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On March 23 2012 00:43 Companion Cube wrote:I just caught up on the thread. I also think we should be lynching Wiggles tomorrow. If you need my reasons you can refer to the case I made: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120¤tpage=62#1231I also think Palmar is scum for dodging my questions about Wiggles. I'm too tired to make a big post about him right now though. Expect something later. 
why are you the companion cube kita? I feel betrayed.
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On March 22 2012 00:26 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 00:01 Adam4167 wrote:Nisani, when I compare your filter in this game to your filter in NMM1 ( Nisani in NMM1), its like two different people. Nisani in NMM1 is also lurking and has a small filter, but you can see he genuinely cares about the direction the game is heading. He is also supremely confident in his reads. Now comparing that to this game, you seem disinterested, your reads are lacking in confidence, and you seem to be happy just to let things unfold however they do. Can we expect a case that requires some form of actual effort? such as: This CaseYou played well in NMM1, even if you were lynched by town. If that nisani doesn't come back soon, I will happily vote to see you swing. I am off to bed, its 1:30am here. Ill set my alarm so I am here before the lynch to put my vote somewhere meaningful. My play in this game is different for a lot of reasons. Mainly because I'm more active in mini games because the thread is shorter. Also, there's not much to talk about this game-- as I've mentioned earlier, this is pretty much a repeat of Day 1 because it's impossible to draw information from Drazerk's lynch. Recently I've been trying to avoid analyses in big games because most of them suffer from confirmation bias; it's very easy to take anyone's filter and twist what they say to get an analysis (read TL Mafia XLII if you want to see a game where this happened a lot). On Dirk: he's posted his read, which is what I was looking for before, but the analysis seems butchered like I mentioned above and it seems like he picked a random filter and pointed at random flaws in it. I'm going to trust that Palmar revealed himself by accident and it wasn't a trick to get us to pull votes off of him. I'll keep my vote on him for now, but I'd like to see a votecount to see if a switch to Bluelightz is still viable. I would be ok with lynching him instead of Dirk.
At that time the vote count was:
Lightz 5
Dirk 3 (including himself and Sinani)
Kenpachi 2
Kita 1
Ghost 1
Wiggles 1
When Nisani voted he tied the vote count 2-2. He MUST have seen that this is a close one. You make a big post like that and ask for a vote count? I want you guys to look at the voting thread around 00:00 march 22. Just take a brief glimps, 10 seconds, you immediately see that the vote is nowhere near decided. What you don’t see is a stong mayority for dirk. The last 5 votes at that time were NOT dirk. This is bullshit.
You mention that the only reason that you don’t voteswitch is that you don’t know if a switch is viable? With like 10 hours to go? This is already not towny. And you take the time and make a larger post like you did (which took at least 5 mins to write) and never mind to justify your reason by looking at the voting thread for 10 seconds? Really?
I don’t buy it. You just want to avoid lynching your GF.
Your posts have been oneliners all over the place, your accusations are week. Your answer to me calling you a vig target is “Why am I a target” and then you disappear again?
You say you are suspicious of lightz early on?
On March 21 2012 09:33 Nisani201 wrote:
Kenpachi you are right. Bluelightz does not look town either. And in the past, I've found that chainsawing Sinani has been really useful for finding scum so he goes on my scum list.
I still want to lynch Dirk though.
This is the only time you mention him. That’s randomly dropping a name. That’s not pushing or anything. No one even read that. The last line is your real intention.
Remember this post if I die tonight. Nisani needs to be vigged or lynched.
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it's a smurf with no powers.. why are we even talking about this? what are the upsides?
