy as hell so if anyone brings this up, he can say "Oh I wouldn't have minded being Wheatley", AND "Oh, I didn't want to be Wheatley"
On March 18 2012 11:04 Maverick32x wrote:
Ok, i've woken up!! And totally ninja voted really drunk when I got home and passed out...
This is what I voted:
Here is my reasons:
Drazerk- I don't think he is being entirely truthful, and I don't think a town would just kill someone the first night randomly.
Electing Velinath is complete bandwagoning. You say the right things, seem active... and realistically we don't seem to have many other options... there isn't alot to go off of for this election at least right now.. open to change though!
Forget about the ninja-vote, but he lurks hardcore after jumping on the two bandwagons with VERY vague and random reasons. The funny thing is that Draz' first-night shot was universally seen as being town-favored. It was all the shit he pulled afterwards that made him scummy/a risk to town, and that's the only point he has for voting to lynch him...
I was leaning a bit to the scum side, but my read wasn't strong enough to really make a case yet... But just now, the icing on the cake:
On March 20 2012 02:22 Maverick32x wrote:
All right! I've finally caught up with the thread completely...
I want to get off that 'lurker' list asap...
Wait, you are posting to get off the lurker list? Getting off the lurker list should just be a byproduct of active posting/being town. As scummy as that seems, I'm willing to forgive that for a bit and move on.
I'd first like to look at bit more at this Foolishness/Dirk thing that has kind of been brewing. I know there has been some back and forth on this, but one thing that really stuck out to me, was why did Foolishness target Dirk out of all the lurkers? (myself included). There have been plenty of fluff posts, yet he stuck to him... I also think that his post restriction is probably madeup, but that really shouldn't be something we dwell on, since it really doesn't matter if it is, or isnt....
If Dirk is scum, this seems like a pretty weak attempt at protecting him. Yes, there have been a lot of fluff posts, but theres no reason for Foolishness not to pressure someone that seemed scummy and had only one post that was pure fluff and achieved nothing at the time. I don't think Foolishness actually expected a wagon to form around Dirk, but it was good pressure, and it did end up getting Dirk to eventually post/contribute more. I don't buy that any sane person could think that Foolishness had no reason for targeting Dirk...
The death of Drazerk gave us a lot more information than I think we are considering... it appears that there are a lot of roles that exist in this game and different factions. We know there are some Sleeper Cell Agents that exist.. and we know there are 3 "Beings of Great Power" that remain... I have a strong feeling that those 3 beings really want that Destablization Engine, and Ganzow may of painted a target on his back with that latest post... I'd be curious as to what other purpose this item provides.
I think all of these things have been considered already, really, and he ends up using a full paragraph to say nothing really relevant...
How are we going to start looking for Scum? We've been REALLY hung up on 3rd party/items/roles etc. and really haven't focused in on our TRUE objective?
As for my personal scum reads:
I sadly have pretty much none besides the lurker list, and that isn't very convincing at all for me.. I'm worried that a lot of third party people are trying to get their objectives met (Kenpachi) and don't care about town objectives at all...
Alright, wtf. You want people to hunt for scum, but the only analysis you have in your own post is about 3rd party/items/roles... Then you go on to not actually hut for scum and say that so far in the game you have NO scum reads? I find that more than a little bit hard to believe... This part of your post makes me VERY suspicious of you, the only real post you've made so far that had anything of substance, and it seems scummy as all f*ck...
If it was day, i'd have put a vote on you. Fortunately, it isn't, so you have a chance to come back here and actually scum hunt and make me believe you're town. Hop to it...
I am disappoint
@Jayjay: Thanks for letting me know this was Mav's 2nd game... I hadn't considered that...
@Mav: GAHHH the formatting, it burns (j/k, lol)
I want you to actually contribute... Who are a few of your scum reads? Who do you think vigis should shoot tonight? Something... Anything, really...
Kitaaaaaaaaaa... You killed me again... I thought we were friends :'(
On April 07 2012 05:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On April 07 2012 05:00 kitaman27 wrote:
I've decided to start offering my services to teach players how to play pro-town.
Read all my raving reviews!
This post is so full of win. Can I take lessons?
A few of those were mine, lmao... I had so much fun trolling the obs QT pretending to be town, lmao