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On March 24 2012 11:53 Adam4167 wrote: Mementoss, I can see you actively posting in Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia IX, yet you have said zero in this game since joining it two days ago. Mementoss filter in Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia IX There are far too many scummy people in this town, my kingdom for a multi-lynch. Or a multi-shot vig cannon. This thread is so fucking hard to follow, ima go through some filters of the popular suspects, then if none of them really look scummy to me I'll keep looking till I find something that stands out, and make a vote post for it. | ||
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Nisani: -spams up the thread early -Never has really made an analysis case on anyone, here are his two reasons for voting as he did before: On March 21 2012 09:25 Nisani201 wrote: I also think that Dirk is scum because he I feel like a lot of his posts are misguiding discussion of the thread. He hasn't posted any of his reads. . On March 22 2012 00:26 Nisani201 wrote: I'll keep my vote on him for now, but I'd like to see a votecount to see if a switch to Bluelightz is still viable. I would be ok with lynching him instead of Dirk. On March 22 2012 07:17 Nisani201 wrote: Putting my vote on Bluelightz as well. There was much more discussion about Dirk throughout today and I had no idea that Bluelightz had more votes than him. ##Vote: Bluelightz -Basically just straight up says im bandwagoning, states hes willing for either but never explains why he thinks either are scum or why he leaned Dirk over BlueLightz. On March 24 2012 15:26 Nisani201 wrote: Alright since it's very likely I'm going to die soon I'm going to claim. I am the inventor. I can invent anything and give it to anyone, but I can't give to the same person twice. I gave myself the security camera n1. I won't say who I gave the puppet strings to but I can tell what they do. You target someone and all actions done against you are instead done to the puppet. You can also kill the puppet. It works just like the puppet master role in ptp2. If you need more confirmation I will let someone else decide what I invent tonight. Last resort to keep himself alive is claim a power role, if he is in with another scum that is the inventor, then this ploy can get them to invent whatever is requested. Basically giving him a "confirmed town" look. Also is wishy washy says he recieved camera night 1 in this post and in an earlier post says he recieved it day 2. Here is his reasoning for never making a big case: On March 22 2012 00:26 Nisani201 wrote: My play in this game is different for a lot of reasons. Mainly because I'm more active in mini games because the thread is Recently I've been trying to avoid analyses in big games because most of them suffer from confirmation bias; it's very easy to take anyone's filter and twist what they say to get an analysis (read TL Mafia XLII if you want to see a game where this happened a lot). . Do we really need someone like this? Seems like someone whos scared to stand out and have an opinion sounds like scum to me. Seems like hes scared of being "wrong" and lynching a townie, if he bandwagon lynches a townie the attention stays away from him. For now: ##Vote: Nisani201 | ||
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1. I dont know how to exactly play in a game yet that has so many people its hard to analyse and its hard to not have your posts just buried. 2. I have a very pro town role, and have never played a pro-town role before. Only vanilla. I didn't want to fuck up in posting and ruin the town by getting myself killed. I actually have stuff to do at work for the majority of the day now but will be back around the end of the day to explain this further. I just felt I should get these two things out of the way before going off as a lot people are starting to want to kill me for my lurkiness. | ||
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So basically here is what my role does. I have access to some kind of Computer Terminal which allows me to equip personality cores into it which then later give an option to use an ability at night. In my role PM I was given 2 personality cores. Lania's Night 1 action was to equip these cores. These cores were the following, Curiosity Core and the Morality Core. The Curiosity Core allows me to track someone, and the Morality Core allows me to use a medic ability. Only one ability may be used per night. Also I can equip new cores at night if they are given to me, however that is my action for the night. These are all the cores in the game. Morality, Curiosity, Anger, Dampening, Space, Intelligence, Adventure, and Factual. My role PM states that if all the cores are equipped something will happen, but it gives no clue to if its good for town or mafia or third party. I really have no idea what it does, but its not a part of my win-con so I didn't really look into that much. As fishing for items coulda got me killed/If I did equip all the cores, who knows what could happen. Night 2 I medic protected Dirk. Why? There generally seemed to be a lot of hostility towards Dirk, while I thought he was thought to be pretty townie, because of his role to be able to create this side thread. And the cases on him overall were pretty weak. It looked like he was attracting a vig shot, and I didn't want a townie to die. Maybe this is bad judgement? But it was the best idea I could think of, as that side QT could be a good way of getting information you couldn't in the thread otherwise/pass around scum hunting ideas/plans. So here I am, stuck with this role, trying to catch with 60 pages of spam and mechanics talk, with a touch of analysis thrown in there. I looked into the most popular lynch cases at the time, just to decide which one I thought was best for a vote, I looked in the general part of the thread to see who was trusted and who was not trusted, then went through filter to make an opinion on that. It is hard to post when you are not confident in your reads and yourself, and generally just are confused at the state of the game. Why did I claim? Because it looked like people were going to waste a vig shot on me double hurting the town. And I feel like I haven't been helpful really at all to the town, other than saving Dirk's life. I feel that maybe claiming could allow people to give me advice/ make me a more useful member to the town. | ||