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On March 23 2012 01:31 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 01:13 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 22 2012 00:26 Nisani201 wrote:On March 22 2012 00:01 Adam4167 wrote:Nisani, when I compare your filter in this game to your filter in NMM1 ( Nisani in NMM1), its like two different people. Nisani in NMM1 is also lurking and has a small filter, but you can see he genuinely cares about the direction the game is heading. He is also supremely confident in his reads. Now comparing that to this game, you seem disinterested, your reads are lacking in confidence, and you seem to be happy just to let things unfold however they do. Can we expect a case that requires some form of actual effort? such as: This CaseYou played well in NMM1, even if you were lynched by town. If that nisani doesn't come back soon, I will happily vote to see you swing. I am off to bed, its 1:30am here. Ill set my alarm so I am here before the lynch to put my vote somewhere meaningful. My play in this game is different for a lot of reasons. Mainly because I'm more active in mini games because the thread is shorter. Also, there's not much to talk about this game-- as I've mentioned earlier, this is pretty much a repeat of Day 1 because it's impossible to draw information from Drazerk's lynch. Recently I've been trying to avoid analyses in big games because most of them suffer from confirmation bias; it's very easy to take anyone's filter and twist what they say to get an analysis (read TL Mafia XLII if you want to see a game where this happened a lot). On Dirk: he's posted his read, which is what I was looking for before, but the analysis seems butchered like I mentioned above and it seems like he picked a random filter and pointed at random flaws in it. I'm going to trust that Palmar revealed himself by accident and it wasn't a trick to get us to pull votes off of him. I'll keep my vote on him for now, but I'd like to see a votecount to see if a switch to Bluelightz is still viable. I would be ok with lynching him instead of Dirk. At that time the vote count was: Lightz 5 Dirk 3 (including himself and Sinani) Kenpachi 2 Kita 1 Ghost 1 Wiggles 1 When Nisani voted he tied the vote count 2-2. He MUST have seen that this is a close one. You make a big post like that and ask for a vote count? I want you guys to look at the voting thread around 00:00 march 22. Just take a brief glimps, 10 seconds, you immediately see that the vote is nowhere near decided. What you don’t see is a stong mayority for dirk. The last 5 votes at that time were NOT dirk. This is bullshit. You mention that the only reason that you don’t voteswitch is that you don’t know if a switch is viable? With like 10 hours to go? This is already not towny. And you take the time and make a larger post like you did (which took at least 5 mins to write) and never mind to justify your reason by looking at the voting thread for 10 seconds? Really? I don’t buy it. You just want to avoid lynching your GF. Your posts have been oneliners all over the place, your accusations are week. Your answer to me calling you a vig target is “Why am I a target” and then you disappear again? You say you are suspicious of lightz early on? On March 21 2012 09:33 Nisani201 wrote:
Kenpachi you are right. Bluelightz does not look town either. And in the past, I've found that chainsawing Sinani has been really useful for finding scum so he goes on my scum list.
I still want to lynch Dirk though. This is the only time you mention him. That’s randomly dropping a name. That’s not pushing or anything. No one even read that. The last line is your real intention. Remember this post if I die tonight. Nisani needs to be vigged or lynched. I skimmed the voting thread. The fact is that there was a lot more discussion in the thread about DIrk than Bluelightz, so I thought that he was more likely to get lynched then Bluelightz. And I wasn't randomly dropping a name in that other post. What more do you want than "he goes on my scum list"?
you skimmed through the voting thread? orly? and 3/13 votes splashed so hard into your eyes that you were overwhelmed? No sir, I don't buy it.
I don't care what you said in that 2 lines. But it was a two line post and it ended with "I still want to lynch dirk though. " Not good enough.
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On March 23 2012 01:38 Nisani201 wrote:
...and that's why you think I'm scum?
yea that came totally out of the blue, I never called you scum before and your filter looks town as shit.
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On March 23 2012 01:40 Nisani201 wrote:
Just because I wanted to lynch Dirk more than Bluelightz doesn't mean I'm scum. I'm not trying to take credit for the Bluelightz lynch. Would you still think I were scum if I had kept my vote on Dirk?
I wanted to kill you before and now I caught you lying.
Your defense on somebody else's post on you was something like I was suspicious of blue before, so you try to get towncreds for that.
yes of course, I'd still think you're scum, if you had your vote on dirk. But the excuse for not voting lightz was a blunt lie and that's why I am even more certain now.
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alright guys, I am hitting the gym, won't be around until curfew.
remember: Nisani = scummy liar with no content and no cases.
see you on the other side.
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Ok sinani was supposed to be hit noooow. Whats your claim bro? I doubt you were mediced...
Will explain the timing stuff wheb I get home...
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The burned to death thing only targets lurkers. At least thats what I believe. thus the willz kill. interesting that dirk is alive...
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On March 23 2012 08:11 Velinath wrote:
ghost, please confirm receipt of item
Why on earth would you give him an item out of all players?!
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On March 23 2012 08:18 Velinath wrote:
Because I believe him to be town especially reading what he had to say in his defense.
Ghost is your BIGGEST town read right now? are you kidding me?
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First stop: My Vig shot
Ok here’s what happened. My role PM basically says I can send a shot in the future at any time and that the shot will connect the “next night (with the daypost)”. I used my ability night one and was under the impression that the daypost was used as an orientation and the shot would hit with the one. So I claimed my shot when Sinani was still alive. iGrok sent me PM then that my shot would connect next night and the daypost here doesn’t matter. This was not entirely my fault, the role PM doesn’t really make that clear…
I was like “great”. I had already announced that Sinani has been saved and couldn’t get my ability back. I knew that Sinani could be easily saved if he knew, when the bullet would came, which is why I tried to create a mystery when it would hit, but I guess that didn’t work out.