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You guys can pick what I do tonight, I honestly don't have a clue. | ||
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Night 2: Medic Grack, no idea why it didn't save him. Just speculating about the Paper ability, or an unclaimed vig shot, or maybe Mafia KP higher than expected at this point in the game. Night 3: Medic Dirk. Kita claimed a shot, and Dirk survived. As far as I know I don't think people I medic are aware of it. It doesn't say anywhere that they are, it doesn't say anywhere that they are not. I don't know why Dirk chose me to be in the QT, ask him. If you want further proof of my role, give me some tracking/medic ideas, obviously not just 1, or people will avoid them. I will provide a report the following day. | ||
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I posted my claim in there before out here. Because I wanted to see if people thought it was a good idea to claim in the actual thread, so I don't get picked off. Nobody responded so I just decided I might as well post it here since, I sorta lead you on earlier today that I was going to tell you. On March 27 2012 03:54 kitaman27 wrote: You don't find it remotely suspicious that Palmar is interested in masoning you, a player with one games worth of experience, rather than someone like Foolishness? Could you provide all the chat logs that he had with you? Ask him about it, I don't know what hes thinking. Does he have any sort of restriction on who he can invite? Don't really know tbh. | ||
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Morality: Medic Curiosity: Track Anger: Dampening: Space: Intelligence: Adventure: Factual: | ||
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If I remember correctly Wheatley was the Intelligence Dampening core, could it be that equipping both of those cores revives wheatley? I don't know. Could be possible? | ||
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I have 2 questions however, Can you tell what the core does/the name of it or is it only me that knows when I acquire? -And is now an appropriate time to explain the scrambled lettering? | ||
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** Welcome to Aperture Mafia! You are the Aperture Science Thermal Discouragement Beam! Each night, you may target a player and deal 1/2 kp to that player. The target is not alerted of taking this damage. The 1/2 kp persists throughout the game. You may also carry out kills on behalf of aperture science in the place of using your powers( you may perform both if you are the last remaining member). Your personal kill flavor is: “Was Discouraged.” Paperscraps was shot by Kita. So it works. | ||
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On March 27 2012 22:52 Maverick32x wrote: Kita.... What core do you have....-_-... On March 27 2012 05:13 kitaman27 wrote: The core is described as broken and it says it doesn't want to interact with me. Not sure what it does. Not sure if it gives him the name of the core or not. If he trusts me he can give me the core and I can see if it works/ has information when I have it in my possession. | ||
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I have no idea of its function unless I equip it. All it says is something about cake for description not a very helpful clue? It is the "Intelligence Core". | ||
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Maybe if installed it gives me the power to be able to make Delicious Cake (Cakes?) or have a similar ability to Delicious Cake (making someone not be able to post for 24 hours). As mentioned earlier in the thread I don't know if its worth the no night action to equip new cores. | ||
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As for the lynch tonight, since the kita flip, I think its pretty safe to say that we can trust him. I like the idea of going after the rest of Kita's list as we have a 66% chance of getting anti-town player. I will go into the filter of each and see which seems to be the best lynch target for the night. Right now they all seem pretty useless and lynching any of them will provide good for the town. | ||
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Kenpachi: Doesn't post often. When he does post it is usually 1 liners. A good portion of those posts are trying to get the town to vote Glados, at this point I don't even know if it's part of his role, or if he's trying to derail the town. Or just plain trolling. Nothing much else to say here, other than if he is town, he is certainly not helpful. Shitty town, or sleeper cell BlubbDavid: Out of the 4 people kita checked. Blubb stated wiggles was clearly the most town, when his play never reflected this. Then he flips cell leader. Then afterwards before Kita died, wanted to use the scatter gun against him, even though it seemed clear he most likely was town aligned, after killing the Mafia GF and also was not lying about the colour radiator. Seems scummy to me, the reasoning didn't make sense and he didn't explain it. His whole filter seems to be him jumping back and forth on people who we should kill. Note there is never a clear target. This seems scummy to me. Scum or cell (trying to defend sleeper cell leader) DirkHardpec Lurks harder than even kenpachi. Pushing for a Nisani lynch. Is currently on fire. Has access to the telepathic QT, which doens't seem like scum ability or flavour per say. Him being on fire could mean he could die tonight. But we cannot know for sure. So if we are not lynching him for this reason alone I think that is a mistake. Is a bit active in the tele QT, but not much. Seems uninterested. Cell or bad town Out of those three