There’s also the small possibility that the mods forgot about my ability…I PMed them, but I don’t think that’s likely.
Sorry how this worked out, like I said, I misunderstood my PM and it could be read in two different ways. So Sinani what’s it gonna be? Saved? Denial of hit? Vig? BP?
For those of you, who don't believe that story: Why would I make so much stuff up to delay his lynch for one day? Yea, it doesn't make sense.
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Second stop: My interaction with dirk
Dirk doesn’t give a freaking shit about this game, right now he has no use. I’ll just say what I know and you’ll understand more.
Dirk is a mason. I was invited for telepathic testing D2. Masoning is a town role to me normally. However, I was advised in the PM to use an alias and that scum and thirds may have those abilities too. If dirk was cell, he’d probably try to invite his cell buddies and wouldn’t have invited me. I rule that out myself. Can't be sure for third and scum though.
So how do I know it is actually dirk? I don’t, but I am almost sure, since the exact foolishness case was posted by him in the QT before it was in the thread.
D1 invite was blazinghand. They talked a bunch, but nothing to exciting.. Dirk won’t talk to me for some reason, though.
The mason circle persists even when dirk is dead, which is why I didn’t want to kill him yesterday, I hope I get another player to play with in that QT. This will almost certainly help town. If he does invite someone, I will NOT say who is in there for obvious reasons.
What I find interesting is that the burned to death flavor might be some sort of lurker bane and dirk didn’t post all night. Hmm, maybe overall posts are too many…
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Veli: I can’t believe that Ghost is your biggest Town read. What for? It’s hard to see him as town overall, but your strongest town read? Come on! Trying to figure out why you did that.
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Random thought: Why is Grack marked green and the others blue, if he has an ability too?
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Kita, so did you visit gonzaw that night? Or what?
It's late, so don't blame me for text errors.
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On March 23 2012 09:25 Velinath wrote:
@Jay: Maybe I read more into ghost's defense than you did, but I thought it made sense.
Obviously you think you have better reads than me, and that's cool, but I made a call. I didn't give him anything that could kill someone, for what it's worth.
I don't think, I have better reads than you, where did you read that? I just question your ghost read and want to know why you think he's town over a bunch of other players. And why didn't you use the item yourself?
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hmm oook.
I also want to add that the Mason QT has 17 individual viewers, so either scum or obs qt is watching...might be a little much for scum only though...
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yo friends, I don't have much time tonight, will be temporary moving. So here's the deal:
Nisani and Sinani are the best lynch candidates for miles. I'll go with Nisani though for the following reasons:
I made some posts on him earlier, check them out. He lied about why he not voted lightz this by itself is a justification for the lynch. If you didn't read why he was lying: he made a kinda big post and stated in it that he wants a vote count to see if a switch to lightz is viable. Lightz leaded with 5-3dirk(with sinani)-2-1-1-1. The last 5 votes were not dirk. so 3/13 votes convinced him that a lynch was questionable? With like 10 hours to go?
He again claimed after pointing that he skimmed through the voting thread. Lying. Again. This is just not wanting to kill the gf. Nothing else. Scumslip!
I don't buy his security camera claim either. That doesn't sound like a good invention and why would nisani get it? It's just to defelct from his case.
Last but not least this lynch will give us information on dirk and some others who pushed him (including me) and his item claim.
=> ##Vote: Nisani201
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On March 23 2012 23:17 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 19:54 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
Haven't read the thread yet.
I have a lemon.
Nisani's bus on bluelightz was basically a scumclaim
##Vote Nisani201 Lol. What makes you think it was a bus? I've explained everything in the thread. You should read it.
yeah the overwhelmig 3/13 mayority really intimidated you didn't it?
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On March 23 2012 23:26 Nisani201 wrote:
JayJay have you ever considered the possibility that I don't know who the scum members are, and I made an educated guess that it would be more likely to be Dirk than Bluelightz at that situation?
Voting Dirk does not make me scum. Other people were talking about his scumminess in the thread. Your case is stupid.
again, you ignore my point. voting dirk is fine. I agree that he looked /looks scummy in spite of being a mason. His push against you made me like him more, though.
it's your justification why you stuck to your vote which is scummy. You say you'd like to switch, but you don't know if it is viable. You even ask for a Vote count.
This is ridiculous. A brief look on the voting count would have been enough that dirk hadn't even a mayority. He only had 3 voters, one of which was you. No one voted dirk at that time and yet you didn't know if a switch would viable? This is no explanation why you stick to a vote, this is an excuse.
You just didn't look at the voting thread, even though you claimed you did. This in combination with lightz being the GF = scum.
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in addition there's the post where you say you were suspicious of lightz before and try to get towncreds for a two line post ending in "let's still lynch dirk".
there's also your underperforming play and your lack of solid cases and overall content especially in the first two days.
you are scum, bro...
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On March 23 2012 23:53 Nisani201 wrote:
No it's not. It's me posting my two scumreads. You're just rephrasing it to make me look scummy.
For the most part of this game I've generally had a town read on you. But the fact that you're keeping this up even though I've adequately defended myself makes me start to think that you're scum.
But I wont push you today. I still want everyone to look at Ghost's filter and see how much he has been avoiding giving confident reads. He is the best lynch for today. Lynch him.
You didn't adequately defend yourself. You defended yourself for voting dirk which is not the case on you.
I rephrase? Here are the orignial posts: untouched with added vote counts:
On March 22 2012 00:26 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 00:01 Adam4167 wrote:Nisani, when I compare your filter in this game to your filter in NMM1 ( Nisani in NMM1), its like two different people. Nisani in NMM1 is also lurking and has a small filter, but you can see he genuinely cares about the direction the game is heading. He is also supremely confident in his reads. Now comparing that to this game, you seem disinterested, your reads are lacking in confidence, and you seem to be happy just to let things unfold however they do. Can we expect a case that requires some form of actual effort? such as: This CaseYou played well in NMM1, even if you were lynched by town. If that nisani doesn't come back soon, I will happily vote to see you swing. I am off to bed, its 1:30am here. Ill set my alarm so I am here before the lynch to put my vote somewhere meaningful. My play in this game is different for a lot of reasons. Mainly because I'm more active in mini games because the thread is shorter. Also, there's not much to talk about this game-- as I've mentioned earlier, this is pretty much a repeat of Day 1 because it's impossible to draw information from Drazerk's lynch. Recently I've been trying to avoid analyses in big games because most of them suffer from confirmation bias; it's very easy to take anyone's filter and twist what they say to get an analysis (read TL Mafia XLII if you want to see a game where this happened a lot). On Dirk: he's posted his read, which is what I was looking for before, but the analysis seems butchered like I mentioned above and it seems like he picked a random filter and pointed at random flaws in it. I'm going to trust that Palmar revealed himself by accident and it wasn't a trick to get us to pull votes off of him. I'll keep my vote on him for now, but I'd like to see a votecount to see if a switch to Bluelightz is still viable. I would be ok with lynching him instead of Dirk.
again vote count at that time lightz 5 - dirk 3 - ken 2 others 1 1 1 and the last 5 votes were not dirk.
then: 7 hours disappeared
On March 22 2012 07:17 Nisani201 wrote:
Putting my vote on Bluelightz as well. There was much more discussion about Dirk throughout today and I had no idea that Bluelightz had more votes than him.
##Vote: Bluelightz
when vote was decided and hammered with 14 - 2.
he mentions again that he didn't vote him earlier because of the vote count.:
On March 22 2012 22:52 Nisani201 wrote:
Phagga read again. I was suspicious of bluelightz much before I voted him. As I explained earlier, I didn't vote for him before because I thought there were more votes on Dirk.
this post refers to to this post:
On March 21 2012 09:33 Nisani201 wrote:
Kenpachi you are right. Bluelightz does not look town either. And in the past, I've found that chainsawing Sinani has been really useful for finding scum so he goes on my scum list.
I still want to lynch Dirk though.
which is scummy as well. This more looks like a backdoor or something while pushing somebody else.
you also say ghost is scum for being hesitant on lightz. what do you say you were? right the first to vote on 14-2?
also, your filter still does look like the void himself.
was that clear enough? did I fake/change anything? what's your adequate defense to this?
ps: zel: nobody is ignoring sinani, he just has the look of someone looking worse. He's close second though IMO.
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On March 24 2012 00:20 Nisani201 wrote:
I said he was on my scum list. Is that not confident enough for you?
nope. not good enough.
in the contrary: putting all lynch candidates on the scum candidate list while actually pushing/voting someone else is a scum tell to me. It's just a backup.
If you'd actually vote him that would've been a different story. You just saw that he may get lynched and this is your post where you can go back and say I told you so. If lightz survived, no one would have gone back to this post and said "wow, that's a lead, let's follow nisani and push him". Exactly the kind of post scum would do.
This game would be really easy for scum if putting another scum on your scum list, because he may be lynched, gives you enough towncreds to survive bad play and lies like you did.
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