I think the blubbdavid lynch is the safest as I think he is either cell or scum for sure. I would think dirk is most likely cell, and kenpachi is most likely just playing a bad town game. However I would like to mention one more case, as we don't have to lynch these people at all. Because foolishness has the scatter shot, I think this would be a perfect spot for him to shoot, as it doesn't work unless he gets 2 oppositely aligned players. Which is guarenteed shooting into this three pack. Nisani Ghost earlier brought up an issue, him giving the colour radiator to hassy, coulda been working with scum, letting paperscraps shoot him and aquiring the colour radiator, thus wasting it. Luckily kita go the kill and used the colour radiator accurately. Now he has invented something the town reccomended but in the wrong way. It will either be a good item, or useless. Its a low risk, item, but has a low chance of being good for the town. (if it duds out) Also had a lot of scum vibes coming from him before he even claimed inventor. I also think town is in a good spot right now it seems, and the only thing that can bring it back for scum, is a poorly designed invention in the wrong hands. Leaning scum inventor to me, that just got caught in the act when kita acquired the colour radiator meant for paperscraps. I would like a Nisani lynch, and allow foolishness to use his item with no chance of it not working on the 1/1/1. ##Vote: Nisani Also I have travelling to do tommorrow, so I wont be around all day. Will try to drop in and will switch my vote if its needed for a majority. | ||
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I never said I was final on that vote, I said if I seen any better reasoning/plan I would change. And who is this "confirmed scum" you speak of? Only scum would know who scum are. I don't understand what you are talking about here. | ||
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Rather than I thought the orginal idea was it would kill one regardless and if the second shot was fired on the same faction only the second shot wouldn't go through. So that we could at least confirm the second shot, without risking killing two townies. | ||
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Damn that Kenpachi situation sucks. I was so curious to what it did, but damn the timing really puts the town in an awkward situation. But, a win is a win for him I guess QQ. That being said, since I have a condition that is not told to me about acquiring all the cores, I would like people to refrain from giving me them so I dont collect them all, in case its similar to a Kenpachi win con. I have been gone that last couple of days so i need to re-read the last few pages to try and figure out using the newly acquired information from the night kills, and re-examine the filters of remaining players. Will try to get a post tonight, at latest tommorrow mornin. | ||
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That leaves, Nisani, Maverick, and Phagga. Nisani: Currently reading Null for me. As stated before many times, Role=! alignment. People are saying this towards me, along with well if he is town wouldn't he have been night killed already? The same exact case could be made against Nisani. Except stronger because he has a more powerful power. His colour radiator turned out great for town, but looked weird how it paper (mafia) killed hassy to obtain it, and it was only by luck Kita got it through night shot. Then the scatter shot was created wrong, and given to foolishness (who seems okay in my books). I don't think it was used last night, or did not go off judging there was no 2 flavours the same. Then the one-shot detective was invented and given to Kenpachi. This seems reasonable as he was confirmed town, from the colour radiator. However, since he was confirmed town he coulda easily been a target of Cell/mafia. Wasting the item. Now kenpachi wins and is ejected with his item. Wasting the item. There was no way anyone coulda guessed this so I am not putting Nisani at fault. In conclusion it seems that Nisani is listening to the towns suggestions and is trying to work with the town. However, some questionable mistakes make him seem not completely okay. Last 2 items have effectively done nothing, and the colour radiator in the hands of mafia coulda really shook the town in the wrong direction luckily it went to kita. Maverick: Note his filter is very short, (barely longer than mine despite me missing a lot of the start) Alot of his filter is based on asking who has what item, and claiming roles, and trying to figure out roles, rather than scum-hunt or even pressure. Ocassional posts his opinion on people but he is never the first on this and usually just takes the general idea others have given. Consistently tries to confirm his night actions (his tracking item/giving me the core) to show hes not lieing, in a desperate attempt to prove his innocence. Along with his general lurkiness this just feels really scummy to me. Voted GlaDos. Which is not very telling as a lot of people voted for Glados. I just want to mention that town was in a seemingly good position. Voting GladoS imo, seems risky and a desperation move as noone knew what it did, and since the number of scum is probably really low, a risky action could bring them back in the game. Which getting rid of kenpachi and lowering the town number really gave scum a better chance now. On April 01 2012 11:56 Maverick32x wrote: Phagga- No good read on this guy.. makes list.. bandwagons.... not a whole lot of 'pro-town' going on there... If it were up to me to vote right this second.. I'd go with Phagga. His reasoning for voting on phagga is because he doesn't have a good read, and he makes lists and bandwagons. Problem is this is right after Mavericks list, oh and also, maverick has been bandwagoning his votes all game. Maverick is the last scared scum. Phagga: Reason he seems suspicious is because he puts a case on me, that could easily be said about Nisani as well, yet he doesn't say it about Nisani. Says Nisani seems pretty town to him. Also, bases me on not giving my reads. Well recently I have trying to give my reads/opinions on whatever I think/ lynch candidates. Keep in mind I was a replacement 60 pages in. That is more I feel you could say about Maverick who has been here all game. I would re-look at his filter. He makes a good point that the gun might not have been used last night. (coulda been a dud too) And that foolishness could be a cell trying for an insta-win with the gun. This could just be a ploy to get the attention of cell off his own back as well. Although, he generally seems to have the same thoughts as me with what I am thinking about certain townies. Leaning cell, or town. At this point I think cell is either him or foolishness. However, I think is more important to kill off the mafia, as we are not even sure if sleeper has KP left. ##Vote: Maverick32x | ||
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I feel right now that I am getting targeted for being bad town, rather than being scummy. The votes are all easily floating to me, as the remaining scum (most likely a mafia and a sleeper) would rather not use a night KP on me, when they can just bandwagon me out on the lynch. Most people aren't even explaining how I am more suspicious than anyone else that should be on the radar. There just like Mementoss? Seems like a decent lynch tonight. Probably looking to get rid of me now than ever, since the last 2 nights Nisanis haven't worked/couldn't be used, I am now more favourable to the town. Also I have just come into possession with new cores (equipped last night as action), Factual and Intelligence. Which just by name seem a lot more powerful than the medic/track I had before (haven't used very successfully). So if I die, I will most likely be the towns last blue, and it will be 3-1-1. If sleeper has KP left this game could be over after the night cycle. | ||
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At best another townie will be killed, at worse its end game. Also you lose my DT for the night, if mafia decides not to kill me. (Factual core anyone?) At least you make mafia decide between me soaking a shot because im blue, or killing someone with town cred on the right track. If your mafia congratz on leading the whole town down shit creek. If your town, you should really take a look at your game-play again, as the day where the lynch is most important has been wasted on tunnelling rather than discussion/analysis of everyone. That being said, I'm back to work and off to dinner afterwards. So I might not be able to further post after this, if I end up dead. GL town I think your gunna need it. | ||
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Also it seems weird to me that JJ pretty much single handidly have been deciding which inventions Nisani makes, (colour radiator, scatter shot, attempted Cursed Crown). Also what is the point of giving Maverick the portal gun, its completely random. He can't even use without night action. It almost seems like your trying to make a game winning move, by saying you have to do this to prove your town. If you don't your not town. While if you were scum and it all went correctly it would almost insta-win the game for you. I still don't think your scum based on these actions alone, as your track record before was pretty good. Aside from Dirk was wonky but I made the same mistake of judging him. As for my opinion on the invention Im not sure yet. I see your point of bodyarmour being risky in the sense if scum gets it. But it seems hard to make an invention that can't be abuse by scum getting it. IE fake claims n such. Since I don't trust anyone being town 100% its hard to really decide. | ||
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Also I got the space core after foolishness self sacrificed himself. He either just sent it to me, or it automatically went to me cause its useless to everyone else. | ||
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JJ is confirmed not mafia, not that I was ever suspecting him as mafia. | ||
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I'm pretty sure its 3-1-1, sleeper has no KP. Nisani - Cell Phagga - Mafia Maverick, JayJay, Mementoss - Town Give JayJay some sort of Bulletproof vest cause I can't target him twice in a row with medic. Mafia will know this for the guarenteed kill and probably go after him unless he acquires some sort of item. | ||
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It makes no sense that he was able to protect everyone. It says nothing about that in his flavour. Do what you want, all I know is I was notified of a successful protect on JJ. I can provide Phaggas role and alignment from that factual core tonight. And let you guys know tommorrow what his motivations are. Mafia only has 1 KP. You mislynch here, mafia uses KP, its 1-1-1. I think the safest bet is to kill off Nisani, as the most probable final Cell. Let me investigate Phagga's role and alignment. I will tell everyone his exact role. Then if he comes up mafia we can win. Day: 3-1-0 Assuming Nisanis cell Night: 2-1-0 Assuming mafia gets successful hit Day: I tell you Phaggas role flavour and alignment, since I already know I am town and if Nisani comes up sleeper, JayJay is town. That leaves either Maverick or Phagga for last lynch for the win. Depending on what I come back with. | ||
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Going on Keiths Brewary Tour now. Drink all the beers! ![[image loading]](http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/073/c/6/gee_gee_gee_gee_gee_gif_by_coloursoftherainbow7-d4spog8.gif) See you guyz in other games. | ||
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Cant give enough thanks to all the work of the hosts and cohosts organizing/balancing and keeping this game going. Absolutely amazing so much good work here. So fun, interested in reading everyones thoughts on it. Didn't have the greatest game, but sure had some fun  .Edit* my role was awesome and not used to its full potential | ||
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